NO LONGER IN THE CRD CLUB Good Luck

Globel User · **Joined:** Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:03 am **Posts:** 45

Good Luck, Don

spoonplugger1 · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2006 12:34 am

That's bull pucky! Mine doesn't do that even with a 2000+ boat on a hill. It's as smooth operating as any other auto/truck/whatever I've ever owned or driven.
Make them fix it, look up your lemon laws in your state and hold them to them.

Globel User · **Joined:** Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:03 am **Posts:** 45

Guest · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2006 8:21 am

Globel User wrote:

The Vehicle on cruise control going up a moderate hill will downshift go to 4,000 rpm up shift to 1,800 -2,000 rpm then repeat every other second.

Thanks for letting me vent, Don

Mine does this, but only in a specific speed range. If I'm in between 51-56mph I get exactly what you stated above. If I'm in final lockup by going to at least 58mph, and then back off to 57mpg using cruise - I can hold in gear at that speed ~ 1650rpm - on ANY slope hill. I can hold 1600rpm on flat roads, but not on hills. I've been labeling it "The Second Overdrive Confusion Problem."

I have made it a point not to engage cruise control at 56mph or below. I think that due to the narrow rpm range of the diesel, our gear shift points have to be close together, but with the two overdrives it is always in a state of instability when deciding which one to be in for 51-56mph. Just complete theory on my part.

I like my CRD too much to have them prod around the electronics and I'll live with my learned way of avoiding the rapid shift. As for the other symptoms you expressed - I have had none of those.

valkraider · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2006 3:02 pm

The problem is the torque convertor, at it occurs between 50 and 60 mph depending on the circumstances.

I have had my CRD in several times, and there is nothing really that they can do about it at this point unless DC decides to reprogram the transmission. In order to do that they will need some pressure....

Normally this is just annoying, so I try not to drive around 55mph. Tough in most rural areas around here in Western Oregon as that is what is about the right speed on a lot of the 2 lane rural roads... (We don't have long straight shots like you in the 4 corners... We drive through there going to Albuquerque.... Cruise control and a bunjee chord on the steering wheel, and I can nap...)

But once I was going skiing and was on mixed condition roads - ice and pavement and snowpack. I had the CRD in SelecTrak FULL-TIME and was going around 50 when the torque convertor decided to freak out like it does. Normally it would not have been a problem, but I was just transitioning from slick to dry pavement, and it caused an instant of wheel spin and kicked me to the side a bit.

Nothing severe - but I could see how if one were in rear wheel drive, or less familiar with winter driving conditions it could cause an accident, or at least a pucker moment...

Now I just make sure to stay away from the 50s in varying road conditions...

spoonyG · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2006 5:01 pm

I too have seen this problem, and I've taken it to the dealer to be looked at.
The problem is a combination of two things. One, I have upgraded the KJ with a larger set of tires. Two, DC has not made any allowances for the transmission programing to accomidate the larger tires. As a result, the torque converter is going into lockup early and at unfortunate speeds like 45-55mph. At other speeds it seems to fish for a gear and cannot remain steady at a slight uphill grade.

If DC were to use different transmission programing more similar some of the the Dodge Trucks with larger tire size combinations, perhaps this would be less of a problem.

Globel User · **Joined:** Sun Jul 10, 2005 1:03 am **Posts:** 45

oldnavy · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2006 6:26 pm

Humm interesting reading, very interesting indead. I have used CC at 45 mph on several ocassions and never had a problem with it in OD, I think some of you guys may have just bought a lemon, some may have done a mod like bigger then stock tires, and one or two of you may just be waco. That said, GU if what you say is true go for Lemon Law and make them buy it back.

The only problem I have with the wife's CRD is it doesn't get the 40 mpg in town like her VW Jetta diesel did, and thus cost almost twice as much to operate. Well I really don't like the log wagon ride in my old age, but would loved it 20 years ago. However it's the wife's ride and if she's happy, I'm happy.

BlackLibertyCRD · **Posted:** Tue Feb 14, 2006 11:04 pm

oldnavy wrote:

Humm interesting reading, very interesting indead. I have used CC at 45 mph on several ocassions and never had a problem with it in OD, I think some of you guys may have just bought a lemon, some may have done a mod like bigger then stock tires, and one or two of you may just be waco. That said, GU if what you say is true go for Lemon Law and make them buy it back.

The only problem I have with the wife's CRD is it doesn't get the 40 mpg in town like her VW Jetta diesel did, and thus cost almost twice as much to operate. Well I really don't like the log wagon ride in my old age, but would loved it 20 years ago. However it's the wife's ride and if she's happy, I'm happy.

You know that if the wife isn't happy, nobody going to be happy. That sure is the way here. :lol:

oldnavy · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:39 am

After rereading the above posting about the speed of GU's use of cruise control I begin to think about it as the wife and I went out for ice cream. Then it dawned on me that about any car will do the shudder thing and hunt for the "right gear" when the CC is set about the speed the TQ locks up. I mean stop and think about it, you set the cruise control within a couple of mph of the point the tranny is suppose tp lock up then throw in some hills and the tranny's TQ is going to unlock when speed drops the 1 to 2 mph, then when the engine picks up RPM's and reach's lockup speed and then speed drops that 1 or 2 mph again to triger unlock.

One has to remember the computer of the CDR is not quite as good as the one between our ears and has to be programmed for the general public not each one of us. So if you want to travel at TQ lockup speed then expect that you will have problems unless you lock out the OD while driving at that speed. I don't think when the lemon board reads the tech responce to your driving habit you will have a leg to stand on because you are the one causing the problem.

Yes to night I was able to to make the wife's CDR do the "hunt for gear" thing, and when I shut off OD I had no more problem. Same thing was true when I picked the speed up a copuple mph, the "problem" went away. My conclusion is self induced problem by owner. So if you want to drive at TQ lock up speed then have enough sense to turn the OD off.

Was out of town the past Saturday with a friend who has complained about his Toyota 4cyl PU dropping 2 gears to from 75 mph to get over the one hill we were about to go up and was amazed that the CRD never slowed or picked up speed going up this long steep hill. He is now thinking about a CRD.

Guest · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 8:46 am

Looks like the title of this topic changed and the author must have taken a bath on trading in their CRD. Too bad considering all manufacturers have problems. I dumped a new Honda to get into my CRD and am very happy to have made the switch.

Freedom of information when it comes to problems in the foreign car markers is very hard to come by, but they have just as many problems as the rest of us. My transmission in the Honda would slip all the time in cold weather and I was told it was normal :roll:

Good luck with your hunt for the perfect vehicle...

RTStabler51 · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 9:07 am

oldnavy wrote:

I shut off OD I had no more problem.

this was my first thought when I read his post. If the motor / vehicle is slowing down up a hill, on all my vehicles, Lightning included, I pop them out of O/D.

naturist · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 10:06 am

Funny, but if you look in the owners' manual, it says right there in black and white that under certain circumstances of speed and load, the tranny will hunt for the right gear, and the solution is to lock out OD.

(Yeah, I'm one of those wackos who actually READS the owners' manual when I get a new vehicle.)

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 11:22 am

Problem is, locking out overdrive (which causes you to turn almost 3K RPM on the highway) is not an acceptable option, especially with a diesel engine. It's stupid logic. You have two choices...run the dog crap out of your engine, or put up with the tranny hunting like mad? Geez..that sucks. If my CRD was still acting that way pretty bad, and the dealership told me those were my two options...I'd tell them to keep the Jeep.

I'll bet that for 2006 the shifting will be fixed and hopefully those software updates can be applied to the 2005s also later on.

spoonyG · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:13 pm

I've got a great idea to resolve the issue for 2007....... Manual Transmission

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:24 pm

spoonyG wrote:

I've got a great idea to resolve the issue for 2007....... Manual Transmission

EXACTLY. Problem solved.

Probably half of the people who bought CRDs so far would kill to have the 6-speed manual. I know I'd prefer it. Wake up Jeep!

RTStabler51 · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:42 pm

LibertyCRD wrote:

spoonyG wrote:

I've got a great idea to resolve the issue for 2007....... Manual Transmission

EXACTLY. Problem solved.

Probably half of the people who bought CRDs so far would kill to have the 6-speed manual. I know I'd prefer it. Wake up Jeep!

Not me! Well, I'l rephrase that. If I lived outside of a place with terrible traffic, probably, but since traffic sucks around here (3rd worst in the country) I'll take the automatic and deal with the o/d lock out...

oldnavy · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:49 pm

LibertyCRD wrote:

Problem is, locking out overdrive (which causes you to turn almost 3K RPM on the highway) is not an acceptable option, especially with a diesel engine. It's stupid logic. You have two choices...run the dog crap out of your engine, or put up with the tranny hunting like mad? Geez..that sucks. If my CRD was still acting that way pretty bad, and the dealership told me those were my two options...I'd tell them to keep the Jeep.

I'll bet that for 2006 the shifting will be fixed and hopefully those software updates can be applied to the 2005s also later on.

Mine didn't pull 3000 at 58 mph, and 3000 rpm is needed on a regular basis in this diesel engine as it in not a tractor engine or big rig OTR diesel either.

Myself the main thing I see here with people with problems is they do not understand their diesel and their modern Jeep electronic's. They be first time diesel owners and are just too used to their Toyota gassers. Just kidding folks.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 12:49 pm

LibertyCRD wrote:

Problem is, locking out overdrive (which causes you to turn almost 3K RPM on the highway) is not an acceptable option, especially with a diesel engine. It's stupid logic. You have two choices...run the dog crap out of your engine, or put up with the tranny hunting like mad? Geez..that sucks. If my CRD was still acting that way pretty bad, and the dealership told me those were my two options...I'd tell them to keep the Jeep.

I'll bet that for 2006 the shifting will be fixed and hopefully those software updates can be applied to the 2005s also later on.

Mine didn't pull 3000 at 58 mph, 2700 I think is what it was, and 3000 rpm is needed on a regular basis in this diesel engine as it in not a tractor engine or big rig OTR diesel either. It's a DOHC 16 valve hotrod, and demands a little repect.

Myself the main thing I see here with people with problems is they do not understand their diesel and their modern Jeep electronic's. They be first time diesel owners and are just too used to their Toyota gassers. Just kidding folks.

spottyrecordkj · **Posted:** Wed Feb 15, 2006 1:01 pm

Well, maybe I am used to Toyota gassers, and maybe it is my first diesel. However this isn't a problem I have heard of with the TDI so maybe it is just JEEP! The Liberty is my first JEEP and my fiance wants to get rid of it and never get another american vehicle! I like my liberty and just wish that they would fix it's quirks! If it were as some people want to make it seem it would just shift in or out of lock-up and that is it. Fact is that it is not the case. It goes crazy as it is having a seizure and is very annoying and makes my family members very uncomfortable thinking that it is going to kill over! I traded a 2006 Toyota Camry in for my CRD. The Camry only had 3000 miles on it, but it hadn't seen the shop except for the 1st oil change! Within the 1st week my CRD saw the shop! It also seems to like the guys at the shop. I thought that diesels were male mine is a female as it likes to go flirt with the repair guys at the shop! sorry for the humor just upsets me that I have a brand new $26,000 vehicle and it goes to the shop more than a 6 year old Cavalier with over 100,000 miles on it! I am one of the people that spoke bad about cavaliers and said that they suck, well no worse than my Jeep. In fact it seems better reliability speaking!

NO LONGER IN THE CRD CLUB Good Luck

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