I work in the public sector, and am quite familiar with the government purchase process works. I write requisitions and RFP's for 5-6 figure purchases on a regular basis, which then get butchered by our purchasing department. However, just because someone with no knowledge of what they're buying screws up a purchase doesn't mean you're up crap creek. If you write the specs right, and they buy something that doesn't meet your specs then you go back to whoever sold you the piece of crap and get them to fix it or take it back with a refund. This fire department clearly got sold something that didn't meet their needs. This should be a battle fought between the FD, their purchasing department, and the vendor that sold them the apparatus. They bought the wrong truck, and that has nothing to do with EPA regulations. I'm guessing that the only reason they're whining about it now and trying to shift the blame is that their purchase specs were not well written and their vendor told to stick it where the sun don't shine.


That statement doesn't even make any sense. How much research have you published, or even contributed to?

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Funny you blame the manufacturers that are mandated by a bunch of socialist elitists that make these standards up after they had a few too many to drink and returned to congress for their session. They pick a number out of the sky that has to be achieved and leave the rest up to the manufacturer with no type of research in the feasibility of their pipe dream. And in the end the consumer pays for it every time. All these standards are arbitrary numbers picked out of the sky.

BLAME THE PEOPLE THAT HAVE BESTOWED THESE STANDARDS ON US, NOT THE PEOPLE THAT MUST COMPLY WITH RIDICULOUS STANDARDS

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Proudly supporting CRD vendors, and their development of quality parts and accessories.
Equipped with HDS thermostat, plenty of heat, faster warm-ups, increased fuel mileage.

China's government has pretty lax particulate emission standards. Maybe you guys should move there if you don't like the government regulations and clean air in the US. Clearly, scientific proof and factual information is completely lost on this crowd. Can you even see the blue sky with your head buried so far in the sand?

Here's a typical Beijing summer day:

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2006 Liberty Sport CRD

So, why are you burning fossil fuels if you are so concerned? If you are not part of the solution, you are part of the problem.

We cleaned up our emissions problems years ago. Do you think big brother will ever stop trying to save us from our selves? Do you think the EPA will ever say, OK, pollution has been solved? Geez, they have there lively hoods at stake the day they say that.

I am done debating with you, because you are not of the same mind set as the rest of the CRD crowd.

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Proudly supporting CRD vendors, and their development of quality parts and accessories.
Equipped with HDS thermostat, plenty of heat, faster warm-ups, increased fuel mileage.

I never said I was burning fossil fuel in my CRD. People buy diesel passenger vehicles for a lot of different reasons. Efficient use of recycled biofuels is one of the major ones. I *am* a part of the solution, how about you?


Thankfully, I know that's not accurate. The CRD is one of the most popular vehicles for "greenies" whose lifestyle doesn't fit in a Prius. Most of the CRD owners that I have met would even identify themselves as "environmentalists" (oh, the horror!). Why do you think "Green Diesel Engineering" chose their company name and logo such as they did? I hate to break it to you, but you're the minority in the CRD owner's club.

What an irony it is that you are able to perform your government, science, and research-bashing using a computer and communications medium (internet) that would not exist if it were not for government-sponsored academic research and government-mandated standards. Without the EPA, you'd be soaking up lead poisoning from your keyboard, and bathing in toxic amounts of radiation from your monitor and CPU. Did you remember to take your iodine tablet today?

I should have known when I first saw the misspelled title that this thread was at the shallow end of the gene pool. Since you're done debating science with rhetoric, I'll leave this thread alone and not beleaguer the point any longer. The facts I posted stand by themselves without further effort.

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2006 Liberty Sport CRD

chrismc, thanks for your voice of reason. I do not understand this ridiculous backlash towards science and reason; we would not be driving such marvelous machines without it.

I'll just leave my mark by saying my CRD burns no fossil fuels in spring, summer and fall. Regretfully, I have to mix the devil's tea in to keep going in the winter. I'd like to think I am part of the solution, and I most certainly will be voting this fall, and not for unreasonable people.

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'01 Beetle TDi B100, EGR delete
'83 Mercedes 240D B100, no EGR

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Hardy Har Har Another thing the government is preventing as long as big oil is in the pockets of our politicians don't expect to see too many bio fuel stations. And to think your beloved government would prevent the production of green fuels. I have never had the opportunity to burn bio in one of my over 25 diesels I have owned over the years, and I am not going to make it, I could be out making money to buy some diesel to help contribute to all of your hypocritical friends that you believe are helping us.



I think for my self, I don't need some scientist to tell me how to wipe my butt. Some scientists have a purpose, and some are looking through recognition with phony theories. The majority of the worlds scientist say green house gas is a fable, yet you greenies still believe every word of some shiester politician. And I won't even discuss GDE with you, because you are only guessing at that one. I dont see nothing green about a black cloud blowing out the exhaust of my Hot tuned Jeep

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Proudly supporting CRD vendors, and their development of quality parts and accessories.
Equipped with HDS thermostat, plenty of heat, faster warm-ups, increased fuel mileage.

I dont see nothing green about a black cloud blowing out the exhaust of my Hot tuned Jeep

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2006 Limited CRD 4x4 Inferno Red, GDE ECO tune

I hope he did not give up, we were just starting to have fun with him, disproving all his big brother is going to save us theories.

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Proudly supporting CRD vendors, and their development of quality parts and accessories.
Equipped with HDS thermostat, plenty of heat, faster warm-ups, increased fuel mileage.

Now see, disproving something would require an understanding of exactly what "proof" is. I've seen no evidence of that from the "anti-gooberment" (did I spell that right for you?) crowd in this thread. Just keep on writing your rants, its entertaining the crap out of us at work (where we do "ree-surch" and "make science", you wouldn't understand). The more YOU write, the more it proves MY point. Oh, and you're wiping your butt wrong.

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2006 Liberty Sport CRD

I have done more than enough research and have the educational credentials (just shy of PHD) to know when academics are blowing smoke, fudging figures and lying through their teeth. When they lye they should suffer the same fate that people in the corporate world have to and get prosecuted to the full extent of the law, no hiding behind academic freedom. If you don't understand the statement about the Acid Head Hippies, you don't know much about the counter culture of the 1960s, too bad. Many of these PEOPLE are now in positions of power and are rotten to the core, ready to make a fast buck on an environmental scam.

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2006 Pearl Green CRD
Magnaflow 2 1/2" Cat Back
KJ Extra Leg Room Brackets, Carter Lift Pump, V6 Airbox, ORM
Fuel cooler, Oil Separator, Progard 7
Gauges EGT Boost Trans Temp Oil Pres, Michelin LXT AT2 245 70 R16
7,000# Draw Tight hitch, PML EX Deep Trans Pan
Centrifuge, SunCoast, Transgo, RAM TCM, InMotion Stage 2
Wife's 99 TDI VW Beetle

Sounds a lot like, "REFLEX", has he been reincarnated?
Some of his Theories were as shocking and wild as his insults.

Anyway, Acid Head Hippies are more apt to drive a Prius than a CRD, just a little factoid.

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2006 Pearl Green CRD
Magnaflow 2 1/2" Cat Back
KJ Extra Leg Room Brackets, Carter Lift Pump, V6 Airbox, ORM
Fuel cooler, Oil Separator, Progard 7
Gauges EGT Boost Trans Temp Oil Pres, Michelin LXT AT2 245 70 R16
7,000# Draw Tight hitch, PML EX Deep Trans Pan
Centrifuge, SunCoast, Transgo, RAM TCM, InMotion Stage 2
Wife's 99 TDI VW Beetle

What university(-ies) did you attend? I'd like to have a chat with their Dean of Academics about their spelling curriculum.

lye: A corrosive alkaline substance, commonly sodium hydroxide (NaOH, also known as 'caustic soda') or historically potassium hydroxide (KOH, from hydrated potash).
lie: 1) A false statement made with deliberate intent to deceive; an intentional untruth; a falsehood.

...and with that, I'm done feeding the trolls.

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2006 Liberty Sport CRD

Ooh, he is so much smarter and better they us, he was sent to a University by his mommy and daddy. We have an elitist amongst us. That means he can tell us Liberal politicians are so correct in their BS. This guy is hard coded with this crap in his brain, he cant be convinced that the people he thinks are saving us from pollution, are filling their pockets with the big oil money, He has not disputed that yet. Also you still need to dispute the black cloud of smoke coming out of my "Green" Diesel Jeep. Come on Mr. Higher education, tell us all about it. Nothing more fun than putting a guy with a degree in his place with common sense.

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Proudly supporting CRD vendors, and their development of quality parts and accessories.
Equipped with HDS thermostat, plenty of heat, faster warm-ups, increased fuel mileage.

You remind me of a contract forum troll who sites junk science and does direct attacks to attempt to defeat your opponents. To put your argument in the correct perspective that many of us on this forum have discussed in depth before above and beyond your TALKING POINTS, Sophomoric debating tactics, and quickie Google links. Your junk science argument and comparing us CRD owners to examples of environmental mismanaged in third world countries like China are pure Male Bovine Fecal Matter that should be spread onto a field and used for producing organic vegetables. Your Guru Hien T. Tran "Fake" PHD who generated much of the fraud you use to make your case should be prosecuted and put in a Federal Maximum Security Facility that does not house any Terrorists for Fear they may adopt his ideas and join his ranks.
Let me state the point regarding the EPA and CARB. Like the child abuse industry of the 1980s that even CBS News accurately exposed as being out of control, children where removed from their families for very civil disciplinary action (such as loss of privileges) even by today's standards, the EPA has become too big for their own britches. One recent example of EPA stupidity was shutting down oil skimmers for only removing 95% of the oil as opposed to 100%. Attempting to go after Farm Dust as a pollutant. Attempting to ban lead bullets which are rendered inert by calcium in the soil. Making a big stink about Nitrous Oxides to the point that diesel engines produce other pollutants. Making a big issue about CO2 and trying to involve themselves in a Carbon Credit Trading Scam that is nothing more than a way for those who do nothing but make lots of money.

As stated before, Reflex Déjà vu

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2006 Pearl Green CRD
Magnaflow 2 1/2" Cat Back
KJ Extra Leg Room Brackets, Carter Lift Pump, V6 Airbox, ORM
Fuel cooler, Oil Separator, Progard 7
Gauges EGT Boost Trans Temp Oil Pres, Michelin LXT AT2 245 70 R16
7,000# Draw Tight hitch, PML EX Deep Trans Pan
Centrifuge, SunCoast, Transgo, RAM TCM, InMotion Stage 2
Wife's 99 TDI VW Beetle

Hah, you know nothing about me. I've been continuously employed for over 20 years (since I was 14, full-time since I was 16). My parents were not in the picture growing up in rural Missouri, and I've been taking care of myself since I was younger than I can remember. Everything I have in life has been solely a result of my own hard work. Some of us achieve more with our hard work than others.

I love it that you guys think you've "proven" something to me. I'm the only one that has posted ANY actual data supporting proof of anything. All you guys have proven is that you can copy and paste anti-government rhetoric and conspiracy theories have that no factual basis. Keep posting, us "edumacated folks" are still laughing here.

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2006 Liberty Sport CRD

Why do you think "Green Diesel Engineering" chose their company name and logo such as they did?

No answer to that yet?

The Government that tells us to be green, but has it's hands in the pockets of big oil?

No answer to that yet?

Blaming manufactures for all the problems with emission controls that are mandated on them?

No answer to that yet?

You are getting kind of pathetic, calling us trolls for the thread you are trolling, and resorting to changing the subject to a typo meaning we cant spell. You have been indoctrinated by all the acid hippies that have taught you in your ivory university.

Get a life chrismc

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Proudly supporting CRD vendors, and their development of quality parts and accessories.
Equipped with HDS thermostat, plenty of heat, faster warm-ups, increased fuel mileage.

Must be what happens when two Acid Head Hippies don't use Birth Control, may be why his Parents were out of the picture, they were off on another dimension of reality.

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2006 Pearl Green CRD
Magnaflow 2 1/2" Cat Back
KJ Extra Leg Room Brackets, Carter Lift Pump, V6 Airbox, ORM
Fuel cooler, Oil Separator, Progard 7
Gauges EGT Boost Trans Temp Oil Pres, Michelin LXT AT2 245 70 R16
7,000# Draw Tight hitch, PML EX Deep Trans Pan
Centrifuge, SunCoast, Transgo, RAM TCM, InMotion Stage 2
Wife's 99 TDI VW Beetle

Seriously, are you guys even capable of thinking straight? Too much lead poisoning I guess. Its difficult to reply when you can't even form a cohesive question or stick with one conspiracy theory.

I asked that question, not vice-versa. I'll answer it anyway. I think this one is pretty obvious. GDE isn't dumb, and wants to make money. They realize that the majority of CRD owners purchased their CRD for the environmental aspects of ownership, and are marketing towards them. Hence the term "Green" in the company name, and a company logo that uses the recycle symbol. This one's a no-brainer. Let me guess, they're pot-head hippies and the "Green" they're selling is reefer. That sounds like one of your conspiracy theories.


In the 2008 election, 77% of Big Oil's political contributions went to Republican party and candidates, whom advocate a "hands-off" approach to government regulation. Big Oil's money is trying to buy a free pass to do as they please without concern for the environment. Personally, I believe very strongly in campaign finance/lobbying reform. I don't believe that ANY company should be able to donate money to campaigns, parties, or candidates, and that only reasonably-sized contributions should be allowed from individuals. Money doesn't belong in politics. I think the best candidate with the best ideas should win the votes of the people, not the most well-funded candidate.


I've already answered this one repeatedly. I blame any individual manufacturer that cannot create a product as well as their competitors, and the people that buy said inferior product. This is a free-market capitalist economy, and the best idea wins the $$. That's how America works. If you buy crap that doesn't work for you, that's your fault unless the manufacturer mis-represented their product, then its fraud. That issue has nothing to do with government regulation.


I fail to see how "vehicals" is a typo. Regardless, if it was the only misspelled word I'd let it go. However, nearly every post from flman and warp2diesel has numerous spelling and grammar errors. That sets a strong baseline for invalidating your writings, especially when spell-check is built into many web-browsers these days and you could easily go back and edit your misspellings & typos after the fact (assuming you knew how to properly spell the words). Since you were incapable of debating science with science and instead chose anti-government rhetoric, I decided to post something to the thread with equal relevance to the topic (your spelling). Again, you know nothing about me or my background, and your assumptions are very far from the truth.

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2006 Liberty Sport CRD

Thanks for bringing us into this thread...

There is such a thing as finding common ground with respect to acting 'green' and still maintaining a consumption based society. We try to be conscience about the environment as best as possible given the fact that our services focus on transportation, which is by nature less than the best for air quality. Our tunes lower particulates by about 65% with the ECO tune and only about 50% with the HOT tune (it will only smoke during WOT accelerations for the most part). The 'green' in GDE is mainly for the reduced overall fuel consumption as this is directionally correct to lower HC, CO and CO2 emissions.

The regulations for PM in the US is somewhat complicated and will be even more so in the future. Most of the current regulations cover PM10, with PM2.5 regs coming in soon. When PM2.5 is fully implemented, it will require most gasoline engines to be equipped with particulate traps, which will fuel more costs passed on to the consumer. The interesting aspect of particulates is that the PM10 particles and larger are heavier than air, thus they fall to the ground and are decomposed by the earth to be harmless. It is the smaller particles 2.5 and smaller that can lead to more health issues as these are too light and tend to stay in the atmosphere longer.

The clean air act was a major step to improving air quality in the US, but there comes a point of diminishing returns. We most likely do more damage to our lungs sitting around a campfire (large amount of PM) than driving behind a diesel.

As for emergency vehicles, if my home was on fire I would not want the fire truck to be delayed because the DPF needed regenerated. The manufacturer can implement a passive regen filter, place an active DPF closer to the exhaust, used twin wall exhaust pipes to hold more heat and use post injection to light off the DPF. The only time a DPF needs manual regeneration is if it got plugged due to bad fuel, running too cold exhaust or not the proper space velocity to ensure a good burn. These design considerations are the responsibility of the manufacturer...they will get it right eventually or the warranty bill will put them out of business.

The core issue with active DPFs is the 3-5% fuel economy penalty one must sacrifice. This comes from increased backpressure and also from the additional fueling, engine throttling required to reach 600 C in the exhaust to burn off accumulated soot. A DPF will increase our overall fuel usage, thus the whole part about finding common ground to balance the environment and consumer mindset.

GDE

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