jeep at the stealership one last time

scrambledKJ · **Posted:** Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:09 pm

I had a hard start condition yesterday. it took 10 seconds of cranking to fire the crd up. After lunch it took 20 seconds and went into limp mode. I shut it off, filled up the tank, and turned the key for 30 seconds before it fired up again. It drove great for a half mile till I hit the highway and it shut off at 60 MPH. I got it restarted and limped to a parking lot where it would no longer start. I can hit the prime bulb about 20 times before it gets firm, but still doesn't start.

After calling AAA and my wife to pick up the 2 kids, I held the key for over 45 seconds before it caught. I figured the starter would eventually overheat...

The dealer tell me that there is a TSB for the fuel filter head causing a shutdown and hard start condition. The parts are not covered under my 7/70 extended warrenty purchased with the jeep.

I love those guys.

On a side note, my fuel guage randomly goes where it wants to. Some times it says "E" when its full and such. they assure me that there is a sensor to monitor the fuel sender system and that the sensor says everything is okay. I gotta get new glasses...

i am glad that they are spending my bailout money wisely.

Go Team!!!

Travis

linewarbr · **Posted:** Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:28 pm

Time for a lift pump. . . exccept you're parting it out right?

I read your post in the Jeep Part/ For Sale section

bugnout · **Posted:** Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:33 pm

scrambledKJ wrote:

The dealer tell me that there is a TSB for the fuel filter head causing a shutdown and hard start condition. The parts are not covered under my 7/70 extended warrenty purchased with the jeep.

Pull the fuel heater connector off the fuel head and check it. It probably will show signs of overheating. Show that to the dealer and I'll bet they replace it. Its a fire hazard. I would mention NTSB in the conversation.

tonycrd · **Posted:** Tue Jun 09, 2009 5:46 pm

linewarbr wrote:

Time for a lift pump. . . exccept you're parting it out right?

I read your post in the Jeep Part/ For Sale section

Noooooo!!! :shock:

linewarbr · **Posted:** Wed Jun 10, 2009 11:20 am

tonycrd wrote:

linewarbr wrote:

Time for a lift pump. . . exccept you're parting it out right?

I read your post in the Jeep Part/ For Sale section

Noooooo!!! :shock:

Lol, no, I think he's wanting to trade it in and is returning it to stock form, so he's wanting to lose the guages, the exhaust, the Moab's. . . all the goodies.

scrambledKJ · **Posted:** Wed Jun 10, 2009 4:40 pm

They finally got the new fuel head, filter, and harness in today. It still wont fire. OOPS. There goes 425 bucks not under my extended warrenty.

YAY!

BlackLibertyCRD · **Posted:** Thu Jun 11, 2009 11:54 am

Don't you just love it how the stealership don't know what they are doing. :roll:

scrambledKJ · **Posted:** Thu Jun 11, 2009 4:35 pm

"We are going through the chrysler diagnostic book one step at a time."

Which means...

'The fuel head wasn't bad, but we replaced it as per page 1. page 2 says purge the air and check for pressure on the fuel rail. Find no pressure and replace the injection pump.'

The closest $2500 pump is in Michigan. 3 to 5 days.

"Parts might be able to overnight it"

I drove there in my 1980 cj7 runnin on propane.

AMC!!!!

Travis

moto-scoot · **Posted:** Thu Jun 11, 2009 6:08 pm

scrambledKJ wrote:

"We are going through the chrysler diagnostic book one step at a time."

Which means...

'The fuel head wasn't bad, but we replaced it as per page 1. page 2 says purge the air and check for pressure on the fuel rail. Find no pressure and replace the injection pump.'

The closest $2500 pump is in Michigan. 3 to 5 days.

"Parts might be able to overnight it"

I drove there in my 1980 cj7 runnin on propane.

AMC!!!!

Travis

sent you a PM

scrambledKJ · **Posted:** Fri Jun 12, 2009 5:30 pm

if I post this stuff, I don't want to beat my dealer to a pulp.

The injection pump got overnighted and showed up at 10am.

At 2pm the tech still wasn't done installing the pump. The service guy said it was 4 to 5 hours to swap the pumps. I didn't even ask why the tech hadn't removed the old pump already.

They just called at 5:30 to say it will be finished on monday. I asked if the tech started at 10 when the parts came it. "I guess not" was the reply.

I wonder if they have figured out why they went bankrupt.

Travis

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:06 pm

scrambledKJ wrote:

if I post this stuff, I don't want to beat my dealer to a pulp.
I wonder if they have figured out why they went bankrupt.

Travis

As I understand it the techs got a 45 minute video training on our CRD's :shock:

Remember our CRD's were just a marketing experiment :roll:

scrambledKJ · **Posted:** Wed Jun 17, 2009 7:49 am

They must not have watched the entire video.

Friday, they strted to replace the injection pump. Monday the got the new pump installed, yesterday around lunch they put the motor back together.

It still is hard to start and runs for 5 minutes before it loses power.

That is what it was doing before the new filter head and pump.

Now, its the #4 injector spraying too much fuel, but into the return line?!?

They are overnighting another injector.

9 days and we are still just grasping at straws and replacing everything we can think of.

GO TEAM!!

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Wed Jun 17, 2009 8:13 am

I've never understood exactly how that return line works on a old style mechanical injectors even having a bunch of them apart but It could be happening. At least they got off the expensive parts. Do they know there's a value printed on the injectors that needs put into the ECM?

Joe

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Wed Jun 17, 2009 11:48 am

Joe Romas wrote:

I've never understood exactly how that return line works on a old style mechanical injectors even having a bunch of them apart but It could be happening. At least they got off the expensive parts. Do they know there's a value printed on the injectors that needs put into the ECM?

Joe

To lubricate the moving parts, there needs to be some clearance so some of the diesel goes through and lubricates, with clearance there is some leakage that has to go somewhere, hence the return line. A cheap trick that works.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Wed Jun 17, 2009 3:03 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

Joe Romas wrote:

I've never understood exactly how that return line works on a old style mechanical injectors even having a bunch of them apart but It could be happening. At least they got off the expensive parts. Do they know there's a value printed on the injectors that needs put into the ECM?

Joe

To lubricate the moving parts, there needs to be some clearance so some of the diesel goes through and lubricates, with clearance there is some leakage that has to go somewhere, hence the return line. A cheap trick that works.

thanks for the explanation :lol:

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