2012 Jeep Wrangler Fiat diesel for United States of America!

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:19 am

"A Fiat diesel is reportedly being tested by Siemens for US certification in the 2012 Wrangler." :pepper:

racertracer · **Posted:** Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:41 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

"A Fiat diesel is reportedly being tested by Siemens for US certification in the 2012 Wrangler." :pepper:

If that happens then I may be in the market for a diesel wrangler.

How do they plan to deal with emissions gas return?

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Jan 02, 2011 12:51 am

racertracer wrote:

If that happens then I may be in the market for a diesel wrangler.

How do they plan to deal with emissions gas return?

That would be a question for Mr. Mopar. I’m sure he’ll post up when he sees this thread.

MrMopar64 · **Posted:** Sun Jan 02, 2011 1:46 am

This is a long-standing rumor, I do believe. No one is using Siemens fuel injection components in this sandbox...
The Jeeps that have always been powered by VM still are, no worries.

CRD Joe · **Posted:** Sun Jan 02, 2011 2:24 am

If this happens I think Ill be in the marked for a Rubicon Wranger as well.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Sun Jan 02, 2011 3:28 am

MrMopar64 wrote:

This is a long-standing rumor, I do believe. No one is using Siemens fuel injection components in this sandbox...
The Jeeps that have always been powered by VM still are, no worries.

I knew I could depend on you to find this thread. :mrgreen:

Either way, it sounds like someone is testing a diesel for the U.S. 2012 Wrangler. I found this quote, "Fiat diesels will eventually power some Chrysler vehicles (possibly including Jeeps currently VM-powered), in export markets; however VM Motori continues to hold sway."

Pippobug · **Posted:** Sun Jan 02, 2011 6:51 am

dieselenthusiast wrote:

MrMopar64 wrote:

This is a long-standing rumor, I do believe. No one is using Siemens fuel injection components in this sandbox...
The Jeeps that have always been powered by VM still are, no worries.

I knew I could depend on you to find this thread. :mrgreen:

Either way, it sounds like someone is testing a diesel for the U.S. 2012 Wrangler. I found this quote, "Fiat diesels will eventually power some Chrysler vehicles (possibly including Jeeps currently VM-powered), in export markets; however VM Motori continues to hold sway."

If I am not wrong Fiat has bought a stake hold in Chrysler, therefore that could well happen. But Fiat 2.5L up Turbo Diesel engines are in the main ex IVECO diesel, so to a certain extent more relaible than VM motori, but VM are more powerful and smouther. If we end up with Fiat engines they will be IVECO for sure and should be nice and solid with less head gaskets bolwing like the old VM :wink:

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MrMopar64 · **Posted:** Sun Jan 02, 2011 8:55 pm

To launch a product in the fall of this year for the '12 model year, your first running prototype would've had to be built no later than mid 2010.
Those people looking for one in 2012 will have to keep the dream alive.

Anything heavy like a Jeep or such will have an SCR system to deal with the US emissions regulations. Small cars like the Jetta and such can get by with the Lean NOx trap, but the fuel economy penalty is much higher on the heavier vehicles.

geordi · **Posted:** Sun Jan 02, 2011 9:02 pm

<<--- Is not holding his breath waiting for Mopar/Fiat to pull their collective heads out of their tailpipes on this one.

Color me VERY VERY dubious that something like this will ever see the light of day. Kinda like the perennially available "in 2 years" diesel option for the Ford Ranger / F150 / Chevy 1500. They only keep saying that so they haven't completely closed the door on the possibility, and someone else doesn't swoop in and catch them unawares. The other reason to keep spinning the rumor mill about diesel options is to keep sucke... Enthusiasts, reading their press releases and articles.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sun Jan 02, 2011 11:55 pm

geordi wrote:

<<--- Is not holding his breath waiting for Mopar/Fiat to pull their collective heads out of their tailpipes on this one.

Color me VERY VERY dubious that something like this will ever see the light of day. Kinda like the perennially available "in 2 years" diesel option for the Ford Ranger / F150 / Chevy 1500. They only keep saying that so they haven't completely closed the door on the possibility, and someone else doesn't swoop in and catch them unawares. The other reason to keep spinning the rumor mill about diesel options is to keep sucke... Enthusiasts, reading their press releases and articles.

Well count out Ford since they started putting the 3.6 EcoBoost V6's in the F150's(rangers are no more),and count out GM since the bailout the baby Max is long gone.

audiboy86 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:13 am

I have to somewhat agree that they just keep spinning the diesel idea to everyone to to keep the press intrest. But i myself believe they are waiting on this little indian company to release thier pick-ups first to see how they go. I can almost promise you that the Indian company will be first then Chrysler will step back in with another small diesel or ford with the Mini-Powerstroke like the put in some flat nose delivery trucks.

CRD Joe · **Posted:** Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:45 am

Ya, Ill see it when I believe it too! Er, something like that.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:45 am

It really seems to boil down to meeting U.S. emissions. I subscribe to several Jeep magazines and 3 diesel magazines. I read bits and pieces of different rumors, quotes from CEO’s, and other discussions concerning the future of diesel engines. Chrysler/Dodge/Jeep seem to have the most frequent/consistent and more open discussions concerning small diesels. But I’m starting to see a central theme, and that’s EPA and EMISSIONS. I did read that the Grand Cherokee CRD was a big disappointment for Chrysler, meaning that there wasn’t enough interest. I personally think they would sell more diesels in a Dodge Ram 1500 or Dodge Dakota than they would in a Grand Cherokee. I think the same goes for the Wrangler. For every one diesel Wrangler sold, they would probably sell 20 gasoline Wranglers. I have no data to support that opinion, but if a Wrangler CRD sold like the Grand Cherokee CRD, then that might be true.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Mon Jan 03, 2011 1:53 am

Plus, I think it’s confirmed that the 2012 Wrangler will be getting the Pentastar V6, so that might shake things up a bit. :dizzy:

audiboy86 · **Posted:** Mon Jan 03, 2011 2:07 am

I love the idea of the diesel wrangler but i can still not say i like the idea of a V-6 version. I know it has been years since the I6 was removed from the line up but i would still much rather have it. Chrysler said one of the main reason for scraping the inline was emissions (getting really tired of that word) but all it would of taken was some more refineing. And then you would of had a gas motor with diesel like torque and probably decent gas mileage. Both of which are currently a major short fall in the current V-6 platform.

Sorry for the post hijack :goink:

flman · **Posted:** Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:45 am

CRD Joe wrote:

Ya, Ill see it when I believe it too! Er, something like that.

X3, I am not going to lose a wink of sleep over this, another falsehood. :dead:

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Mon Jan 03, 2011 7:49 am

audiboy86 wrote:

Chrysler said one of the main reason for scraping the inline was emissions (getting really tired of that word) but all it would of taken was some more refineing. :goink:

Take a good look at the 4.0 I6 engine. It would take more then "some more refining" :-)r

I have one sitting in my garage with 152k miles and running strong. But that engine dosen't even have a cross flow head, let alone overhead cam shaft. It's a good engine but way past it's prime :dead:

Mine warms up by the end of the driveway it's so ineffecient. But my Cherokee Classic is almost as fun to drive as my "full torque eco" tune, pre F37 TCM CRD :JEEPIN:

I too am watching the Mahindra and Global Vehicles soap opera. That if nothing else is going to sink Mahindra in the US :dead:

geordi · **Posted:** Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:44 am

The other problem for Mahindra in the USA is anyone that watched "IRT: Deadliest Roads" and saw Indian truck design.

I'm waiting for them to actually EXIST at a dealer, just like I'm waiting for the Volt to do the same. I want to actually drive the thing, then give it a year or so to work out the bugs. I'm not rich enough to have multiple new cars just waiting to be driven, with the prices they charge for these things.

dieselenthusiast · **Posted:** Mon Jan 03, 2011 11:46 am

Joe Romas wrote:

But my Cherokee Classic is almost as fun to drive as my "full torque eco" tune, pre F37 TCM CRD :JEEPIN:

I love my Cherokee.............. :rockon:

I'm thinking about buying another one. :wink:

Joe Romas wrote:

I too am watching the Mahindra and Global Vehicles soap opera. That if nothing else is going to sink Mahindra in the US :dead:

I hate to say it, but it sure seems like there's a group of people out there who are working hard to keep diesel out of America. Heck, it's making it harder and harder for Cummins, Powerstroke, and Duramax to keep up with the EPA demand. :cry:

geordi · **Posted:** Mon Jan 03, 2011 12:15 pm

You got room under your tinfoil hat for me? I'm right there with ya on that theory, and I suspect we are not alone in this belief either.

I can't remember where I read it, but a long time ago (right after the most recent level of Euro restrictions came out) I remember reading a response where someone from CARB or the EPA was commenting on the Euro restrictions. Their comment was something like: Those restrictions are a step in the right direction, but we have a responsibility at (Carb / EPA) to protect the American Public from highly dangerous transportation pollution with even stronger restrictions.

And then they proceeded to put out these DPF / Pisswasser requirements, while completely ignoring the fact that TIRES create more particulate dust than diesels ever could, or that a non-mobile coal power plant is a single point-source of CO2 equal to 3 million cars and trucks... And did nothing about either.

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