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 Post subject: Re: What the? $1,150 for an EGR valve?
PostPosted: Tue Jan 19, 2010 4:22 pm 
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PM "LocoCRD" or "TurboTim" to see if they have any available. If not, you may want to take a look at the Green Diesel Engineering tune. Several members have it and are impressed with the results. You can talk to them first if need be and make sure that their tune will work under your current code.

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 Post subject: Re: What the? $1,150 for an EGR valve?
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Here is a member trying to sell his in the "For Sale" section.

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 Post subject: Re: What the? $1,150 for an EGR valve?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 8:46 am 
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Symptoms: CEL. Felt a little sluggish and was getting 17.5-18 mpg instead of the usual 19-21 this time of year (city winter driving). Other than that, nothing. I only talked to the service manager over the phone so I didn't get an actual parts list ... I'm going to swing by over work and try to talk to him in person ... I hate discussing technical things over the phone, especially with a service department that generally never wants to explain anything to me in detail.

I'll re-post with more details if possible. I'm on the edge of just throwing the money at it and moving on ... this is a really bad time for me and I'm not sure I can even deal with it. In the future, I think I'm going to invest in the SEGR and find a more reasonable place to get this vehicle serviced.


This is why I won't take any vehicle to a "stealer" if at all possible. Our CRD is on it's 5th EGR valve in 80K. The last two I've replaced myself. You can R&R the EGR valve pretty easy with only removing the battery and fuel filter assembly. Two bolts for the EGR pipe, 4 bolts for the EGR itself (need 1/4" drive socket, ratchet and u-joint), clamp shut and remove the two coolant lines and remove the electrical connector. It's a bit of a PITA to get the EGR gasket in place under the EGR as well as getting the EGR in place between the engine and EGR tube, but really it's a simple job and a $180 part.

Funny part is that I bought the SEGR kit after the 3rd valve failed, assembled it, and it then sat on my workbench until the 4th valve failed, about 20k miles. :furious: So, I installed valve #5 and a few weeks later (this past weekend) installed the SEGR kit. It is a tedious install, made worse by the fact I was over-confident and sliced in the wires and then buttoned the whole wiring tray up only to find I somehow got the wrong wire for the tranny sense.

But in the end, the SEGR itself is working flawlessly and the CRD runs better than it ever has. I can't believe how clean it runs now! I've always been abhorred at the amount of smoke the CRD puts out at almost any amount of acceleration, new EGR valve or not. At night there was always a haze following it around. Now it runs as clean as my '02 TDI if not more so!

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 Post subject: Re: What the? $1,150 for an EGR valve?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:47 pm 
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I've always been abhorred at the amount of smoke the CRD puts out at almost any amount of acceleration, new EGR valve or not. At night there was always a haze following it around. Now it runs as clean as my '02 TDI if not more so!


It shouldn't be smoking like this. Mine only blows any noticeable smoke when I give it some serious wellie and even then only if I've not pushed it for a few days. It may be related to the reason that you've experienced so many EGR failures.

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 Post subject: Re: What the? $1,150 for an EGR valve?
PostPosted: Tue Mar 16, 2010 10:42 pm 
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It shouldn't be smoking like this. Mine only blows any noticeable smoke when I give it some serious wellie and even then only if I've not pushed it for a few days. It may be related to the reason that you've experienced so many EGR failures.

Could be, but it's been that way since Day 1. I followed another Liberty CRD a few weeks ago and it was smoking the same amount. It's not like our CRD is blowing great clouds of soot - but if I follow my wife I can see a light haze of smoke during acceleration with random little puffs of black at shift points. It's not real obvious looking in the mirrors, but at night the headlights behind showcase it more.

It is on it's 3rd FCV, also. It has always had clean air and fuel filters, regular oil changes, and run well with mileage on par with everyone else - 21 city/26 hwy.

I'm recall that just prior to production, there was a last minute ECM recalibration due to an emissions certification failure on the CRD. Later it was determined that the equipment was either defective or not calibrated properly, so the ECM recalibration was not really needed.

My opinion is that the NOx was out of limits, so Chrysler cranked up the EGR all the way to get the NOx down. Since soot/particulates were not as much of a concern, they didn't care as long as the NOx was within limits. However, running with the EGR duty cycle that high fries the EGR valve, trashes the FCV as it goes wild trying to keep enough vacuum to suck in enough EGR gasses, and fills up the engine with soot as it is forced to eat it's own crud and with all that EGR, there's not enough O2 to burn the fuel properly, which just makes more soot. The engine literally is choking to death on it's own excrement.

I can't believe how much snappier, cleaner, stronger, and more responsive it runs with the SEGR module. It runs like my Jetta now. Smells like it, too. The cat converter is finally working as intended rather than just filling up with soot. I used to take the CRD out once a month or so and really blast it a few times. The first full-throttle run up through the gears would lay down an enormous black cloud as it blew out all the accumulated crap from the exhaust system. After a few runs like that, it would quit smoking so much. But even a day or two later, I could repeat the same deal.

Two days on SEGR, I have yet to see any appreciable amount of smoke at any throttle. We'll see how the fuel mileage is on this tank, too.

I can't blame the engine - I never see a Duramax or Cummins smoke unless it's been "tweaked". The engine is the victim of inept application engineering.

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