problem getting lug nut off

teckman02 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 20, 2010 8:49 am

yesterday i go to pull out my drivers side cv well i try and take the lug nuts off and the nut will not move. it was so stuck that i braking my 4 way any ideas on how to get the nuts off

KJ 119 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:01 am

Mabe borrow an impact from a friend.
Tire kingdom put my lugs on so tight after allignment,the 3/8 craftsman ratchet that I was usuing(with cheater pipe)broke on me trying to get them off.This was after twisting my 4-way like spaghetti.
Really thought I was gonna shear my lugs.I put a c-hair of neverseize on them after that.

SurfGuitar141 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 20, 2010 9:02 am

This problem happens when lugs get over tightened...discount tire places are notorious for setting the torque on their impact guns way too high.....

Soak it with Deep Creep, or any other high quality penetrating oil for a day, then loose the 4-way wrench, and get a 1/2" drive long handle ratchet or breaker bar on a deep socket, the lug will either break loose, or the stud will snap.....

InCommando · **Posted:** Sun Jun 20, 2010 10:48 am

What he said. Use a breaker bar and, if that doesn't get it, slip a length of pipe ( often a floor jack handle works) and lay on that puppy..

Archimedes: give me a lever long enough and a fulcrum strong enough and I could move the world....

STINGN · **Posted:** Sun Jun 20, 2010 12:31 pm

hey nick when you get to my place, want to help get my cv off?

WolverineFW · **Posted:** Thu Jun 24, 2010 1:48 pm

InCommando wrote:

What he said. Use a breaker bar and, if that doesn't get it, slip a length of pipe ( often a floor jack handle works) and lay on that puppy..

x3

TAHOE · **Posted:** Thu Jun 24, 2010 3:45 pm

yep.. .big breaker bar. Hopefully it will come lose, if not hopefully the stud will at least break so you can get it off and replace stud/lugnut. I had to air chisel some off an old camaro I had cause it sat so long, talk about a chore!!!

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sat Jun 26, 2010 1:51 pm

I hate it when I can't get my nuts off.

SurfGuitar141 · **Posted:** Sat Jun 26, 2010 2:36 pm

Sir Sam wrote:

I hate it when I can't get my nuts off.

That feeling of back pressure that just won't go away..... :ROTFL:

JL Rockies · **Posted:** Sat Jun 26, 2010 6:45 pm

You're replacing the CV's and you don't have an impact? You kids be crazy.

Silverdiesel · **Posted:** Sat Jun 26, 2010 8:16 pm

When installing tire lugnuts use suitable antisize. Bowman makes the stuff and it looks like thick copper mush.
Not only does the nut come off easy the next time but it is a fact that with the antisieze the tightened nut actually has a stronger tightness to the stud and thus holding the wheel more tight to the hub/rotor/drum.

Back in the day (early ninetys) I had a stuck nut on a stud on a Ford Exploder. Ended up ruining the alum. wheel and hub as I ended up spinning the stud- it was a very bad day. Used antisieze everytime ever since.

Roland

kskj · **Posted:** Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:13 pm

yellocoyote wrote:

JL Rockies wrote:

You're replacing the CV's and you don't have an impact? You kids be crazy.

Never replaced CV's using an impact...

Me either until moab this year used JL's bottle. Got the new part at 8 am started install at 8:30 finished at 8:50. On the trail by9:30. :lol:

InCommando · **Posted:** Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:15 pm

I always eat a big juicy steak beforehand and I never need an impact.

stumpjumper_09 · **Posted:** Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:33 pm

yellocoyote wrote:

JL Rockies wrote:

You're replacing the CV's and you don't have an impact? You kids be crazy.

Never replaced CV's using an impact...

Me neither actually I don't use air very often. I don't even put tires on with one prefer to know how much torque I really putting on something.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Sat Jun 26, 2010 9:55 pm

InCommando wrote:

I always eat a big juicy steak beforehand and I never need an impact.

With garlic, the garlic gives you a good grip, the steak the strength.

The onions are just there to keep the bugs away from you.

kskj · **Posted:** Sat Jun 26, 2010 10:16 pm

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sat Jun 26, 2010 11:59 pm

Silverdiesel wrote:

When installing tire lugnuts use suitable antisize. Bowman makes the stuff and it looks like thick copper mush.
Not only does the nut come off easy the next time but it is a fact that with the antisieze the tightened nut actually has a stronger tightness to the stud and thus holding the wheel more tight to the hub/rotor/drum.

Back in the day (early ninetys) I had a stuck nut on a stud on a Ford Exploder. Ended up ruining the alum. wheel and hub as I ended up spinning the stud- it was a very bad day. Used antisieze everytime ever since.

Roland

Why it holds tighter is your over-torquing the lugnut when the threads are coated with anti-seize.The torque specs for your lugnuts are for dry threads,adding anti-seize lubricates the threads and leads to a higher torque on the lugnut with the same force(if using a torque wrench) as with dry threads.It's a average of 25%+ more torque is applied to the lugnut with anti-seize which leads to wheel stud stretching and early failure.

Silverdiesel · **Posted:** Sun Jun 27, 2010 4:15 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

Silverdiesel wrote:

When installing tire lugnuts use suitable antisize. Bowman makes the stuff and it looks like thick copper mush.
Not only does the nut come off easy the next time but it is a fact that with the antisieze the tightened nut actually has a stronger tightness to the stud and thus holding the wheel more tight to the hub/rotor/drum.

Back in the day (early ninetys) I had a stuck nut on a stud on a Ford Exploder. Ended up ruining the alum. wheel and hub as I ended up spinning the stud- it was a very bad day. Used antisieze everytime ever since.

Roland

Why it holds tighter is your over-torquing the lugnut when the threads are coated with anti-seize.The torque specs for your lugnuts are for dry threads,adding anti-seize lubricates the threads and leads to a higher torque on the lugnut with the same force(if using a torque wrench) as with dry threads.It's a average of 25%+ more torque is applied to the lugnut with anti-seize which leads to wheel stud stretching and early failure.

I work with a fleet with over 100,000 trucks and 250,000 trailers that call for this antisieze procedure and the studs do not suffer failure. This fleet has an engineering department and an R+D division and it is a proven fact. An example of a time when a stud breaks or fails is when the mechanic fails to apply and the wheel weathers say on a rental trailer sitting in the back of a field for five years and the wheel is needing replacement. I have changed trailer wheels on trailers sitting for months and with the antisieze, the lugnuts come right off. I use antisieze on my KJ wheels and all my personal vehicles and never a problem with all this tire rotation we all have to do.

Roland

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sun Jun 27, 2010 7:22 am

Silverdiesel wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

Silverdiesel wrote:

When installing tire lugnuts use suitable antisize. Bowman makes the stuff and it looks like thick copper mush.
Not only does the nut come off easy the next time but it is a fact that with the antisieze the tightened nut actually has a stronger tightness to the stud and thus holding the wheel more tight to the hub/rotor/drum.

Back in the day (early ninetys) I had a stuck nut on a stud on a Ford Exploder. Ended up ruining the alum. wheel and hub as I ended up spinning the stud- it was a very bad day. Used antisieze everytime ever since.

Roland

Why it holds tighter is your over-torquing the lugnut when the threads are coated with anti-seize.The torque specs for your lugnuts are for dry threads,adding anti-seize lubricates the threads and leads to a higher torque on the lugnut with the same force(if using a torque wrench) as with dry threads.It's a average of 25%+ more torque is applied to the lugnut with anti-seize which leads to wheel stud stretching and early failure.

I work with a fleet with over 100,000 trucks and 250,000 trailers that call for this antisieze procedure and the studs do not suffer failure. This fleet has an engineering department and an R+D division and it is a proven fact. An example of a time when a stud breaks or fails is when the mechanic fails to apply and the wheel weathers say on a rental trailer sitting in the back of a field for five years and the wheel is needing replacement. I have changed trailer wheels on trailers sitting for months and with the antisieze, the lugnuts come right off. I use antisieze on my KJ wheels and all my personal vehicles and never a problem with all this tire rotation we all have to do.

Roland

Still does not change the fact your over-torquing your lugnuts with that stuff on them.

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