Gas better then diesel

tonycrd · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 6:24 am

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LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:43 am

It's not worth it anymore. :roll:

There are too many fools on this forum.

The funny thing is...most of those guys talking trash have never even owned a CRD!! I have owned both gas and diesel. Those guys don't even have a freaking clue what they are talking about. That's what's really hilarious about it.

Truth is... they are just jealous. Seriously, that's really what it is. Some people feel good about themselves when they put other people down.

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:49 am

There's no way a thread that starts by insulting a 1/3 of the forum is going to be positive.
you can go over and call them all liars - or just ignore them.

LOST didn't used to be this way

dieseldoesit · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:38 am

ATXKJ wrote:

LOST didn't used to be this way

I think this is due to websites growing in popularity. I have seen this on many forums, and those that say " I wish it was like they used to be" are referencing a time period when the forum was much smaller.

At least that is what I have seen on the forums that I visit regularly. Interesting world we live in.

LibertyCRD · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:07 am

ATXKJ wrote:

LOST didn't used to be this way

EXACTLY. This place reminds me of Jeeps Unlimited more and more with each passing year.

BVCRD · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:29 pm

If I had it to do all over again, I would have purchased the gas Liby.

sidebrake · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 12:36 pm

I'm new, so correct me if I'm wrong ... but doesn't one of the founders/creators of LOST have a CRD?? Probably the wrong site to be "sticking it" to diesel owners...

linewarbr · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:03 pm

Personally I think there is one member posting in that thread that has made it what it is. Never seems to do anything bad enough to get banned, but sure chases off people less confrontational - since you cannot carry on a rational discussion with that member if you have a differing viewpoint.

BVCRD · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 1:20 pm

sidebrake wrote:

I'm new, so correct me if I'm wrong ... but doesn't one of the founders/creators of LOST have a CRD?? Probably the wrong site to be "sticking it" to diesel owners...

Yes he does. For me, the added cost of the price of the fuel, along with the air issues have soured me. I originally bought the CRD for the towing capacity since we live out here at 8000 feet in elevation. I drove the gas version and thought it sucked for power. I haven't done as much towing as I thought I would. About the time I purchased it, diesel prices shot up way past gas. Historically up until that time, fuel was always cheaper than gas. The mpg are a bit better, but not enough to make up the difference.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:19 pm

The Gasers who rip the Diesel owners remind me of the Hotel Owners Wife's Salad Recipe:
Substitute small lumps of coal for croutons, that way diamonds flow out the other end.
Classic case where the tight wads rip the ones who aren't and try to feel superior.
True I have done some mods on my CRD so I can do some serious towing, I will be able to tow more than a gasser and not need an extra truck sitting in the driveway sucking extra insurance money, license plate fees, and maintenance for some occasional use.
For those who want to noodle around, take an occasional trip, or tow a small trailer, a gasser is fine for them, but not me.

I wish the best for Incomando and his gasser pals and hope they enjoy some coffee (http://observers.france24.com/en/conten ... source=EMV) with their Krispy Kream Donuts.

flash7210 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 2:31 pm

BVCRD wrote:

If I had it to do all over again, I would have purchased the gas Liby.

If had to do all over again I would have put a 4BT Cummins in my old F150.

I never would have considered buying a Liberty if it did not have a diesel.
And the Liberty is a much more practical family vehicle than an F150.

geordi · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 3:10 pm

That is where you are wrong. The energy balance and the economy differences of the engines calculates out that diesel would need to be 75 cents per gallon MORE than gasoline in order for them to just be equal.

Yea, it blows that we are getting screwed on a cheaper fuel that is easier to refine... But when compared against the design flaws of a gas engine... We still win.

Gasser working hard but running hot? Just piss away more fuel (REALLY drops the mpg) to cool the cylinders. Diesel working hard and running hot? Inject LESS fuel to cool the cylinders and EGT... OR just increase the boost / airflow. Has the same effect, but you still get the same power (work) from the engine. With proper gearing, increasing the RPM by dropping one gear also can do the same thing, reducing the demand for fuel and increasing the airflow which cools the cylinders.

Enviro-Nazis say diesel is dirtier than gas, because you can "see" the exhaust. Of course, they ignore the human-breathing-scientists that have said that tiny particles (less than 2-3 micron) are what causes asthma and emphysema in people by getting deep into the lungs and past the body's natural ~5-micron filters. Diesel particulates are normally 10-15 microns... So it would be like trying to inhale a basketball. The same scientists talked about the length of "hang time" of the particles in the air, and that the smaller ones from gas engines (B/c they have such little mass) can stay airborne for DAYS if not longer. Diesel however, fall to ground in only minutes, because of their much larger and heavier size.

Any way you slice it... Diesel wins.

changingtime · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:47 pm

I thought I saw in a previous post that you are running the old fuel seperator. I was under the impression that cleared up a lot of air problems.

Why don't you just change it out, takes about 20 minutes and it's cheap.

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Yes he does. For me, the added cost of the price of the fuel, along with the air issues have soured me. I originally bought the CRD for the towing capacity since we live out here at 8000 feet in elevation. I drove the gas version and thought it sucked for power. I haven't done as much towing as I thought I would. About the time I purchased it, diesel prices shot up way past gas. Historically up until that time, fuel was always cheaper than gas. The mpg are a bit better, but not enough to make up the difference.

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Mileage as of 6/21/2010***71,300*** 3 Recalls completed, 1 CEL, that corrected itself, Grabber AT2's, pretty much stock with a little bit of armor.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 4:54 pm

geordi wrote:

That is where you are wrong. The energy balance and the economy differences of the engines calculates out that diesel would need to be 75 cents per gallon MORE than gasoline in order for them to just be equal.

Yea, it blows that we are getting screwed on a cheaper fuel that is easier to refine... But when compared against the design flaws of a gas engine... We still win.

Gasser working hard but running hot? Just piss away more fuel (REALLY drops the mpg) to cool the cylinders. Diesel working hard and running hot? Inject LESS fuel to cool the cylinders and EGT... OR just increase the boost / airflow. Has the same effect, but you still get the same power (work) from the engine. With proper gearing, increasing the RPM by dropping one gear also can do the same thing, reducing the demand for fuel and increasing the airflow which cools the cylinders.

Enviro-Nazis say diesel is dirtier than gas, because you can "see" the exhaust. Of course, they ignore the human-breathing-scientists that have said that tiny particles (less than 2-3 micron) are what causes asthma and emphysema in people by getting deep into the lungs and past the body's natural ~5-micron filters. Diesel particulates are normally 10-15 microns... So it would be like trying to inhale a basketball. The same scientists talked about the length of "hang time" of the particles in the air, and that the smaller ones from gas engines (B/c they have such little mass) can stay airborne for DAYS if not longer. Diesel however, fall to ground in only minutes, because of their much larger and heavier size.

Any way you slice it... Diesel wins.

Don't forget to pile onto our Politicians of both Parties who slapped on a extra Tax on Diesel fuel years ago because we were getting out of paying the Road Tax do to better fuel economy. I got a one time tax break of some pittance that does not make up for the ~ $0.10 gal surcharge I pay. Some states have reduced/eliminated the discrepancy, but Blago Land has not. I am waiting for a tax on farts next because farts contain methane that could provide untaxed fuel that could be sucked into the engine. :banghead:

Anybody think the Electric Cars will keep getting out of Paying the Road Tax? Not me.
I would love to see a Prius get a ticket for not paying road tax by having a Solar Panel on the roof, Oh wait, Gov Quinn is working on that right now. :ROTFL:

They need the money.

BVCRD · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:01 pm

geordi wrote:

That is where you are wrong. The energy balance and the economy differences of the engines calculates out that diesel would need to be 75 cents per gallon MORE than gasoline in order for them to just be equal.

Yea, it blows that we are getting screwed on a cheaper fuel that is easier to refine... But when compared against the design flaws of a gas engine... We still win.

Gasser working hard but running hot? Just piss away more fuel (REALLY drops the mpg) to cool the cylinders. Diesel working hard and running hot? Inject LESS fuel to cool the cylinders and EGT... OR just increase the boost / airflow. Has the same effect, but you still get the same power (work) from the engine. With proper gearing, increasing the RPM by dropping one gear also can do the same thing, reducing the demand for fuel and increasing the airflow which cools the cylinders.

Enviro-Nazis say diesel is dirtier than gas, because you can "see" the exhaust. Of course, they ignore the human-breathing-scientists that have said that tiny particles (less than 2-3 micron) are what causes asthma and emphysema in people by getting deep into the lungs and past the body's natural ~5-micron filters. Diesel particulates are normally 10-15 microns... So it would be like trying to inhale a basketball. The same scientists talked about the length of "hang time" of the particles in the air, and that the smaller ones from gas engines (B/c they have such little mass) can stay airborne for DAYS if not longer. Diesel however, fall to ground in only minutes, because of their much larger and heavier size.

Any way you slice it... Diesel wins.

Well, it is about 60 cents higher right now in the Colorado mountains. I get 23-25 mpg on a daily basis. Don't gassers get 18-20?

BVCRD · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 7:02 pm

changingtime wrote:

I thought I saw in a previous post that you are running the old fuel seperator. I was under the impression that cleared up a lot of air problems.

Why don't you just change it out, takes about 20 minutes and it's cheap.

---------------

Yes he does. For me, the added cost of the price of the fuel, along with the air issues have soured me. I originally bought the CRD for the towing capacity since we live out here at 8000 feet in elevation. I drove the gas version and thought it sucked for power. I haven't done as much towing as I thought I would. About the time I purchased it, diesel prices shot up way past gas. Historically up until that time, fuel was always cheaper than gas. The mpg are a bit better, but not enough to make up the difference.

Yea, mines all original.

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2006 Sport CRD, Inferno Red, Born on date 12/2005
Mileage as of 6/21/2010***71,300*** 3 Recalls completed, 1 CEL, that corrected itself, Grabber AT2's, pretty much stock with a little bit of armor.

flman · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:34 pm

LibertyCRD wrote:

Truth is... they are just jealous. Seriously, that's really what it is. Some people feel good about themselves when they put other people down.

Never thought about that, but you hit the nail right on the head. They should be jealous all you ever read in most Jeep forums is low MPG issues with the 3.7.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 9:53 pm

flman wrote:

LibertyCRD wrote:

Truth is... they are just jealous. Seriously, that's really what it is. Some people feel good about themselves when they put other people down.

Never thought about that, but you hit the nail right on the head. They should be jealous all you ever read in most Jeep forums is low MPG issues with the 3.7.

No jealousy here,I like my mpg's just fine,it's a Jeep who cares about mpg's? Like I've stated before the CRD's I have driven did not impress me at all,heck one could barely get on our alignment rack under it's own power.

kdlewis1975 · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 10:08 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

flman wrote:

LibertyCRD wrote:

Truth is... they are just jealous. Seriously, that's really what it is. Some people feel good about themselves when they put other people down.

Never thought about that, but you hit the nail right on the head. They should be jealous all you ever read in most Jeep forums is low MPG issues with the 3.7.

No jealousy here,I like my mpg's just fine,it's a Jeep who cares about mpg's? Like I've stated before the CRD's I have driven did not impress me at all,heck one could barely get on our alignment rack under it's own power.

The owner probably needed the transmission filter drained due to the anti-drainback valve not working which would lead to the torque converter not being full enough. Mine usually tries to run over crap and rear-end cars if I don't keep the brake mashed, so I think you have an isolated instance.

fastRob · **Posted:** Wed Jul 21, 2010 11:22 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

No jealousy here,I like my mpg's just fine,it's a Jeep who cares about mpg's? Like I've stated before the CRD's I have driven did not impress me at all,heck one could barely get on our alignment rack under it's own power.

tjkj2002,
I would like for you to be able to drive mine. When I get 5,000 lbs on the hitch it slows down a bit but it is surprisingly peppy.
Of course it took a long time to get it just right and the final gem in the crown is the GDE hot flash.
When it rattles at idle it reminds me of those funny car dragsters popping away. Not that I really would let you drive it but it was a nice thought for a moment.
R

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