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I went to the Airtext site and looked as well. I could not find the E7187m pump.

However, they did list another one if you search for Jeep CRD parts.

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I went to the Airtext site and looked as well. I could not find the E7187m pump.

However, they did list another one if you search for Jeep CRD parts.



???????????

any listing for Jeep CRD - would be wrong - the only people putting the intank pump in a CRD are LOST readers
The proper listing would be for a Dodge Cummins


it sounds like you can find the 7187 at Autozone
http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?t=41405

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The replacement doesn't look like the original E7181M.
And 15-30 psi!


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I'm down in Texas right now. The other week I and Ranger 1 compared our vehicles side by side as far as the shudder - ie, applying light to medium throttle when already in 4th or 5th gear lockup at low engine rpms.

Ranger1's vehicle had none, while mine shuddered badly. Tested on the same stretch of road under identical conditions.

We have identical mods on our vehicles. Only one difference - he has religiously used ATF+4 fluid, while mine had universal fluid from the Suncoast changeout 15K miles/2 years ago. First year or so after the Suncoast, this beast didn't shudder at all. But in the last few months it has gradually developed and gotten to the point I can replicate it at will.

The tube of Dr Tranny additive made all but a hint of it go away. Ranger1 tried adding it to his CRD and 02 gasser, which had no evidence of shudder and had ATF+4 fluid in them - he saw a noticeable improvement in both vehicles even with the correct fluid.

IMHO, the bottom line fix isn't to add a tube of Dr Tranny, but to swap out your fluid to ATF+4 AND add a tube of Dr Tranny.

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IMHO, the bottom line fix isn't to add a tube of Dr Tranny, but to swap out your fluid to ATF+4 AND add a tube of Dr Tranny.
You're already suppose to use ATF+4 in this transmission.

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Squeeto, that's similar to the intank conversion unit for the '98-'02 VP44'ed 24v Cummins, uses that rubber gasket 'stead of an o-ring - the '03-'04 CRD version is similar, but lower pressure, ~9psi - the '05^ looks exactly like the KJ, but with a pump motor, uses the o-ring - all DCJ gasser (patooie!) fuel pumps are ~68psi pressure for that fuel injection scheme - comparative pics in my thread show the correct Cummins pump module, but with the gasket from the earlier module which I had installed for comparison

Since you found that by referencing the Liberty, that may be the gasser version, and the reduced pressure you're seeing is due to the CP3 bypassing excess fuel to the tank - the Cummins versions do no have those other ports on the cover

I agree on using the spec'ed DCJ ATF+4 in the 545RFE, and adding a tube of the friction enhancer to reduce shudder

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I just lifted the part number from:
gmctd wrote:
Airtex E7187M is in the house

The Cummins lift pump is flow-thru-when-fail, so the CP3 should have pumped sufficient fuel when you pulled the fuse - maybe the fuel filter is dirty - or the fuel manager head is leaking air - air can pass where fuel cannot because fuel is way denser than air


..and the pic from Airtex, cross referenced to the same part number because of:

Biohazard KJ CRD wrote:
I asked Airtex why I couldn't find the E7181M in their catalog, I got this reply:


FROM: danny youngblood/fairfield/airtexproducts 09/18/2008 07:42 AM

Subject: E7181M

We have discontinued this part number.

Danny Youngblood


I probably should have moved this. It is really starting to cross-thread.


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Totally stock 545rfe with stock DCJ TC EXCLUSIVELY on AT+4 Mopar trans oil its wole life.
Total mileage at 69K
And NO shudder - a little goan at lower RPMS at lockup (1650RPM) but I thinks thats U-Joints.
BTW this trans has gone through F37 stuff including a new stock TC/ pump at approx 10K miles.
Overall truck runs like a champ!

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Some other possibilities for tranny fluid:
Mobil 1 ATF
Valvoline MaxLife ATF

Good discussion here:
http://www.dieseltruckresource.com/dev/ ... hp?t=95598


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So far, no one seems to reported Dr. Tranny results with an OEM TC.

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So far, no one seems to reported Dr. Tranny results with an OEM TC.

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I am looking around at the local auto parts stores for some. As soon as I get it I will post the results.

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So far, no one seems to reported Dr. Tranny results with an OEM TC.

DOC


I am looking around at the local auto parts stores for some. As soon as I get it I will post the results.


I think that this is a concentrated version of
http://www.lubegard.com/automotive/trans_atf.html
and is good quick fix. Anyone changing fluids anyway should use the LUBEGARD® ATF PROTECTANT.
It is an easy product to find and recommended (see link in Dr Tranny Instant Shudder Fixx):
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For Best overall performance and long term transmission benefit, use LUBEGARD® ATF Protectant.


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Also keep in mind that even if you are running a lift pump, you will still get a shudder if your fuel filter is clogged. I started running bio-d and my first clue that it was time to change a filter is when the 55-60 shudder came back. I kept driving and 50 miles later, when I restarted it it ran like crap, stopped and threw a ODB low fuel pressure code. Changed the filter, and all was well again. It is like a little warning light of sorts...

Not that that is your guys tranny shudder, but you still can get fuel starvation even with the lift pump (of course).

Other than that, no shudder per say, but it is a bit slow to go into reverse until it warms up (I have changed filters and it has ATF-4, so I am guess valve body is bad?).


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Pablo,

There's a value that is supposed to prevent drainback out of the torque converter after the engine shuts down. It can begin leaking and cause problems, including codes, but short of that just what you're describing. If you let the engine idle a bit longer before putting it in gear, it'll fill the T/C and you shouldn't see the slowness much - or the codes.

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[...]but it is a bit slow to go into reverse until it warms up (I have changed filters and it has ATF-4, so I am guess valve body is bad?).

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IMHO, the bottom line fix isn't to add a tube of Dr Tranny, but to swap out your fluid to ATF+4 AND add a tube of Dr Tranny.
You're already suppose to use ATF+4 in this transmission.


Well, duh - WE know that, but many tranny shops use a universal tranny fluid with an additive so they don't have to bother stocking a dozen different types of fluid.

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retmil46 wrote:
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retmil46 wrote:

IMHO, the bottom line fix isn't to add a tube of Dr Tranny, but to swap out your fluid to ATF+4 AND add a tube of Dr Tranny.
You're already suppose to use ATF+4 in this transmission.


Well, duh - WE know that, but many tranny shops use a universal tranny fluid with an additive so they don't have to bother stocking a dozen different types of fluid.
And so they have repeat customers when using the wrong fluid ruins the transmission :wink: .

You can not pour a bottle of something in a drum of DEXIII(like they do) and call it ATF+4,it's impossible.


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msilbernagel wrote:
Pablo,

There's a value that is supposed to prevent drainback out of the torque converter after the engine shuts down. It can begin leaking and cause problems, including codes, but short of that just what you're describing. If you let the engine idle a bit longer before putting it in gear, it'll fill the T/C and you shouldn't see the slowness much - or the codes.

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[...]but it is a bit slow to go into reverse until it warms up (I have changed filters and it has ATF-4, so I am guess valve body is bad?).


That is pretty much what I do, it is the cheap solution, and I have no problems otherwise.


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Well guys, don't get too excited. Dr. Tranny (which sounds like a well educated transvestite) is not a cure all.

The shudder is better, but not gone. I can still induce it whenever I want to, but it's a LOT less intrusive in daily driving.

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Dr. Tranny ... a well educated transvestite


Hehe. Hope he doesn't do housecalls.

I was looking for parts a few months ago for another car with TC clutch lockup troubles and got into a conversation with a mechanic that was working on a newer dodge truck with tranny...mission TC problems. It has been a while and I don't remember much, but he was starting to think that their troubles were caused by poor signals due to bad cables, grounds or noise.

Just another idea to consider.


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My shudder occured only after hard accelerations (up to speed) followed by low torque maintaining speed. 2nd gear, 3rd gear (lockup at 45 mph - OD OFF), 4th gear and 5th gear. A resonant condition would set up and if conditions were right, could go on for 1/4 of a mile or until I pressed the accelerator more.

The time I got it in second gear (when the torque converter was not locked up) absolutely convinced me that the problem I was having was not transmission related. Another clue was that it occurred 3-5 seconds after the last shift event (trans or t/c) and only after a hard acceleration. (same stretch of road after a soft acceleration = no shudder) A transmission usually doesn't care how it got there, only under what load conditions it is under now. Software, however, it very path dependent.

My fix involved EGR, which I experimented with off-road. (I, for one, am glad that the EPA still lets me emit carbon dioxide and breathe - I can not condone modifications of emissions systems.)

I have not had any known problems with my fuel filter & associated hardware (however my heater is disabled at the relay).

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