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I ran the ORM for a short while, and I was not comfortable with the altered drivability. It's hard to define, but my TDI does similar things with the EGR vacuum hose removed and plugged. It must be something to do with the computer operating in a fault-induced map. The SEGR feels seamless to me, and that's why I am making a version for the TDI.

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I just now, not 5 minutes ago, ordered an assembled SEGR from LocoCRD. Do you suggest I plug my MAF sensor back in while I wait for the install?

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I just now, not 5 minutes ago, ordered an assembled SEGR from LocoCRD. Do you suggest I plug my MAF sensor back in while I wait for the install?
It's up to you, but I like knowing there are no other engine issues, so I kept mine plugged in to keep the CEL from coming on. A few more miles with the EGR operating won't do any harm, just MHO.

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 Post subject: More torque changes your driving.
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Glad I could provide you guys a forum to air out your differences. Ahem. . . :roll:

No, I agree in a sense or else I wouldn't have unplugged the MAF. That and I don't want to replace an EGR.

Can anybody comment on why my transmission would be hanging on to gears longer now? It's not anything crazy like never shifting before 3000 or anything, but it does seem to hang on longer, particularly at part-throttle.



When you change any thing including unplugging the MAF that increases the torque output, you change your driving and the trans control adapts.
Hook up a trailer, your trans will shift later, after you unhook the trailer and resume normal driving it will shift late for a while and work its way back to normal.
Don't worry, the trans control is doing its job.
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Anybody worried about the increased torque having a negative effect on the TC?

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linewarbr wrote:
I just now, not 5 minutes ago, ordered an assembled SEGR from LocoCRD. Do you suggest I plug my MAF sensor back in while I wait for the install?
It's up to you, but I like knowing there are no other engine issues, so I kept mine plugged in to keep the CEL from coming on. A few more miles with the EGR operating won't do any harm, just MHO.


So once I install the SEGR, I plug the MAF sensor back in, or leave it out permanently?

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I just now, not 5 minutes ago, ordered an assembled SEGR from LocoCRD. Do you suggest I plug my MAF sensor back in while I wait for the install?
It's up to you, but I like knowing there are no other engine issues, so I kept mine plugged in to keep the CEL from coming on. A few more miles with the EGR operating won't do any harm, just MHO.


So once I install the SEGR, I plug the MAF sensor back in, or leave it out permanently?
Leave MAF plugged in.

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 Post subject: NOx emissions
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It's been my understanding that EGR was added because in Los Angeles, Denver, and Reno, and other areas with a lot of sunlight and not much rain, NOx was a significant cause of the brown haze that characterized this type of smog, and helped contribute to ozone (I don't know the chemistry behind this). The technique for curing this was worked out in the 1960's for gas engines, and exhaust gas was recirculated to cut the peak burning temperature, which is when NOx is created. However, it took several years and a lot of effort to get EGR so it worked well for gas engines, the early systems were notorious trouble causers that were best deactivated between smog inspections.

Unfortunately, diesels do contribute a fair amount of NOx because they have a higher peak burn temperature than gas engines (one of the reasons for the better fuel economy). And, since the number of diesels that have EGR are small, there has not been the effort put into diesel EGR's that was put into gas EGR systems. As a result, the present EGR systems with their intake of soot cause a lot of trouble in diesels, and from a pollution standpoint, the fouling up of the engine they cause probably negates a lot of the benefit of using EGR. I think Mercedes with the blue tec system has the best solution so far, but there may be better solutions in the future. In the meantime, if you live in an area that gets a fair amount of rain, this washes the NOx out of air pretty well, so if you disable the EGR, you probably are not contributing much to air pollution. In any case, the amount of NOx you are contributing compared to heavy trucks and railway locomotives, which do not have EGR, is very minor.


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linewarbr wrote:
Glad I could provide you guys a forum to air out your differences. Ahem. . . :roll:

No, I agree in a sense or else I wouldn't have unplugged the MAF. That and I don't want to replace an EGR.

Can anybody comment on why my transmission would be hanging on to gears longer now? It's not anything crazy like never shifting before 3000 or anything, but it does seem to hang on longer, particularly at part-throttle.


I know the engine takes longer to warm up with the egr disabled because there is no heat going through the egr cooler. My CRD used to warm in a couple of miles with the egr on in cold weather. Now it takes about 5 miles before the trans is warm enough to hit final gear going down the highway. Be glad you're south not north of me. 8)

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 Post subject: Re: NOx emissions
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It's been my understanding that EGR was added because in Los Angeles, Denver, and Reno, and other areas with a lot of sunlight and not much rain, NOx was a significant cause of the brown haze that characterized this type of smog, and helped contribute to ozone (I don't know the chemistry behind this). The technique for curing this was worked out in the 1960's for gas engines, and exhaust gas was recirculated to cut the peak burning temperature, which is when NOx is created. However, it took several years and a lot of effort to get EGR so it worked well for gas engines, the early systems were notorious trouble causers that were best deactivated between smog inspections.


NOx can theoretically contribute to Ozone production, but only in the presence of high VOCs, which EGR valves, ironically increase by a huge factor. The actual chemistry of O3 production is poorly understood and is contradictory based on the authority publishing the info. What has been firmly established is that it does NOT cause acid rain in areas of high Ozone occurrence. An amusing side note to the problem of Ozone smog in Non Attainment cities, is that the incidence of skin cancer is significantly reduced due to the UV absorbing qualities of Ozone.

The EPA seems to be in complete denial of an unusual phenomenon called the "Weekend effect", because it completely invalidates their NOx policy for the past 30 years.
If you have wondered why it is that smog levels in many American cities have gone up within the past 20 years, in spite of a greater than 50% reduction in total NOx emissions in that time period as a result of EPA regulation, you will find the answer here. http://www.aei.org/publications/pubID.1 ... detail.asp This article references a number of studies by very well respected scientists and Government as well as private organizations. Ironically many of these studies were funded by the CARB and EPA, both of which firmly denounce the findings of some of their own scientists, because the findings are very embarrassing to them.

These findings clearly identify NOx reducing devices and EGR valves in particular, actually raise smog levels. So.. EGR valve = Satan.

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http://www.heartland.org/publications/e ... Worse.html
http://www.nrel.gov/vehiclesandfuels/nf ... tions.html
web.mit.edu/aeroastro/partner/reports/hartman/brunelle-yeung-08.pdf -

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What ever happen to the Montreol Protocol and the depletion of the Ozone lear or what ever happen to the hole.
today a congressman said that we have about 21 years of oxigen Left on Earth and that he or who ever invent a divice that you put in to your nouse and cut the amount of oxigen consumption in half. There you have it. Enjoy the CRD because he said that not enough peaple died and we are the greatest polluter by consumming O2.


REMEMBER YOU HAVE ONLY 21 YEARS. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


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What ever happen to the Montreol Protocol and the depletion of the Ozone lear or what ever happen to the hole.
today a congressman said that we have about 21 years of oxigen Left on Earth and that he or who ever invent a divice that you put in to your nouse and cut the amount of oxigen consumption in half. There you have it. Enjoy the CRD because he said that not enough peaple died and we are the greatest polluter by consumming O2.


REMEMBER YOU HAVE ONLY 21 YEARS. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:


Dupont's Patent on R-12 was going to expire, so they created and funded the panic to have time to create a need for R 134-A.

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Maybe I should take a weekend trip and detune my engine to produce voluminous black smoke, and just spend the weekend circling that congressman's block. Maybe while I'm at it I can find some 500 ppm LSD rather than ULSD for him too. . .

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Denver has brown outs from a lack of air circulation. They live in a bowl. Rain has nothing to do with it.

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Denver has brown outs from a lack of air circulation. They live in a bowl. Rain has nothing to do with it.


telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:

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Denver has brown outs from a lack of air circulation. They live in a bowl. Rain has nothing to do with it.


telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:

When I was a Child, Fairy Tails were Straight Forward Fiction, now they are for the masses to create crisis to bump up pole ratings :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:




Albuquerque is in the same boat. The stuff can't get out unless the wind blows. They have red and blue days for burning fireplace wood too. Can't burn wood unless a storm in brewing, cold or not.

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Denver has brown outs from a lack of air circulation. They live in a bowl. Rain has nothing to do with it.


telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth :idea: :idea: :idea: :idea:

When I was a Child, Fairy Tails were Straight Forward Fiction, now they are for the masses to create crisis to bump up pole ratings :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:




Albuquerque is in the same boat. The stuff can't get out unless the wind blows. They have red and blue days for burning fireplace wood too. Can't burn wood unless a storm in brewing, cold or not.


Ya, its all our fault because the settlers put cities in stupid places like Phoenix, LV, LA, and Albuquerque. So we have to drive cars the put out Exhaust cleaner than what is going in. When some one invents an engine which runs on atmospheric CO2 and other pollutants and puts out pure O2 and N2, the treee huggers will find a new problem to turn into a crisis.
It will never end.

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Yea, their new mission out here might be to save the pine beetle.

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 Post subject: Next they will try to ban the Gravometric Drive Engine.....
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Yea, their new mission out here might be to save the pine beetle.


Because I compared its thrust to a Diesel Engines Torque once in a post to demonstrate forward thinking and Nicole Tesla's brilliance.
I suspect they will try to legislate it out of existence since the Ionic Propulsion Engine Producers and users who will think the GDP engine can cause hallucinations due to potential gravimetric distortion in people with metal body piercings around the head that exceed 500 grams in mass. They will also try to surpress the evidence of the AMA that shows that IPD engine exhaust causes Asthma attacks and GDP engines produce no exhaust or resulting asthma attacks.
Yup, they are Pine Bark Beetle Burger munching/Kool Aid drinking idiots :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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