Cash 4 Clunkers - Destroying Cars Turned In

Guest · **Posted:** Sat Aug 01, 2009 4:03 pm

Removed for kindness :roll:

InCommando · **Posted:** Sat Aug 01, 2009 5:19 pm

Daimler Chrysler was a German company, and KJ's are German, not American, by the accepted definition of using the origin of the company, not the assembly point. That is why Honda & Toy are not American, even the models assembled here. Chrysler under Cerebus was American; Chrysler under FIAT may or may not be depending on where they incorporate their crap. Without double checking the dates, I'm pretty sure that no one who purchased a KJ new helped an American automaker.

The bottom line about the cars being traded in: they belong to the owners, and they can do anything to them they want. I may hate big rims & small rubber, but the owners decide that, not me. If an owner thinks the $4,500 is their best deal or just one they want to take advantage of, that is their decision to make. That is why it is their car.

The 'net is full of these "pristine jag" stories. And like most fish stories, some tiny percentage may even be true.

Guest · **Posted:** Sat Aug 01, 2009 6:43 pm

IC, in this case, it IS our business what the owners do with their cars, because they are wasting OUR money. ThunderbirdJunkie's money. InCommando's money. JeepinJarhead's money. OUR MONEY.

This is the sort of idiocy in our government that must be stopped, period.

Remember when Exxon was allowed to buy old poopooboxes that had not run in years for $700 each to offset environmental fines in California? It's just like this...only worse.

tomsjeep · **Posted:** Sat Aug 01, 2009 10:32 pm

Yeah, but Exxon got a much better deal (at $700 a pop) than the American taxpayer (and their grandchildren) got.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:13 pm

So sad..................................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBilHH5z2A

Guest · **Posted:** Sat Aug 01, 2009 11:51 pm

A video metaphor

For how our automobile industry...will go as long as it can...until the government destroys it.

Wow.

kskj · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 12:27 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

So sad..................................

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qjBilHH5z2A

I thought this was a good thing but man that is hard to watch :cry:

cluelessklewer · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 1:55 am

ThunderbirdJunkie wrote:

IC, in this case, it IS our business what the owners do with their cars, because they are wasting OUR money. ThunderbirdJunkie's money. InCommando's money. JeepinJarhead's money. OUR MONEY.

This is the sort of idiocy in our government that must be stopped, period.

Remember when Exxon was allowed to buy old shitboxes that had not run in years for $700 each to offset environmental fines in California? It's just like this...only worse.

so, so, so true.... its my money the government is wasting and I have NO say so... its a shame to say the least :cry:

DZL_LOU · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 11:37 am

mrpink417 wrote:

There is a $15,000 fine for driving, or removing anything other than the hazardous fluids. If you get caught taking a lug nut off of a CARS car you will get fined, and lose your right to accept this program.

Now this is something that I don't agree with.....basically the dealer will send the car to the junk-yard which they will part out any way and resell the parts.

So, since I'm paying for this program through Uncle Sam....the least Uncle Sam could do is allow us to part out the vehicle(s) at a discount or something......Because don't we all want to re-cycle and be green to save some green?

Fulltimer · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:09 pm

Okay so there would be a run on cheap parts from these CARS. As a result of this you and I would save a bunch of money while an employee at the locale auto parts store looses his job because people are not buying new parts. Meanwhile while at company "X", that makes auto break pads lays off an entire shift because their orders for new brake pads has fallen off.

I want to save a buck as much as the next guy. Maybe more than most of you. Maybe. My wife and I are both retired and on fixed income. Prices goes up but our income doesn't. We took a big hit on the small amount of investments we have. But I can see where this in the long run MIGHT help this whole situation we are in. It took us many years to get into this economic mess and it will take years to get back out. Give time a chance.

I'm not going to argue about this. Some may agree and some may disagree with what I say. That is your privilege. I have said all that I will about this.

Terry

JeepinJarhead03 · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 2:23 pm

DZL_LOU wrote:

mrpink417 wrote:

There is a $15,000 fine for driving, or removing anything other than the hazardous fluids. If you get caught taking a lug nut off of a CARS car you will get fined, and lose your right to accept this program.

Now this is something that I don't agree with.....basically the dealer will send the car to the junk-yard which they will part out any way and resell the parts.

So, since I'm paying for this program through Uncle Sam....the least Uncle Sam could do is allow us to part out the vehicle(s) at a discount or something......Because don't we all want to re-cycle and be green to save some green?

don't think these vehicles are going to junk yards to be parted

Cobalt-60 · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:25 pm

JeepinJarhead03 wrote:

don't think these vehicles are going to junk yards to be parted

True. Quoted from the CARS Final Rules:

Quote:

The CARS program assists consumers who trade in their older, less fuel efficient
vehicles for new, more fuel efficient vehicles. The program is designed to remove these
older, less fuel efficient vehicles from the road, by requiring the trade-in vehicle to be
crushed or shredded. Some consumers were unaware that their trade-in vehicle must be
destroyed as a statutory condition of participating in this program. Because of that
condition, consumers purchasing or leasing a new vehicle under this program should not
expect to receive the full trade-in value of their old vehicle when negotiating with a
dealer.

Which means that used parts for our vehicles are going to become harder to come by, not easier...

JeepinJarhead03 · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 3:30 pm

things like... cheep metal lawn furniture, screen doors, hybrid plastic outdoor furniture should get cheaper due to the increase in recyclable material

but..

that's doubtful too

DZL_LOU · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:13 pm

Cobolt-60 wrote:

JeepinJarhead03 wrote:

don't think these vehicles are going to junk yards to be parted

True. Quoted from the CARS Final Rules:

Quote:

The CARS program assists consumers who trade in their older, less fuel efficient
vehicles for new, more fuel efficient vehicles. The program is designed to remove these
older, less fuel efficient vehicles from the road, by requiring the trade-in vehicle to be
crushed or shredded. Some consumers were unaware that their trade-in vehicle must be
destroyed as a statutory condition of participating in this program. Because of that
condition, consumers purchasing or leasing a new vehicle under this program should not
expect to receive the full trade-in value of their old vehicle when negotiating with a
dealer.

Which means that used parts for our vehicles are going to become harder to come by, not easier...

All I can say is WOW.....not even parted out....straight to the crusher/shredder.....my, my.

InCommando · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:21 pm

I didn't speak to the political aspect as this isn't really a good forum for it.

I was referring to an owner being the one to decide what to do with their car. I am sure that if any of these "classics" were worth much more than $4,500, some salesman or dealer would be offering them $5,000 outside of the program for the vehicle. Just as an example: The trade-in value for a "clean" 60,000 mile '98 Jag V8 is $2,850-$4,875. In today's depressed used car market, I'd say most of the owners are doing better with the $4,500. I looked through 7-8 of those youtube videos, and none of the random ones I viewed showed anything I think you'd get more than $4,500 for on trade-in.

The program is not the owners' faults as it would exist whether they participated in it or not.

Cobalt-60 · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 7:46 pm

InCommando wrote:

The program is not the owners' faults as it would exist whether they participated in it or not.

My only real concern is that there is a potential for a larger number of '02-'07 KJs that will be non-recoverable (crushed/shredded) than would have potentially existed if the CARS program had not been created, and as my '04 gets older it will become increasing difficult to find good condition junk yard parts to keep the vehicle running.

But I guess that is part of the "plan" as well -- requiring the purchase of newly produced OEM or after-market parts as well...

DryBones · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:02 pm

You want to be scared about the CARS program then just watch this and share it with your friends and family. maybe if enough people start to see the ways Big Brother keeps getting into our lives we can wake up and take back our government. I doubt it though.

http://www.eyeblast.tv/public/video.aspx?v=GduzkUQu8z

Guest · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:19 pm

Cobolt-60 wrote:

InCommando wrote:

The program is not the owners' faults as it would exist whether they participated in it or not.

My only real concern is that there is a potential for a larger number of '02-'07 KJs that will be non-recoverable (crushed/shredded) than would have potentially existed if the CARS program had not been created, and as my '04 gets older it will become increasing difficult to find good condition junk yard parts to keep the vehicle running.

But I guess that is part of the "plan" as well -- requiring the purchase of newly produced OEM or after-market parts as well...

Sorry, but junkyard parts do not keep vehicles running. At least not in a proper manner...they just stave off the inevitable replacement of...TA-DA old parts with new

ThunderbirdJunkie is not saddened by lack of junkyard parts, at least not for necessary repair aspects. His problem is ThunderbirdJunkie's and y'all's money being wasted on a completely stupid program that should not have ever been dreamed up in the first place.

Let's waste perfectly good vehicles, rape the land to build new ones, so we can conserve natural resources :roll:

Plus, our money is paying $4500 for that barely running, already knocking 2.5 liter 89 Dakota that's almost rotted in half. WTH is ThunderbirdJunkie doing that for? He bought a perfectly good one 2 years ago for $100!

tumanator · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:34 pm

Oh that grand could have been fixed.....look how long it chugged on until it finally died. This is like someone torturing a puppy

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sun Aug 02, 2009 8:46 pm

The biggest problem is 99% of the vehicles turned in where great vehicles still with many,many years left in them.Sadly the vehicles that need to be off the road,the original intent,will still be on the road since the people that own them can not afford a car payment let alone fix there vehicle that is more dangerous to others then the driver.

Now they just have increased China's economy since now most of the aftermarket parts needed,due to so many vehicles being crushed instead of parted out, will come from China since most are to cheap to buy quality parts made in the USA which cost a few dollars more.

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