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PostPosted: Fri Oct 29, 2010 10:21 pm 
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Good point racetracer, I have the complete Miller tool set, so I am ready for any thing except a cracked block.


FYI: Powder torch can fix a cracked block, been there done that.
A powder torch can even weld cast iron to stainless steel, been there done that too.

For now VM is kissing Chrysler's butt so Chrysler can make the money as long as they are required to sell parts. Navistar no longer sells parts for some of the older DT-466 engines, but there are other sources for valves, pistons, liners, bearings, gears, and so on.

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PostPosted: Sat Oct 30, 2010 6:59 am 
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flman wrote:
Good point racetracer, I have the complete Miller tool set, so I am ready for any thing except a cracked block.


FYI: Powder torch can fix a cracked block, been there done that.
A powder torch can even weld cast iron to stainless steel, been there done that too.

For now VM is kissing Chrysler's butt so Chrysler can make the money as long as they are required to sell parts. Navistar no longer sells parts for some of the older DT-466 engines, but there are other sources for valves, pistons, liners, bearings, gears, and so on.

Don't give up.


Good to know, I hope I never have to go there.

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It's an interesting thought but I'm not going to worry about it too much. I figure if I continue to maintain it and since we only have 40K after almost 5 years it's shouldn't be a concern for at least another 5 years, probably more. By that time I will have gotten my moneys worth and can probably part it out for more than the resale value.

Beside, my wife truely loves driving the little beast.

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Also, as time goes by, aftermarket parts will be more available and affordable.

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Also, as time goes by, aftermarket parts will be more available and affordable.


Huh, why would they make parts for a non production engine?

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Also, as time goes by, aftermarket parts will be more available and affordable.


Huh, why would they make parts for a non production engine?


Yeah exactly. The 2.8 is DONE in the United States. The more time goes by, the more impossible it's going to get to keep these things on the road when the engine goes down.

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you guys do know that the manufacturer is required by law to supply parts for 10 years. may not be next day but chrysler is legally bound to keep parts available until 2015-2016.

at lease in Canada, I doubt the US is any different.

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you guys do know that the manufacturer is required by law to supply parts for 10 years. may not be next day but chrysler is legally bound to keep parts available until 2015-2016.

at lease in Canada, I doubt the US is any different.


What is the title of this statute and what are the penalties?


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I'm currently rebuilding my Jeep liberty diesel after a major engine failure. I've purchased all necessary parts from these guys in Texas.

http://www.jeepoemparts.com/

Expensive, but I must have this car running. I can't afford another vehicle right now. Will reply back once all parts are in.

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I'm currently rebuilding my Jeep liberty diesel after a major engine failure. I've purchased all necessary parts from these guys in Texas.

http://www.jeepoemparts.com/

Expensive, but I must have this car running. I can't afford another vehicle right now. Will reply back once all parts are in.


$280 for one piston, $115 for its rings, and another $115 for a con rod, after discount!
That's over 2 grand just for a set of pistons with rings and rods.


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$280 for one piston, $115 for its rings, and another $115 for a con rod, after discount!
That's over 2 grand just for a set of pistons with rings and rods.


Dang, I'd just call a company like JE and see about a set of 4 custom made forged pistons made by sending them a good one and them copying it.. They'd be thougher pistons depending on the material... Could do the same for crank and rods if needed... Don't know if it's worth the cost \ hassle but still an option.


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coyrl wrote:
I'm currently rebuilding my Jeep liberty diesel after a major engine failure. I've purchased all necessary parts from these guys in Texas.

http://www.jeepoemparts.com/

Expensive, but I must have this car running. I can't afford another vehicle right now. Will reply back once all parts are in.


Thanks for the link.

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Are these engines only used in Jeeps?
VM makes this engine lots of other trucks..right?
I'm not sure anything on the CRD is custom..not found elsewhere..

so for the engine stuff we need to find European suppliers and the trucks this engine went into..

then the problem is solved..sure we( us in the US) would have to pay shipping from Europe..wouldn't that be better than send a Jeep to the scrap yard..and replace it with a gasser..yuk!!!

has anyone put together a list of the major problems and causes? I know several people on this board that have lost engines.

just my thinking, hey it Halloween and Sunday..you want more?? ;)

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Are these engines only used in Jeeps?
VM makes this engine lots of other trucks..right?
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R 428 DOHC

R 425 DOHC enlarged to 2.8 L (2,766 cc/168.8 cu in) displacement.

Applications:

* 2001–2007 Chrysler Voyager (Automatic transmission) (power: 150 hp (110 kW); torque: 251 ft•lbf (360 Nm))
* 2001–2004 Jeep Cherokee/Liberty (power: 150 hp (110 kW); torque: 251 ft•lbf (360 Nm)). Only in Europe
* 2005–2007 Jeep Cherokee/Liberty (power: 163 hp (120 kW); torque: 295 ft•lbf (400 Nm))
* 2008–present (mod. RA 428 DOHC) Jeep Cherokee/Liberty (power: 177 hp (130 kW); torque: 302/339 ft•lbf (410/460 Nm))
* 2004–present BMC Megastar (power: 127 hp (95 kW); torque: 184 ft•lbf (250 Nm))
* 2007–present (mod. RA 428 DOHC) Dodge Nitro (power: 177 hp (130 kW); torque: 302/339 ft•lbf (410/460 Nm))
* 2007–present (mod. RA 428 DOHC) Jeep Wrangler (power: 177 hp (130 kW); torque: 302 ft•lbf (410 Nm))
* 2010–present (mod. RA 428 DOHC) Jeep Wrangler (power: 200 hp (149 kW); torque: Manual transmisson: 302 ft•lbf (410 Nm) Automatic transmission: 339 ft•lbf (460 Nm))
* 2008–present (mod. R 428 DOHC) Chrysler Grand Voyager (Automatic transmission) power: 163 hp (120 kW); torque: 295 ft•lbf (400 Nm))

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_VM_Motori_engines

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Wow, that place gets $1,300 for the cylinder head. Ouch. Head gasket.. $95. Ouch. Everything is 2x to 4x more expensive for this engine....if you can find it.

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These are also used in alot of off shore boats and fishing vessels. I am sure if you contacted the right people in a costal town they would have a parts supplier. I know someone earlier on this post was saying that there was and issue with that. But i am sure with some persuading or maybe a small white lie you could get what you needed.

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I'm definitely interested in this thread. OTOH, the vehicles I've owned haven't had catastrophic engine failure. The single exception was a cracked block on a Ford 302.

If this engine is anywhere near the quality people think it is, most Libertys should have a reasonable life span. I do have concerns about the reliability of mine, but it's related to the electronic garbage Chrysler put under the hood. I'm not worried about the VM.

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I'm definitely interested in this thread. OTOH, the vehicles I've owned haven't had catastrophic engine failure. The single exception was a cracked block on a Ford 302.

If this engine is anywhere near the quality people think it is, most Libertys should have a reasonable life span. I do have concerns about the reliability of mine, but it's related to the electronic garbage Chrysler put under the hood. I'm not worried about the VM.


If the timing belt breaks, or the timing is sufficiently misadjusted, the pistons can meet the valves. Not sure that this can happen with the CRD, but my BMW TD engine had leaking oil seals in the turbo which allowed the engine to run on engine oil. It revved way beyond redline with the ignition off until I blocked off the air supply. That did wonders for its longevity.


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If the timing breaks due to either tensioner failure or belt failure... The pistons WILL pound every valve into the head and snap off every rocker arm. This happened to my engine, and just the PARTS (rocker arms only) were over $1000. This is the designed failure mode, to protect the pistons and the valves from further damage from contacting each other.

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The old Chrysler could have been held liable for parts... But remember they completely restructured, They do not have to honor any vehicle they don't want to. Just an example, it took almost 3months to get a piece for my front axle just because of changes in distributors and contract after the bankruptcy. If that was out of warranty I would have been SOL.


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