Just parted with my CRD

Hjalti · **Posted:** Sat Jan 23, 2010 5:48 pm

Hi there

In the beginning of the new year I lost my Libby in an accident but thankfully no one got injured. After searching for a new 4x4 I ended up with a 2007 Kyron, which may sound interesting to those of you in USA (my previous 4x4 was a Musso from the same producer, Ssangyong). The mileage is very good and it will be interesting to compare it with the Libby. So far I am very satisfied, here are some pics.

Dana 35 front (independent suspension) and 44 rear axle, Borg Warner transfer case (2h, 4h and 4l) and ZF 5 speed tiptronic automatic. Tire size is 275/60 R18 with stock suspension.

2.0 litre diesel common rail Mercedes, 141 hp/310 NM (also available with 5 cyl. 2.7 litre):

Interesting video here of some offroading in Kyrons (world apart): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pbHb5wR5 ... re=channel

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:07 pm

2L diesel?

Diggerfreek · **Posted:** Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:15 pm

Thats a sharp looking ride there

Very nice looking interior!

Hjalti · **Posted:** Sat Jan 23, 2010 6:37 pm

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2L diesel?

Yes, it is a diesel engine, a small displacement for a 2,000 kg. 4x4, but delivers quite good output. Here are specifications for the 2.0 and 2.7 litre versions: http://www.ssangyonggb.co.uk/Pages/Page ... onTechData

mikey1273 · **Posted:** Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:01 am

Nice looking very stylish and modern looking. Sharp looking cabin. Were is that Made, the company name sounds Chineese.

Glend · **Posted:** Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:20 am

Yeah, we get them here is Australia as well, they are Ssangyong (pronounced sang-yongg). Ssangyong is the fourth largest South Korean automobile manufacturer.

Lots of small displacement diesels available (in most of the world) now.

Here is the OZ local distrobutors details on the brand:

http://www.ssangyong.com.au/Kyron-SUV.a ... age_id=171

geordi · **Posted:** Sun Jan 24, 2010 2:32 am

Very nice looking, I'm jealous now of three things in Iceland: Your gorgeous women, geothermal heating, and now the availability of some NICE diesel options that the USA will never get.

mikey1273 · **Posted:** Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:07 am

nice it still can tow 5000 puonds the same as our liberty's are rated for in the USA. And it only a 2.0 litre engine!

Trav1s · **Posted:** Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:24 am

geordi wrote:

Very nice looking, I'm jealous now of three things in Iceland: Your gorgeous women, geothermal heating, and now the availability of some NICE diesel options that the USA will never get.

Don't forget the awesome scenery and skyrr. Oh how I miss skyrr...

Nice ride! I was in Iceland during January, 2008 and loved all of the different vehicles on the road. :mrgreen:

Hjalti · **Posted:** Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:59 am

Thanks guys, I hope it will do its duty. So far the mileage, quietness in the cabin and the spacious boot is what I like the most. Off road I'm sure the Liberty is a better machine. Actually, what puzzles my about the American car market is the lack of fuel efficient diesel cars. This is sth. that has to change and the sale figures of CRDs show that it is what the people want. As Glend pointed out, there is however a wide variety of these cars in most other countries.

danoid · **Posted:** Sun Jan 24, 2010 3:16 pm

Nope. The KJ and WK diesels were sales failures here in the US. Just ask any Chrysler executive. They know Americans really just want Hemis...

mikey1273 · **Posted:** Sun Jan 24, 2010 8:57 pm

Yes that is true most Americans want Hemi's and BIG horsepower like those day gone by before gas prices and lines but we are coming to a place where many of the smarter consumers are looking for other ways to get what they want.

I have wanted an SUV for years but never got one because of fuel economy, I learned of the CRD's and how they got nearly the same as my Outback and could out tow and out wheel the Outback with its eyes closed. Then I found it was in my price range and well here I am.

geordi · **Posted:** Sun Jan 24, 2010 10:16 pm

danoid wrote:

Nope. The KJ and WK diesels were sales failures here in the US. Just ask any Chrysler executive. They know Americans really just want Hemis...

Just like we really want all those V!/\GR/\ ads in our email 20 times each day... Maybe the people who DO want those emails are also the people hoping for the same effect by getting larger and larger engines.

Certainly the case is that what the people want, they are NOT getting in America's cars.

The 4 and 6 cylinder cars of today are putting down similar numbers to the muscle cars (Who really needs a 10-second quarter 0-60 in 7 Caddilac????) yet the overall MPG has gone DOWN instead of up. I remember the 80s, people were demanding more efficient cars, yet my 83 Town Car got ALMOST the same MPG on the highway with a V8 and a 4-speed that the KJ now gets! My 90 Mark VII also got about the same, 28mpg on the highway, tho I did tend to put my foot into it a little more. It was 500 lbs lighter than the Town Car, at 4k even, but the same exact drivetrain and engine. The development in 7 years hadn't gone anywhere, and still hasn't.

Wonder why that is?

How about that in 10 years of development, a smaller, shorter (length) with half the engine SUV weighs MORE than a 97 V8 Grand Cherokee? There is a BIG difference in weight, why? Both have ABS, Both have airbags, Both have 4x4 transfer cases... The ZJ is a body-on-frame, the KJ is a unibody, so the ZJ SHOULD be heavier with all the extra steel. Yet the KJ is 4500 lbs and the ZJ is about 3800? There is no good engineering reason for this.

The marketing droids at Mopar claimed that the CRD was a failure... Yet the dealers sold every single one that they ever got... WITHOUT ANY ADVERTISING! Watch any TV program, and count how many car ads you see. Now count how many were for VW, or for Audi, or for a TDI from either. They sell themselves! The conspiracy theorist in me says there has to be a more sinister reason for not selling these, b/c THEY WILL, AND HAVE, SOLD!

danoid · **Posted:** Sun Jan 24, 2010 11:15 pm

Yup. I just parroted the company line to rile people up...

haulin5 · **Joined:** Tue Sep 29, 2009 2:53 pm **Posts:** 116

I think it's mainly because any massive overhaul to switch off of traditional gasoline powered vehicles would damage the largest (by market cap) American company, Exxon-Mobil. I don't think auto makers are ready to kill an industry that still employs so many people and drives a large part of our economy.

On the other hand, man do I wish I didn't have to fill my tank twice a week. UGH!!

Last year I looked long and hard for some sort of financial evidence to prove that car companies are somehow in cahoots with oil firms, but couldn't find anything publicly available. I think it's simply a case of not wanting to bite the hand that feeds you.

geordi · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 1:29 am

I'd agree with you, except that the "real" (vaporware) competitor to the oil economy is hydrogen. Exxon wouldn't bat an eye if everyone was using diesel instead, that would actually make their refinery businesses (that they of course don't own) :roll:

that much more efficient. It is EASIER to make diesel fuel, it comes out of the cracking column earlier than gasoline does. It's also more economical to create diesel (more yield per barrel than gas) and they can adjust what end product they are shooting for... So cracking for diesel is a simple thing.

Add to that, that transport is really the ONLY sector that needs multiple fuels, everybody else is running diesel or a close variant. I'd think they would be happier than a pig in politics to make diesel for everyone.

Where I think they would start squealing is when people finally figure out that all the fuels are really the same stuff... And that charging a PREMIUM for a less-refined fuel is tantamount to charging $20 per pound for Fillet Mignon and delivering Ground Chuck. Good for the seller, REALLY BAD for the sucke...Consumer.

I'm not surprised you didn't find anything publicly... Don't you recall when the head oil baron (Cheney) was asked to check and see if any collusion was happening in oil? He went into the huddle with his buddies... And came back saying we were all worried about something that didn't exist. The real reason was <RND> that caused it, and OOH, LOOK SHINY OVER THERE!

The amounts of money involved with this are staggering. To think that any of us would REALLY know what is happening at the top levels... Unlikely, unfortunately. And now with the Supreme Court's latest ruling about corporate money influences... The truth is what the highest bidder decides it is, whether they are US citizens or not. Its all about the money now, completely.

danoid · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:52 am

haulin5 wrote:

I think it's mainly because any massive overhaul to switch off of traditional gasoline powered vehicles would damage the largest (by market cap) American company, Exxon-Mobil. I don't think auto makers are ready to kill an industry that still employs so many people and drives a large part of our economy.

On the other hand, man do I wish I didn't have to fill my tank twice a week. UGH!!

Last year I looked long and hard for some sort of financial evidence to prove that car companies are somehow in cahoots with oil firms, but couldn't find anything publicly available. I think it's simply a case of not wanting to bite the hand that feeds you.

I'm not sure I agree at all. The carmakers aren't in cahoots with the oil companies. If they are they're completely insane because the oil companies certainly aren't reciprocating. Take a look, two out of three American car manufacturers have gone bankrupt recently while big oil is rollin in the dough.

No I think the big three's problem is the fact that their management has only been promoting from within the family for so long, they've forgotten what competence is.

rollincoal01 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 6:58 pm

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The ZJ is a body-on-frame, the KJ is a unibody,

Both of those jeeps are unibody's. I have a ZJ that I wheel the crap out of and trust me, it is unibody.
Tommy

nescosmo · **Joined:** Sat Jul 14, 2007 11:17 pm **Posts:** 202

No No No Here money talk do you think that the executive do not want to sell diesel car and trucks that by far they charge more and the oil companys charge more for diesel fuel. is all about money and they want to sell them here but Borrack and the EPA do not let them. they do not care if you pay more , they do not care about you. Look at the las Vegas Ces electronic show. They all want you to buy 3D tv. at a big price and everything else that come with it. So When the goverment stop this green crap maybe we will see an array of diesel vehicles.

geordi · **Posted:** Mon Jan 25, 2010 8:40 pm

#1: Please learn to type, punctuate, and spell. Your post is very difficult to read.

#2: What exactly does an electronics show have to do with the automotive engine options available in the USA, or even with politics or the EPA for that matter?

The EPA and CARB may have issues with the diesel engine, but that is not restricting the manufacturers from building or selling them. Before the restrictions got to this point (like the entire 90's and early 2000's up to 2007) where were the armies of diesel CARS being sold? Was the availability for purchase at 50% like in Europe? Did every car have a diesel engine option that nobody knows about?

If you blame politics for this, that is as valid an assertion as any other. But please offer some evidence or logical argument for it, not a knee-jerk "I don't like this President so he caused my hair to fall out and made birds poop on my clean car" argument.

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