So by that same logic there should be no more products developed for the 2.8 Million XJs on the road since they haven't been sold for 8 years?

And since the KJ hasn't been sold in 2+ years NOTHING else should be developed for it?

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"Its not about what you can DO with your Jeep, its about where you can GO with your Jeep."
Knowledgeable - But Caustic

I really don't see a huge flame war going on...mostly just some great questions.

I have to applaud Green for coming thru with another product for the orphan CRD...

Keep it informative so we might gain something

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Founder of L.O.S.T.
2006 CRD Sport
Mods: GDE Hot Tune w/ 364#@2000rpm/Air Box /3" Str8 Exhaust/ASFIR Alum Skids/245-75R-16 Cooper STT PRO/OME LIFT w/Clevis & 4 Spring Isos/AirTabs/Rigid 10" S2 LED/4xGuard Ctr Matrix Bumper
Drag Strip:Reac=.1078_60ft=2.224_1/8=10.39@64.8mph_1/4+16.46@80.8mph

If we have the SEGR installed would there be different programming involved?
And 200 bucks off the price.

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Bub
06 Inop Edition CRD Silver
06 Inop Edition CRD Green

I remember when I got a ECU programmed back in the day (Jim Wolf I think) in my 1995 200SX SE-R and it was the same price $550.00. So adjusted for inflation 14yrs later, the asking price is actually pretty cheap. I know the systems are more complex than my Nissan as well.

I am very interested.

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2006 CRD http://www.UtahPowderCoatings.com/ http://www.gorecon.com/ I'm kind of a big deal.
RL rear bumper, ARB front bumper, Mile Marker winch, Power Tank, Skids by Mopar & Skid Row, RL Super Skink Sliders, 235/85R16 MTR, Air Flow Snorkel, DTT, 4.10 gears, Frankenlift II, Katskin leather, JL Audio stereo, Rosen video.

I have a question for the Green Diesel peeps...

1. Is there any plan in the event that a dealer flashes the ECU back to factory specs without asking? (had this happen in a car back in the day... laaaaaaame)

Would you guys re-do for free or would the customer be responsible?

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Former CRD owner... now I just sit around and stare at the wall.

Looks interesting. You have my attention

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2005 CRD "Ol' Blue"
Red Ryder carbine-action, two hundred shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time.
My build page- RL Komodo Rear and TJM Front Bumper, armored, lifted, JBA Steel D30, 4.10s and ARB air lockers.

Not much use to people overseas, I'd be without my ECU for weeks. There are thousands of Liberty CRDs and Wrangler CRDs (same VM engine) here in Australia. Might be worth your time & $ to find a local agent.

15 years ago, a tuner have to weld the Eeprom with a hot air gun....time, skill and knowhow =550$ ok

Now with an obd2 Flasher it's take 2minutes to reflash, and it's same tuned file for evryone.....

I am very, very curious about something:

Why do you only offer service for the 2005 and 2006 Jeep Liberty CRD? You have picked an extremely small demographic for your work. I don't know if we have any real solid numbers on how many were made and sold, but I think an estimate we can agree on is about 25,000 vehicles in the U.S. and Canada for 2005 and 2006 model years.

Let's say you get access to 5,000 of those ECU's. (20%, a VERY optimistic estimate) After that, what then?

Seems like a strange target for a startup company. Either you are a certified KJ CRD nut, (which means you would already be on this forum somewhere) or else you obtained some statistics from a Gallup poll that showed that Jeep Liberty CRD owners spend WAAAAAAYYYY too much disposable income on their whips. . .

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In this war of lines, so many have been crossed. Where will it all stop?

2006 Deep Beryl Green CRD Sport *SOLD 1/22/12*
Provent, V6 Airbox, Fumoto, Samcos, GDE ECO & TCM Tune, Euro JK TC, Magnaflow Catback
245/70/16 Destination A/T's
Boiler's Radiator Skid Plate
Jeepin' By Al 2.5 inch Adjust-A-Strut Lift, JBA Gen 4.5 UCA's (6/5/10)

I interpret this to mean you still have to unplug the MAF to disable your EGR, only it won't trigger the CEL anymore. Right?

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05CRD: GDE Hot ECU & TCM tunes, Provent, Cat filter, Facet lift pump, TransGo kit, Florida TC, Samcos, stainless brake lines, HDS thermostat, Renegade light bar,
RL super sliders, Bilstein adjustables, Al's Gen 4.5 Arms, 235/85-16 Duratracs, DTT rear, Elocker front, EVIC+TPMS, Turbo timer, McNally pillar gauges, Weeks Stage II kit.

Hopefully you guys didn't scare them away. I'm interested in some of the answers to a lot of your questions.

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Ryan
2006 Ford F-250 PSD CC FX4
**GONE**
2005 Jeep Liberty CRD
SAMCO Hoses//GDE Tune//PML Trans Pan//TransGo HD Shift Kit//MBRP Exhaust

1986 2R Mustang SVO

OK OK,

<pulling on flame proof shorts>

Ya know, I saw this same type of flaming about a product in another board. (remains nameless) And, guess what? after about 3 months of ragging on them, the 2-3 TOP suppliers SELL the product that was flamed on the thread!

I have a couple questions. First my experience background.

I have a "late build" 2006 that is BONE STOCK. When I can get it away from my wife, I drive it like I stole it. It has 50K miles WITH NO PROBLEMS! I haven't had the blower motor recall done because I don't trust the stealerships.

My wife swears she gets 30ish mpg on the highway and 26 in the city. When I drive it, the little "instant" and "average" mileage computer says 21-24 Maybe I just drive it hard? (YUP) Lately when I get in the computer has only been saying 18-19 mpg.

Now my questions:

I have been looking for a tune that I can actually adjust from "economy" to "performance". Does your product do this?

Have you done any testing on the RWHP? I don't care how much HP the mill makes at the flywheel if the tranny can't take-it or deliver it. That is why I am afraid/concerned with the inmotion tune. I don't want to replace the tranny if I don't have to on her Jeep.

I also use bio-d and WVO. How does your product address this fuel "additive."

Is this company involved with VO Controls? If so, will you bundle it with your other product(s) Ray?

IF I put a lift pump in the fuel tank, does this in any way conflict with your tune?

What about larger tire size? can you correct for tire size?



I guess I am looking for a Bully Dog or Hypermax type box that works on my CRD?


I am a CRD convert. (nut) I am considering buying another one to use as my daily driver and ..... toy.


I also have been waiting for a tune that works within the shortcomings of the OEM parts.

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2006 4X4 CRD Limited Dark Khaki Build Date 03/06 - Her daily driver

Yes I'm old enough to know better

I am going to go out on a limb and say it's because it's a US company that has access to US vehicles which means 2005 and 2006 CRD. That question reminds me of my time at JL Audio when we would occasionally get questions from European distributors on why we didn't make a Stealthbox for ____ European vehicle. We would always say, ship whatever vehicle you want us to work on to us and we'll make you a product.

You need the vehicle so you can work on it and test it.

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2006 CRD http://www.UtahPowderCoatings.com/ http://www.gorecon.com/ I'm kind of a big deal.
RL rear bumper, ARB front bumper, Mile Marker winch, Power Tank, Skids by Mopar & Skid Row, RL Super Skink Sliders, 235/85R16 MTR, Air Flow Snorkel, DTT, 4.10 gears, Frankenlift II, Katskin leather, JL Audio stereo, Rosen video.

True dat, but I was thinking more along the lines of, "Why don't you offer tuning for other U.S. vehicles BESIDES the KJ CRD. It seems that most established aftermarket companies treat our vehicles just like Darby said - orphans, an afterthought. Here is someone that comes along and offers tuning, and all they do is NAFTA KJ CRD's. It's very. . . different.

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In this war of lines, so many have been crossed. Where will it all stop?

2006 Deep Beryl Green CRD Sport *SOLD 1/22/12*
Provent, V6 Airbox, Fumoto, Samcos, GDE ECO & TCM Tune, Euro JK TC, Magnaflow Catback
245/70/16 Destination A/T's
Boiler's Radiator Skid Plate
Jeepin' By Al 2.5 inch Adjust-A-Strut Lift, JBA Gen 4.5 UCA's (6/5/10)

Cat, I interpret it as meaning the upper\lower alarm limits have been changed, so the system works with the MAF

Also, maybe their current expertise is only KJ CRD related, indicating specific KJ CRD R&D - doesn't seem a bad thing for KJ CRD owners, who usually only get trickle-down from other vendors................

GDE, how 'bout a special lostkj discount for the first 5 or 10 comers, intended to get the product into the forum arena? (Count me out - my economy is controlled by my right foot, and it never listens to me, anyway!!)

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'05 CRD Limited
Pricol EGT, Boost
GDE Hot '11; EDGE Trail switched
SEGR; Provent; Magnaflow;
Suncoast T\C, Transgo Tow'n'Go switch;
Cummins LP module, Fleetguard filter, Filterminder
2.5" Daystar f, OME r; Ranchos; K80767's, Al's lifted uppers
Rubicons, 2.55 Goodyears
Four in a row really makes it go

I also think a high percentage of the CRD nuts on this board already have tunes. A special "upgrade" price for those folks would probably bring in a lot of dollars which would otherwise stay in their owners' pockets for other CRD toys...

- Chris

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Used to own:
2006 CRD Sport
Suncoast TC, Transgo shift kit, Inmotion, ORM, EHM, Magnaflow SS exhaust, Fumoto valve, EVIC added, Hensley TruControl brake controller, Pirelli Scorpion ATR LR-D in spring/summer/fall, FIA winter front and Blizzaks in winter

Where are the happy users?
Please, this sounds interesting.
I know there will not be any unhappy people who while the foot was stuck to the floor did not blame anyone else for that blown turbo or speeding ticket.
Just took the Diesel weasel back from the daughter for new brakes and rotors. Time for some boating.
About time to get rid of that CEL, but $550 is a bit steep....more fuel mileage would be nice too, yes I checked the site.

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'06 Jeep Liberty Sport CRD with: GDE Hot Flash and Tranny Flash, ehm, Cummins fuel pump, 3" Magnaflow muff, Moog K3199's, Skids, 225-75-16 10 ply, OME springs, Euro T/C, Shift kit, Trans cooler w/thermal bypass, Bigboy bkt, Samco CAC, Brake controller, Trans temp gauge, Al's Upper Arms

And what about towing benefits and the fact that some of us have heavily modified and lifted and added a lot of extra weight to our KJ's etc etc

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2016 JKU RUBICON

other mods coming soon...

I'll be interested to see what happens, as I've been considering InMotion for a while now.

My three big concerns:
1) Claimed vs. actual fuel mileage gain
2) Need to replace TC with Suncoast (which is way too expensive for someone looking to save just a few mpg)... GDE claims you won't have to.
3) How well their tuning really does replace the EGR.

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2006 Jeep Liberty CRD, Limited
GDE Eco Tune, GDE TCM Tune, Bauer 203* Tstat, Amsoil EaA 201 Filter, Clean MAP, Samco CAC Hoses, Magnaflow Muffler #12226.
New Mopar Fuel Filter, K&N Filterminder, Fumoto Oil Drain Valve
225/75R16 Hankook Dynapros

Sorry for getting back with the forum so late, we have been compiling the questions in order to address everything possible. The website will be update in the coming days with more detailed information on fuel economy, i.e. gains in city driving, 60 mph circuit, 70 mph circuit, 75mph circuit, AC impact, tire impact and so forth. The largest gains we have seen so far are in city driving and the gains vary based on driving style. So on the the questions:

Why are we two years late to the market? We have driven around 40,000 miles developing the tune in altitudes from sea level to 12,000 feet, and climates from -15 F to 115 F. It has taken many hours to fine tune all the parameters to get the most out of this engine, while still keeping the noise similar to the production, it is actually quieter in some regions.

Is a custom tune available? Yes, we can arrange to provide specified power levels, change idle speeds based on gear position, i.e. park, drive and 4low operation and so forth.

A programmer box to ship to customers? We do not have a tool for tihs activity, our only method now is through shipping ECUs.

Will it work with SEGR? Yes, however if the EGR is completely blocked you will not have proper control of the turbo to prevent surging. Surging causes low cycle fatigue failures of the compressor wheel, not a good thing. We understand the concept of SEGR and its benefits, but hardware changes can have detrimental affects to other systems on the engine.

Will we re-flash an ECU that is updated by dealer? Yes, the customer can just ship it back to us for a free re-flash. We would actually recommend going to the dealer to get the latest software flash prior to purchasing the GDE tune as the dealer would never have a reason to re-flash the ECU after that. The tune keeps the part number in the ECU and if it is already the latest, the dealer tools will not let them update it.

Does the MAF still need to be disconnected? No, the ECU tune is designed to work with the engine wiring in stock configuration.

Economy vs. Performance tune? The tune is optimized for the lowest BSFC (brake specific fuel consumption) at every operating rpm and load. Your fuel economy is solely based on how throttle happy you are. Easy on the pedel and the FE will increase substantially.

Bio diesel? We may do a specific tune for various BIO blends depending in the interest.

Towing? The towing capbility is increased and we modified the active surge dampers to lessen driveline clunk on tip in and tip out of the accelerator pedal. This makes trailer towing more manageable.

Thanks for the questions, GDE

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