Best Tires for our CRD

jinstall · **Posted:** Mon Jun 21, 2010 7:09 am

I have been running Kumho 798's for years without any rubbing issues. I added a 1.5" lift and still no rubbing issues, I just added a set of Spidertrax 1.25" spacers and finally have a EVER so slight rubbing of the fender liner in the front. There tires have alwasy gotten me everywhere I wanted to. Laps on th eNuerburgring, high pssed runs on the autobahn(129mph), surf fishing in Deleware-Maryland-Florida, rough trail driving at work, the blizzard here in DC this year, snow storms in Europe, lots of trips back in forth from DC to FL adn so on. Never stuck, never a flat due to tire(only a large slab of steel), a couple of auto-X events, 1/4 mile runs and trailer hauling all over Europe. They have done everything I have asked for and have never let me down.

NJCRD · **Posted:** Mon Jun 21, 2010 9:12 am

The same tire in the 245 weighs in at 44lbs and the 235 weighs 38lbs.
Revs per mile on the 245 is 705 and 715 for the 235 :ALONE:

Any thoughts?

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:10 am

NJCRD wrote:

The same tire in the 245 weighs in at 44lbs and the 235 weighs 38lbs.
Revs per mile on the 245 is 705 and 715 for the 235 :ALONE:

Any thoughts?

What tire are you talking about?

And are you talking about 245/70 or 245/75? 235/70? Or 235/75?

NJCRD · **Posted:** Mon Jun 21, 2010 11:27 am

I thought the thread would have carried over. BFG TA/KO in 235/70/16 and 245/70/16.
The 245 weighs in at 44lbs and the 235 weighs 38lbs.

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:23 pm

NJCRD wrote:

I thought the thread would have carried over. BFG TA/KO in 235/70/16 and 245/70/16.
The 245 weighs in at 44lbs and the 235 weighs 38lbs.

AHH...Ok.

That's because the BFGs are "LT" (Light Truck) tires, and the 245s are load range "D" and the 235s are load range "C". The 245 is therefore capable of carrying more weight.

BOTH tires are overkill for a Jeep. If you like that tread pattern, I would suggest looking at the General Grabber AT2. Those are more suitable for a KJ and the 235s go 32 lbs. each (only 5 lbs. heavier than the stock tires!) and the 245s go about 40 lbs. They also have better mileage warranty, more siping for improved grip, and are much much less expensive. :2cents:

BVCRD · **Posted:** Mon Jun 21, 2010 12:39 pm

^ We love ours. Tread componds is tough against rocks. Been in rocks all summer it seems and not a scratch on the tread.

NJCRD · **Posted:** Mon Jun 21, 2010 1:16 pm

Anyone tried the Hankook Dynapro Ats R10? Seem agressive. Not to thrilled with the made in korea stamp though.
I've had the BFG TA KOs for 35k and they've been flawless. Snow was never an issue this winter. Drove through 2 blizzards and never once had a complaint. At 12lbs on the beach they hook great and take abuse well as I've hit a few potholes running at highway speed. Passed by some stranded motorists who hit the same pothole with bent rims and flat tires.
I also drive 8miles(every weekend) aired down on asphalt til I hit the air station and never damaged the sidewall.
Will look yours up

NJCRD · **Posted:** Tue Jun 22, 2010 8:28 pm

Those Generals look like the same as what I have with the bfg at a fraction of the price. Do they have a rim gaurd? Reviews are great everywhere I look. I'm debating between these and the Hankook atm rf10

geordi · **Posted:** Tue Jun 22, 2010 9:41 pm

Overkill... Is just about the right level of performance. The proper level of engineering is over-engineered for the job at hand. Only the bean counters want to run everything to within 10% of the failure limit, as a means of trading longevity for cost savings. Witness the Badyear Blowout 500s that were installed stock on our CRDs.

Think about it this way: You are moving furniture out of your house. Do you want to hire the "average joe" who might be able to do the job, but will be worn out by the end... Or the local strongman who will barely break a sweat lifting your couch? Yea, thats what I thought.

Our CRDs weigh in at 4300 lbs. The ratings of the "stock" tires are somewhere around 1900 lbs each. That SEEMS like an OK number, since you only expect the tire to hold 1/4 of the weight, right?

Wrong.

The weight of the car is constantly moving. It is only equal at 1/4 per tire when the car isn't moving. In motion, it is a "live load" and at varying points, a single tire might be asked to hold up to 75% of the weight of the vehicle! You get to that 75% number if you happen to be turning and braking at the same time, which will heavily load the front wheels (braking) and the one wheel on the outside of the turn. In braking straight, both front wheels can have force that easily exceeds the full weight of the vehicle, because they have inertial weight as well. In vertical lift situations, this would be considered a "shock load" that can impart onto the lifting cable as much as double the weight of the lifted load whenever it starts moving (upwards) or stops moving (downwards). The forces are the same for horizontal motion, but starting off is less of a shock load on the tires than stopping can be.

So I will ask the question again... Do you want your tires to be that close to their operational safety limit? 1900 lb limit, 1075 static load when sitting still. Sounds ok, right?
75% of vehicle weight on one wheel... 3225= 1.7 times the max tire load weight in an extreme cornering move. Will the tire fail? Impossible to predict, but I wouldn't want to be in that vehicle.
How about a panic stop? You don't do those for fun... 4300lbs, but with as much as 4300 additional from inertia. 75% of your stopping force is in the front 2 wheels, so they are carrying 6450 lbs, or 3225 again. See the problem here? Realistically, the tires will probably hold, or we would have been hearing about tire failures in panic stop situations in the news already. What IS happening is that the tire will severely deform its sidewall in such an extreme move, and possibly cause internal damage that may only reveal itself later.

I for one, like to increase the safety margin by increasing the strength of my wheels. They are ALL that is keeping you and your family safe. When you need that margin... You will really NEED it.

As for my experiences with the BFG commercial tires - I like them a lot. I'm very happy with the Traction style (LRD) so far for daily driving. On the highway tread version (LRE) that I had before, I got 60k miles from the front ones. I'm expecting better from the tractions, b/c they have 2/32 more tread depth. Interesting observation tho: They are all the same size, 215/85/16... And the traction LOOK wider than the highway tread by a decent amount... BUT, there was a set of Goodyear LT 215/85/16 in the shop the day that I got the tractions. Those looked like pizza wheels next to the traction, I coulda sworn they were only 60% of the width of the BFG yet had the same size rating? Weirdness.

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed Jun 23, 2010 7:46 am

NJCRD wrote:

Those Generals look like the same as what I have with the bfg at a fraction of the price. Do they have a rim gaurd? Reviews are great everywhere I look. I'm debating between these and the Hankook atm rf10

Yes, the General have a rim guard..and it's a nice one too. Even thicker than the BFGs. You would love them...they ride smooth and have excellent traction in all conditions.

And yes... LT tires ARE overkill on a Jeep. My "P" (Passenger vehicle) rated Generals are marked for 2,400 lbs. load EACH. That means I would have to put over 5,000 lbs. of weight ON my Jeep in order to overload the tires. That is impossible.

The only thing "E" rated tires accomplish on a Jeep is that they kill your performance and fuel economy and ride quality. We've hashed this out on the forum here before.

mikesully02 · **Joined:** Fri Dec 25, 2009 10:31 am **Posts:** 9

The best tires are Michelin LTS m/s, they have the same off road and mud traction as BFG All Terrain..... However they do much better in the snow. I was in the tire industry for years, and all the chinese knock-off tires SUCK. One thing is for sure, with tires you pay for what you get. On a gasser liberty my mom (who corners like a rally driver) got nearly 90k out of a pair of michelin ltx m/s. They are a bit pricey and don't look like an off-road tire, they also don't wear irregularly like one either, or give that annoying hum going down the highway (yes you will be annoyed by the off-road tire hum eventually). I bought my CRD with some Yokohama garbage on it last winter, I will be replacing them before the snow comes again in Michigan.

NJCRD · **Posted:** Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:19 pm

I can't hear the hum over my mufflerless exhaust and radio.

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