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 Post subject: Myth of chevy using converted gas engines for diesel engines
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 12:25 am 
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The 350 diesel engine by GM was "NOT" a converted gas engine. The crankshaft journals were larger to handle the added stress among other differences. The two major issues were the very poor fuel filtration and fuel delivery system employeed by GM. The fuel diluting the engine oil caused internal damage due to lack of lubrication and the filtration mess lead to clogged fuel system components. Hot rodders would kill to get these blocks and use them because they would handle much more torque then the gas engines of the time. Do a little real investigation before listening to hearsay. Don't take my word, look it up.


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 Post subject: Re: Myth of chevy using converted gas engines for diesel eng
PostPosted: Fri Aug 14, 2009 2:54 am 
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The 350 diesel engine by GM was "NOT" a converted gas engine. The crankshaft journals were larger to handle the added stress among other differences. The two major issues were the very poor fuel filtration and fuel delivery system employeed by GM. The fuel diluting the engine oil caused internal damage due to lack of lubrication and the filtration mess lead to clogged fuel system components. Hot rodders would kill to get these blocks and use them because they would handle much more torque then the gas engines of the time. Do a little real investigation before listening to hearsay. Don't take my word, look it up.


Some pretty complete specs can be found here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oldsmobile ... LF9_Diesel I know a couple of people who had the later 84-85 models and got many miles out of them. Of course they found mods to the factory bean counter stupidity, much as we have here on this forum. They put Ford truck water separators on the fuel lines and kept the timing adjusted properly. The lower ends of those old engines were more than adequate for their intended use as long as they weren't turbocharged, and as long as the oil was regularly monitored for fuel contamination.

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LOL, Murphy's Laws of Combat. I haven't heard about those in years.

Incoming fire has the right of way. :P


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 Post subject: Re: Myth of chevy using converted gas engines for diesel eng
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GoodCRD wrote:
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The 350 diesel engine by GM was "NOT" a converted gas engine. The crankshaft journals were larger to handle the added stress among other differences. The two major issues were the very poor fuel filtration and fuel delivery system employeed by GM. The fuel diluting the engine oil caused internal damage due to lack of lubrication and the filtration mess lead to clogged fuel system components. Hot rodders would kill to get these blocks and use them because they would handle much more torque then the gas engines of the time. Do a little real investigation before listening to hearsay. Don't take my word, look it up.


it may not have been a "converted" gas engine - but it clearly was not a clean sheet design - the reason Hot rodders "kill" for these blocks is that you can bolt on a distributor and carb and high compression gas pistons and the block will take it, makes a great race engine.

However that doesn't change the fact that it wasn't a good diesel design -
added to the fact that GM owned Detroit Diesel at the time the only reason they didn't have a good design - was internal politics.

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 Post subject: Re: Myth of chevy using converted gas engines for diesel eng
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GoodCRD wrote:
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The 350 diesel engine by GM was "NOT" a converted gas engine. The crankshaft journals were larger to handle the added stress among other differences. The two major issues were the very poor fuel filtration and fuel delivery system employeed by GM. The fuel diluting the engine oil caused internal damage due to lack of lubrication and the filtration mess lead to clogged fuel system components. Hot rodders would kill to get these blocks and use them because they would handle much more torque then the gas engines of the time. Do a little real investigation before listening to hearsay. Don't take my word, look it up.


it may not have been a "converted" gas engine - but it clearly was not a clean sheet design - the reason Hot rodders "kill" for these blocks is that you can bolt on a distributor and carb and high compression gas pistons and the block will take it, makes a great race engine.

However that doesn't change the fact that it wasn't a good diesel design -
added to the fact that GM owned Detroit Diesel at the time the only reason they didn't have a good design - was internal politics.


And the last I read, before the market dumped, was GM was in control of VM :shock: When our US crd's were built it was 52% Penske group and 48% Detroit that Diamler (sp?) owned at the time :D

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And yet, despite that ownership at the corporate level... If you go and try to find a Detroit Diesel or Penske wrench to touch the block, their answer is "never heard of it, we don't touch anything that small"

So we are orphaned again. First by Mopar and their lack of trained support... And by VM's owners who disavow their product lines. Sad.


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