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I thought you fat fingered it when you said 5,000 PPM :shock:
My Mistake. That is some good stuff.
I noticed that the 500PPM has been giving me better mileage and noticeable performance, especially on the highway when passing.
I have no clue of where to find 5,000 PPM though.

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Yeah I never would have thought that 5000PPM was still available in the US, but it is. The performance improvement is dramatic. Just don't get it on your clothes. Pee-uuuwww.

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Just filled up with some 500ppm. Smells good, smokes good and goes like hell with the added BTU :lol: :lol: :lol:

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nursecosmo wrote:
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So again, will this stuff hurt us long term? EGR has been SEGRed so I'm not worried about that.


No, not if the EGR is disabled. The lubricity is superior and the BTU value is higher (significantly higher, depending which chart you look at).

I will soon have some some MPG figures for the 5000PPM stuff I purchased a few weeks ago.


Any update on MPG? I may start fueling up where the tractors do.

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I have used up all of my HSD (49 gal in the Jeep, 11 in my truck), but won't fill up at a pump until tomorrow or thursday.

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I am not 100% on this but i am fairly sure the "cat/filter/part trap" that we have on our crd's are OXIDATION catalyst converters.

That is, they use Platinum and Palladium to (oxidize) HC's and CO to H2O and CO2.

Other types of converters can be used such as "Reduction Catalyst Converters" witch use Rhodium to turn nox levels down to O and H. but it only works when cyl burns are Stoichiometric (witch aint happening in our crd's) OEM's use dosing (injecting on exhaust stroak or using a injector after turbo before "cat") To get there, again not happening in our crd's.

There are also Nox Adsorbtion (not a typo) Catalysts but those require NAC regen cycles, basically NO oxygen can be in the exhaust (not happening in our crd's) They work pretty well though and drop nox into N2 O2 and H2O These use a pretty interesting selection of base metals to actually "store" NOx's and these are sereiously damage by the presence of SULFUR

So, running LSD or normal D2 is fine for us, but it can produce more "ash" and clog our oxidation converters (i don't have one, it fell off) it can not permanently damage our systems. in comparison to NAC's witch can be permanently damaged with as little as 40 miles on normal d2 and again with as few as 100 miles on LSD.

There are only 3 ways for Sulfur to get into our engiens, intake, oil (burnt) and fuel. If there is sulfur in our oil and it gets combusted off the cyl walls on the power stroke because it was not removed by the oil control ring, it can introduce sulfur in to the exhaust an destroy things .(NAC's) This is the reason why we have new oils (cj-4) and fuels (ulsd)

All of this was to reduce NOx emissions from diesel engiens. The side effect is we get less sulfur oxides in the atmosphere which is Great for us, bad for out IP's.

Some of the fractions of diesel oil that provide lubricity are lost during the process that removes sulfur from our fuel, it is added later as an additive package, it also reduces the CN (Cetane Number) of our fuel, witch measures IGNITION quality, and nothing else. The fractions of diesel oil that control the CN (non addative) are pretty volatile and easily "boil" off during storage due to heat

Why you would get better economy is simply because ulsd has a lower specific gravity which equates to loss in btu in any given volume, but were only talking 2-5 %.


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I am not 100% on this but i am fairly sure the "cat/filter/part trap" that we have on our crd's are OXIDATION catalyst converters.

That is, they use Platinum and Palladium to (oxidize) HC's and CO to H2O and CO2.

Other types of converters can be used such as "Reduction Catalyst Converters" witch use Rhodium to turn nox levels down to O and H. but it only works when cyl burns are Stoichiometric (witch aint happening in our crd's) OEM's use dosing (injecting on exhaust stroak or using a injector after turbo before "cat") To get there, again not happening in our crd's.

There are also Nox Adsorbtion (not a typo) Catalysts but those require NAC regen cycles, basically NO oxygen can be in the exhaust (not happening in our crd's) They work pretty well though and drop nox into N2 O2 and H2O These use a pretty interesting selection of base metals to actually "store" NOx's and these are sereiously damage by the presence of SULFUR

So, running LSD or normal D2 is fine for us, but it can produce more "ash" and clog our oxidation converters (i don't have one, it fell off) it can not permanently damage our systems. in comparison to NAC's witch can be permanently damaged with as little as 40 miles on normal d2 and again with as few as 100 miles on LSD.

There are only 3 ways for Sulfur to get into our engiens, intake, oil (burnt) and fuel. If there is sulfur in our oil and it gets combusted off the cyl walls on the power stroke because it was not removed by the oil control ring, it can introduce sulfur in to the exhaust an destroy things .(NAC's) This is the reason why we have new oils (cj-4) and fuels (ulsd)

All of this was to reduce NOx emissions from diesel engiens. The side effect is we get less sulfur oxides in the atmosphere which is Great for us, bad for out IP's.

Some of the fractions of diesel oil that provide lubricity are lost during the process that removes sulfur from our fuel, it is added later as an additive package, it also reduces the CN (Cetane Number) of our fuel, witch measures IGNITION quality, and nothing else. The fractions of diesel oil that control the CN (non addative) are pretty volatile and easily "boil" off during storage due to heat

Why you would get better economy is simply because ulsd has a lower specific gravity which equates to loss in btu in any given volume, but were only talking 2-5 %.


There are no trapping or filtering functions with out CATs. They are the straight forward oxidation type, with fairly large honeycomb passages.

Reduction Catalyst Converters do not produce O and H from NOx (H2O is however produced by RCCs from unburnt HCs), they form N2 and O2.

Sulfur is not one of the ash producing components in diesel or motor oil. The new formulation low ash oils have had much of the Ca Mo and Zn (the actual ash producing elements) removed in order to protect Cat converters and DPFs. Engine oil has never really had any appreciable amounts of Sulfur in it.

Sulfur in the fuel will NOT clog or "poison" the cat under normal operating conditions because a Diesel's cat reaches such high temps with an abundance of O2, and burns off any sulfur accumulations. The catalyst can be deactivated by prolonged idling with HSD, but is easily restored by a 10 minute hard drive. The extra sulfur will cause the catalyst to reach the end of it's usable life sooner than ULSD, but we are talking >100000 miles.

I have decided that I don't care about the amount of Sulfur coming out of my tail pipe, since more Sulfur is produced in nature by one single volcano, than by all of the trucks in existence.

None of this business about plugging cats with S0x applies to me anyway, since like you my CAT has spilled it's guts.

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So the results are in. My MPG dropped from an average of 27 with normal ULSD to 25.32MPG (odometer corrected). The driving was combined city/Hwy with a significant amount of 4WD use in the heavy rain we have had lately. I'm surprised at the drop in MPG, but it it could be because of the rainy driving and my heavy foot with the more powerful feel in my seat pants.

Edit: It has also been getting cold.

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I think it's due to the 4x4 being engaged. I've filled up 4 times now since discovering the added performance of the 500ppm stuff and noticed an increase in my mileage.
I am far from scientific, but I'll say that I am getting more miles out of a tankful and I drive the same routes every week, combined city/hwy. With a lot of idling, stop and go NJ traffic I have been getting a tad over 23mpg out of a tankful. The 15ppm I was getting in the mid to high 21mpg to 22 if lucky.

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News flash!!! I did not empty my transfer tank fully. I still had 10 gallons left. My actual uncorrected mileage on 5000PPM D2 was 29.3 MPG.

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