test drove 05 have a few questions

mustang_gt_350 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:47 am **Posts:** 191

Ok i took it(05 sport 58k mi) for a drive about 3 mile semi city (small town) and then about 2-3 miles highway. I like how well it responded from like 35-50 mph with very light throttle. But i have a question.

While rolling at like say 8mph while off the peddle while coasting to a light and having the change back to green when i would get back into the throttle very gradually it felt like it wasn't accelerating then all of a sudden like there was a switch in the throttle that it started to go again. Its hard to explain, i wouldn't call it turbo lag it was more like a tuning issue with the TPS sensor. I know my powerstroke has a safety switch in the throttle that unless you go past that point in the throttle it won't accelerate if you listen you can actually hear the truck peddle click. I was wondering if thats a normal thing and is in the stock programming or if its something else. It kinda felt like instead of just gradually pushing the accelerator to speed up it was like i just went from off throttle to 1/8 all in one motion when i didn't. I'm not exactly sure of the speed that it was doing it at but i think it was around 8-15ish mph.

I hope this helps describe what I'm trying to say. Other than that thats the only thing i wasn't sure about. It has good power pulling up on ramps without much throttle and maintains speed well without much throttle pulling small inclines on the highway. And i was happy with the way it shifts. I noticed the downsize in the ex. pipe before the muffler and it also looks a little restrictive around the flex pipe section.

The salesman was playing the "what do you want your payment to be" game. So i told him i wasn't sure if this was exactly what i wanted and needed to play some numbers and think about it. He offered me to take the jeep home for the night and play around with it. I might take it tomorrow eve and drive it to work if the offer still stands that will give me almost 100 miles of drive time with it to see what i think.

What is the timing belt change interval? If i can't get them to budge as much on the price as i would like might see if i can get them to replace it for free. I would like to see if i can get them to go 12500 out the door they are asking 13995. I found 2 others in the area both are 06 sports 1. is 15990 has 36k and the other is 13990 and has 66k on it.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Wed Jun 02, 2010 10:17 pm

Timing belt is 100K.

Sounds like you are describing the normal turbo lag. On this jeep with a variable geometry turbo when it spools it spools quick and hard. You go from nothing to everything in about half a second.

Where did you say you were again?

mustang_gt_350 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:47 am **Posts:** 191

Sir Sam wrote:

Timing belt is 100K.

Sounds like you are describing the normal turbo lag. On this jeep with a variable geometry turbo when it spools it spools quick and hard. You go from nothing to everything in about half a second.

Where did you say you were again?

Ok I guess i'm just not used to that kind of lag. I'm running a gt42 on my powerstroke and theres lag but its a slow hitting lag not like a power-band style lag.

I do really enjoy the way it sounds. It is quieter than i ever expected though but i can change that i guess.

I'm about 65-70 miles east of Pittsburgh pa, driving time is about an hour and a half. Just a few minutes from the flight 93 crash site.

I'm going to call the dealer tomorrow and get more details about the loan % rate. What are the odds they gave them more than trade in value? NADA says 10500 for a good trade and 11500 for a clean.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Thu Jun 03, 2010 6:55 am

What you felt could also be air in the fuel :juggle:

Mine did that and at times was much worse. A intank lift pump cured it. These vnt turbo's spool pretty fast because of their small size.

To check air in the fuel with the engine off press the prime pump on the fuel head. It should get firm very quick but if it stays soft there's a lot of air in the filter head :mrgreen:

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Thu Jun 03, 2010 8:59 am

I recommend that you take him up on the offer and take the Jeep home. Drive it as much as possible before deciding. The more time you spend in it, the more you will get a feel for if you truly will like it from day to day. Also, the more likely you'll find any little problems with it.

The VERY next day after I got mine home, the CAC hose busted and cost $500 repair at the stealership (which I was reimbursed for, but anyway...). Drive that CRD as much as they'll let you, and go from there.

mustang_gt_350 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:47 am **Posts:** 191

LibertyCRD wrote:

I recommend that you take him up on the offer and take the Jeep home. Drive it as much as possible before deciding. The more time you spend in it, the more you will get a feel for if you truly will like it from day to day. Also, the more likely you'll find any little problems with it.

The VERY next day after I got mine home, the CAC hose busted and cost $500 repair at the stealership (which I was reimbursed for, but anyway...). Drive that CRD as much as they'll let you, and go from there.

I think i'm going to take them up on it. I drive around 40 miles one way to work. I was thinking about stopping in again tonight and seeing if the offer is still there and driving it to work tonight (night shift) And seeing what i think of it. I did like it just didn't really care for the silver all that much. And i'm not sure how long they have had it but it has around 1k more miles on it than it did when they took the pics for the website.

mustang_gt_350 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:47 am **Posts:** 191

I went this eve to see if the offer to take it for the night still was on the table. It was so i left happily with it. Well i stopped and put some fuel in it and left. About 3 miles up the road i started to smell something odd, i had thought i smelled it when i drove it the eve before for a few miles. It was a hot brake. So i pulled over to check it out and it was the passenger rear, it was smoking lol. SO i called and told the salesman what was up and he said to bring it back and they would get it looked at right away. So i let it cool for a while pulled the Ebrake on and off a few times along with pressing the brake peddle hard a few times. Then went back to the dealer. They are going to take a look at it and then let me take it tomorrow eve. I could tell the salesman felt bad, but that stuff happens. lol I also learned that the saleman knows nothing about how brakes work, hopefully the guys in the shop do lol

Now when sitting at a stop sign and i ease into the throttle (you know mpg savings mode style driving) to pull out it feels like just off idle at like 800-1000 RPMS it has a little stumble, not a turbo lag but like an engine miss type feeling. What is that? It has 1 click under half a tank of fuel and i checked the primer on the filter head and it felt firm. Is it air or is it a common thing for the CRD? It doesn't feel like its going to stall out or die its just a slight stumble. I do really like how it sounds, and drives in a 35-45mph zone. It doesn't take much throttle and your up to 55. And i kinda like its shifting patterns, and was trying to learn its T/C lock points.

* EDIT *
After posting the miss i had been talking about i found this..
http://www.greendieselengineering.com/g ... =jeepIssue

I'm wondering if that was what i had happen on the drive today. I never really noticed it if i got on the throttle a little harder/faster. I'll have to try to see if i can replicate it with light smooth throttle and if it goes away if i pull out harder.

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Thu Jun 03, 2010 10:34 pm

I believe that I have a rear brake that is sticking at times. Been showing signs of a funny feeling particularly at very slow speed while turning and pressing on/off the brake (such as when in a drive through at a fast food joint). It's either a brake or something in the rear diff. I'm going to inspect the brakes soon. I would guess that new calipers and a good cleaning would fix the issue...however I have heard that Jeep had some issues with the master cylinder and/or ABS system on these.

But...this is why you put as many miles on the CRD as you can before you buy it. :wink:

mustang_gt_350 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:47 am **Posts:** 191

I have the jeep at home now. I have 32 miles on it between the short drive yesterday before the brake problem. They put a new caliper on it and it seems to be doing fine, its not draging as much when i let off the throttle, and i can't get it to duplicate the miss while on very light throttle. So far i really like it. I'll see what happens on the drive to work with 4 guys in it tonight. Thats about 80mi round trip.

It also comes with 3mo/3k mile coverage from the dealer. Speaking of that the 05's had a 7yr/70k mile plan right? will that transfer ownership? I have been wanting to ask that at the dealer and i keep forgetting.

TJ2 · **Posted:** Sat Jun 05, 2010 6:04 am

If there's any of the 7/70 left they will transfer it for $150 dollars IF you are the second owner. After two owners it's a no go.

I had a CEL come on at about 100 miles so make sure you put enough miles on the clock to see if it's been reset.

mustang_gt_350 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:47 am **Posts:** 191

I put about 8-10 miles on it on weds drive and thursday was about 10, today it will be over 100 since i left the dealer with it last eve. until i get it back to them later this morning.

mustang_gt_350 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:47 am **Posts:** 191

Took the jeep to work, Loved it.

Got to the dealer this morn around 10am. Handed them my filled out credit app form and said ok.

I said what about 13999 out the door. He said well the internet price is the lowest we can normally go. i was like hm ok. And he was checking rates. (it was advertised for 13995= 219mo with 2k down plus taxes/title). He was trying to get me to go with 250mo for some reason. I was like no, he said 245 so i made some calls to have somone check a loan calc. and see what % it was and it worked out to about 5.00. So i said ok if its no longer than 5yrs. He came back after 15min and said 267 for 5yrs i just kinda looked at him like what?? he was like its not your credit its fine the bank won't go 5% only 7.XX% I said no i can't do that. then they played their little games of these are hard to find and they will get more expensive later in the summer and they hold value and blah blah... While that was going on he started the payment game by adding 6mo into the loan and droping it to 24x i was like no i'm not paying 6 more months and then he blah blah blah about make this much more and it will knock them off
blah..... Then he calls the loan guy back and tells him no go, goes 1 min and he calls back. He was like ok 259 for 5yr Thats making the jeep 13700. I said id have to think about it and when he said do you want to put down money so you can hold it so no one takes it, i said nah. Then he was like i'll give you free details, i'll fill it up with fuel (should do that anyway) and blah blah... And was saying its only 15.00 more, forgetting that they advertised it for 219.00 So i left.
If they call and say 13995 out the door i might take them up on it, or i might not.

TJ2 · **Posted:** Sat Jun 05, 2010 5:39 pm

Sounds like dealers are the same everywhere. I told the guy I'd pay $11k cash. . . period. They came back with a $11,065 or some such (just like I knew they would) and I took it. Then there was sales tax and licensing. . . AND the old $200 for processing the paperwork with the state. None of it was unexpected; that's why I said $11 to start with.

CRD's seem to be either in high demand or else nobody wants to touch them. FWIW, I had to deal with EGR issues right after I bought it. The GDE eco tune made the best sense to me. It's $550 and worth every penny.

Used car loans are around 4 to 5% at my credit union. I wouldn't pay any more than that. . .not never not no how. . . especially on a note longer than 24 months.

there's lots more fish in the sea,

good luck

mustang_gt_350 · **Joined:** Tue Jun 01, 2010 8:47 am **Posts:** 191

TJ2 wrote:

Sounds like dealers are the same everywhere. I told the guy I'd pay $11k cash. . . period. They came back with a $11,065 or some such (just like I knew they would) and I took it. Then there was sales tax and licensing. . . AND the old $200 for processing the paperwork with the state. None of it was unexpected; that's why I said $11 to start with.

CRD's seem to be either in high demand or else nobody wants to touch them. FWIW, I had to deal with EGR issues right after I bought it. The GDE eco tune made the best sense to me. It's $550 and worth every penny.

Used car loans are around 4 to 5% at my credit union. I wouldn't pay any more than that. . .not never not no how. . . especially on a note longer than 24 months.

there's lots more fish in the sea,

good luck

Thanks for the info. I have a credit union thats only a few miles away when i as doing my pre purchase prep to know what to expect for % rates i believe they had advertised on their website for 4.35% for an 05-whatever year range i can't remember. So i think I'll head in there Monday and see what all it takes to join and fill out a application for it and see if i can get it at around that website rate. Then when i do find one I'll be ready. Just from talking to around 2-3 people saying what happened I have heard of one person that has walked out of there also when he was trying to buy a brand new f-150 from them a few years ago.

And i have decided that if i do get a call from them this week (think i will) that unless they can do the 219mo for 5yr like advertised in the paper add last week, i'm walking. I might even just walk no matter what they come up with just because I'm still mad at how they try to play games and how much time i wasted there. Atleast i got to drive it free for a night to work lol

Also when they were pushing "they are hard to find" I never said anything and i should have but one dealer around 30 miles in the opposite direction has 2 in stock. The 06 sport with 66k on it they want 13990 and they have another 06 sport with 36k for 159xx. So i think i might take a trip on my motorcycle and stop in and talk to them and take one for a drive.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sat Jun 05, 2010 9:01 pm

If you get financing lined up through a credit union then you will have lots of options.

This may have higher miles than you want, but my buddy here just got a limited with 110K, lifted, exhaust, new tires, brakes, all the options minus NAV. For $9500 cash.

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