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Is that 1/2 off the advertised $550 price, or 1/2 off the original price? (since the $550 was supposed to be 25% off already)


I just called and placed my order with Keith from Green Diesel. Their introductory offer is 50% off of the $550 on their website, so I paid $275 for this tune - well worth it to try it out.

I will pull my ECU on Saturday 6/20 and overnight it to them. After I receive it back and re-install, I will start a new thread and post my seat-of-the-pants reaction, then follow it up with a mpg report after I take a 450 mile trip 6/27 - 6/28.

By the way. . . I have an assembled SEGR kit that I will sell to someone CHEAP since I won't need it anymore. . . . PM me if interested

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was just about to order it and i think i will wait for the feedback. I don't want to get a suncoast right now. So if i hear of slippage i will wait to order

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Wow. I don't pay attention for just a couple of days and we're up to four pages...

If anyone in the world could market a 1000 horsepower 100 mile per gallon vehicle, they would. It’s all a trade off. I’ve been driving versions of this calibration for a couple of months now, as a 2nd party guinea pig. Here’s what I see, good and not…

Benefits:
Fuel economy: Your results WILL vary. I’m driving half the distance I did daily last year (off road only). Logically, short trips hurt fuel economy. But I’ve gone from 21.1 to 23.5 mpg, an 11% improvement when I expected worse. I could get higher mileage if I drove more, but I only filled up once in the month of May.

Torque: The F37 torque is back, plus a lot more. Have a hankering for the smell of burning rubber again? It takes two feet and a will, but it can be done. Your butt will feel the difference.

Tailpipe smoke: Gone. Haven’t seen any. Big smiles – very happy.

Shudder: I had a ‘driveline’ shudder after a hard acceleration then backing off to maintain a steady speed. About three seconds later the bucking would start. I could get it in 1st, 3rd, and 4th gears. It wasn’t the torque converter, transmission, axle or drive shaft. It was the engine. That shudder is now gone. If I feel nostalgic, I can switch back to the old code and it comes back like turning on a light switch.

Intake manifold crud: Complete elimination of EGR means the blowby oil (for non EHM or Provent or other filtering solutions) doesn’t coke in the intake any more. My MAP sensor gets oily, but that doesn’t build up.

Risks:
Fuel economy: Machiavelli wrote that power corrupts. He was wrong, it is torque that corrupts. If you drive it like you stole it, you might smile more, but you’ll fill up more also. Maybe if I had ‘evaluated’ top end performance less my fuel economy (see benefits) would have been better. I admit I've had a bit of fun lately.

Torque: By now most of us have a pretty good idea that the original torque converter wasn’t really up to the task. That's why it was recalled. The post F37 torque converter is better for durability, worse for NVH. Is it up to the task of this additional torque? So far yes, I'm not slipping, but some sort of upgrade is quickly percolating to the top of my list as a preventative measure. Those who have already upgraded their torque converters can disregard this as a risk. The rest of the driveline (including the transmission) should be OK.

Tailpipe smoke: This is not a highway legal solution. CO2 goes down, PM goes down, NOx goes up. No way around that one. Those who have already abandoned EPA legality can disregard this as a risk.

Engine durability: Higher torque means higher stress on engine components. But when you bought your KJ, whether you knew it or not, you bought an engine calibration that had been tested to work under most imaginable conditions for the life of the vehicle. This calibration came from the same source, with the same attention to details, and access to software and diagnostic tools. When I was asked to try it out, I didn’t give it a second thought.

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NVH: It has a little more diesel ‘bark’ in it taking off from a stop, some will not like that, some will smile more. It’s not like driving a jackhammer in my old 2001 Cummins HO, but you will turn more heads in a parking lot. At speed it’s the same as today.

Overall, some nice benefits not available anywhere else, some manageable risks, just like anything else in life.

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Has the stock TC indeed been proven to be inadequate to handle the increased power of a tune? Who has had a TC failure which was definetly atributible to an increase in HP/torque?


ME. I killed mine with a Predator box in a week. I could hear it slipping a little more each day. It's very easy to repeat. Just hit some on-ramps and give it about 1/4 throttle all the way up. When it locks @50 mph you can hear and feel the torque converter slipping bad. It won't slip at higher rpm's. It also won't slip without the Predator box. Just my observation with mine.


Did you hasve the pre or post F37 TC die

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I called and am signed up to get this tune, I'm going to try and get mine sent out this week. I have 235x85 AT tires and a lift. Right now, just based off EVIC, I'm doing 18-19.5 around town (real short hilly commute) and 25-26 on the highway usually cruising 75, and a little more at 70. MPH base off actual spedometer.

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Welp... I just got off the phone with Keith... I'm gonna give it a whirl.... sounds promising.

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OK guys and gals...remember the phrase "Buyers Beware". This vendor puts up a website with sparse contact info...then adds info based on people's questions...out of nowhere happens to do a Jeep Liberty CRD Tune only...suddenly runs a huge discount...ect.

They should have posted this in the Vendor Section first of all...

L.O.S.T. can not and will not be responsible for any economic or mechanical loss due to purchasing from this or any "vendor". This is going to be moved to the corect forum and members can heed the warnings or go ahead with the purchase.

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True, for all we know, he could be that bumper guy.

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True, for all we know, he could be that bumper guy.


Who/ what is the bumper guy?

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First of all, we appologize for initiating the topic in the wrong forum. This was never our intention to cause any controversy, just bring out a new product for the consumers. Any future post will be directed to a new thread in the vendor section.

We also wanted to let potential customers know that our discount has ended due to filling the quota. It is our hope that the early adopters will provided confirmatory testing that will put everyone else at ease. Thanks, GDE

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I had the pre F-37 converter. They are the same converter anyway. They just derate the engine and install a new converter.
I can get it to slip pre and post F-37.

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I had the pre F-37 converter. They are the same converter anyway. They just derate the engine and install a new converter.


I believe the F37 TC's are different then the pre f-37 ones. The bad ones were used up to Nov 05 production and had some cushion thing that was shattering. They supposably went back to a older design without the cushion feature.
Further on the F37 satisfaction bulliten all pre Nov 05 crd's got replacement TC's along with the flash. Post November 05 units got the flash only.

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I have a question for them or anyone that gets this done: Can anything be done about the off idle hesitation? My Cummins doesn't have this, nor does my VW TDI. The CRD, wait 2 seconds before it goes. And yes I have the in-tank lift pump mod.


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Mine had that dangerous feature till I installed the Cummins pump :shock: If not it would have been gone long ago before it got me killed :lol:

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I had the pre F-37 converter. They are the same converter anyway. They just derate the engine and install a new converter.
I can get it to slip pre and post F-37.


Technically the pre and post F37 converters are different. The pre F37 had what is known as a turbine damper. All the mass of the torque converter turbine is included in the damper sprung mass, theoretically it's better for NVH. It worked for a Hemi, therefore it's good for a CRD right? Luckily for me, mine died on the way to the stealership for my F37 appointment. The post F37 went back to a standard type damper, hence my comment earlier about it being better for durability, worse for NVH.

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They should have posted this in the Vendor Section first of all...


No disrespect meant Darby, but if you want visibility you post here. I, for one, didn't know where to find the Vendor section.

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True, for all we know, he could be that bumper guy.


I don't know who the 'bumper guy' is either, but this cal IS the real deal.

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They should have posted this in the Vendor Section first of all...


No disrespect meant Darby, but if you want visibility you post here. I, for one, didn't know where to find the Vendor section.


x2. With the way the forums are setup we have "forum dilution." With so many different sections to subdivide stuff up when something is put in the exact place it belongs it gets much less exposure then if it was just thrown in with everything else.

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What does NVH stand for? :oops:

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If you're a two-footed driver, Tim, try using the right foot for both accel and braking - my KJ is very sensitive to simultaneous brake\accel function - never a CEL, but always with the dead pedal on take-off or just after take-off

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What does NVH stand for? :oops:


Noise, vibration, and harshness.

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What does NVH stand for? :oops:


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