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jinstall · **Posted:** Fri Jan 28, 2011 8:10 am

The issues is I do not have to space nor the time to do this type of work where I live. NVA just plain sucks because of the traffic. IF I was back in Germany and had a everything accessable, I would be doing this myself. Actually I would not be doing this myself because the dealer there would have fixed the Fing Jeep right the first time because they have mechanics that know what they are doing. But I understand what you are saying, I just do not have the time and resources I need to do this type of repair.

BTW this is the new DD till the KJ is fixed:

OldSkull · **Posted:** Fri Jan 28, 2011 10:05 am

Sir Sam wrote:

jinstall wrote:

AUGH i justs got a call form Jeep and they said the ETA on the engine is 2 MARCH2011. GGGRRRRR

That wrecked CRD is coming up for auction next week. Still not too late.

That wrecked CRD sold for $850 last week.

G....I never let pass a deal like that! Gosh! Wish I find this kind of deal once in my lifetime! Next time you find one with a good trans/engine PM me young gun I promise to get there with a trailer and send you money for the rig and your time!

jinstall · **Posted:** Wed Feb 09, 2011 11:41 pm

ETA is now 29 March 2011.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Thu Feb 10, 2011 5:32 pm

OldSkull wrote:

Sir Sam wrote:

That wrecked CRD is coming up for auction next week. Still not too late.

That wrecked CRD sold for $850 last week.

G....I never let pass a deal like that! Gosh! Wish I find this kind of deal once in my lifetime! Next time you find one with a good trans/engine PM me young gun I promise to get there with a trailer and send you money for the rig and your time!

Well I post these things up, give people the chance, but no one ever follows through.......................and for $850 people go.......jee thats a no brainer.

But what about $2000, $2400, or $2800? or $3400? or $4600?
Those are just a few of the prices out there that I have seen CRD's sell for, in various states of dis-repair. (The $2400 figure was for a lightly wrecked one back in 2006 when it was less than a year old.....THAT was a good deal)

Roostre · **Joined:** Sun Oct 24, 2010 3:57 pm **Posts:** 195

Sir Sam wrote:

Well I post these things up, give people the chance, but no one ever follows through.......................and for $850 people go.......jee thats a no brainer.

But what about $2000, $2400, or $2800? or $3400? or $4600?
Those are just a few of the prices out there that I have seen CRD's sell for, in various states of dis-repair. (The $2400 figure was for a lightly wrecked one back in 2006 when it was less than a year old.....THAT was a good deal)

I must have missed the posts... I would pay $2500 for a CRD that has not been hit in the motor in a heartbeat. :dizzy:

Subdolphin · **Joined:** Tue May 18, 2010 8:37 pm **Posts:** 15

I'm eating lunch right now and it occurred to me I hadn't checked on this thread for quite some time. I lost interest after reading posts claiming that Jeep should pay for a new engine in a 5 yr old vehicle after the owner ran it out of oil.
My turbo went out around the end of November. I took my time but finally got psyched up to do it myself. I bought a rebuilt Garrett and a few odds and ends for a total of around $1000.
It took me several days after work etc., but i managed to pull it off. And I'm not a very talented mechanic. I'd starve if I had to do it in any kind of timeliness. But I did get it done.
There was some speculation that my engine had to be wiped out because the turbo had leaked oil, but I never felt that was the case and everything seems fine.
I was surprised to see that this other turbo failure is still not resolved. It was a forgone conclusion that no manufacturer is gonna repair your 5 year old vehicle, not under warranty.
Why one would not buy an engine from a regional engine rebuild shop, I don't understand.
Tough to believe he's a purist about the type of engine, remember, the previous engine was run out of oil.
Now I could believe some of the techies posting here would fight to repair a Liberty simply because some mechanically-inclined types just refuse to let a machine beat 'em. I understand and respect that.
But this is a 6 yr old Jeep Liberty, run out of oil by a nonwrencher. I don't get the importing an engine.
The one technical thing I got out of this is:
-A turbo going out does not mean your engine is ruined
-Failure trends in these turbo units happen very quickly and catastrophically so monitoring is of marginal benefit.
-Keeping up with oil changes is a critical requirement.
-Jeep/Chrysler say it repeatedly, ALLOW THESE TURBOS TO ADEQUATELY COOL AFTER OPERATION!

tonycrd · **Posted:** Fri Feb 18, 2011 2:02 pm

Budke ran it out of oil.

Jins just got unlucky and a massive oil leak within the turbo emptied the sump in a few secs.

Could happen to anyone.

Subdolphin · **Joined:** Tue May 18, 2010 8:37 pm **Posts:** 15

Right, nobody said it couldn't. But fix it and move on.
I guess there could be some venturi phenomenon where the oil gets pulled out through one of the turbo oil tubes faster upon a seal failure, but I doubt it. It generally takes more than a few seconds to pump 6 1/2 qts of oil through a 1/4" tube.
Coupled with the idea that the idiot light and engine light coincidentally failed as well and your talking about one amazing convergence of bad luck.

There was already a concern that warranted a visit to the dealer and then :

"...Going up a long grade on I40 it started smoking heavily and then loosing power. I got a ready to exit and then the engine started knocking, I coasted up the exit ramp and just off tot he side when the engine choked itself out. I check the oil and it was empty. It was at the dealer the day before to be checked and they said it would be good to get back home, well it only made it 60 miles before it died...."

JL Rockies · **Posted:** Fri Feb 18, 2011 3:53 pm

Why are we talking about this? Who is Subdolphin and why should I care if he/she lost interest in the forum or not?

OldSkull · **Posted:** Fri Feb 18, 2011 8:58 pm

He made is point...I try to made mine...Maybe the guy have take a wrong decision or maybe he just never understand what he was dealing with, I dont know and I dont care, instead of judging him I prefer to be quiet and left others more qualified on the subject help him.

Forum are there to share our experiences and mistakes, good or bad we alway's learn from them.

MY :2cents:

Subdolphin · **Joined:** Tue May 18, 2010 8:37 pm **Posts:** 15

You shouldn't care, but then again you're an "addict" so I would guess you operate in an altered reality anyway.
I was under the impression this was a tech board, but I wonder now whether many of you guys even have jeeps or even drive. Many threads appear to be more about people trying top each others problems with little or no technical advice.
And c'mon, someone breaks down and one of you dudes are gonna drive hundreds of miles to rescue him?
Why? Because you drive the same kind of vehicle? I'd bet most of you wouldn't have the gas money even if you wanted to. Silly. (AAA is $83/yr)
We're talkin' about Jeep Liberty's! It's a cheap little diesel SUV, nothing more. Jeeez!

flman · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 10:00 am

Subdolphin wrote:

Right, nobody said it couldn't. But fix it and move on.
I guess there could be some venturi phenomenon where the oil gets pulled out through one of the turbo oil tubes faster upon a seal failure, but I doubt it. It generally takes more than a few seconds to pump 6 1/2 qts of oil through a 1/4" tube.
Coupled with the idea that the idiot light and engine light coincidentally failed as well and your talking about one amazing convergence of bad luck.

There was already a concern that warranted a visit to the dealer and then :

"...Going up a long grade on I40 it started smoking heavily and then loosing power. I got a ready to exit and then the engine started knocking, I coasted up the exit ramp and just off tot he side when the engine choked itself out. I check the oil and it was empty. It was at the dealer the day before to be checked and they said it would be good to get back home, well it only made it 60 miles before it died...."

I have my opinions about this too, but I am gonna just watch. :POPCORN:

GreenDieselEngineering · **Joined:** Sun Jun 07, 2009 5:10 pm **Posts:** 1111

Jinstall,

Is the engine you ordered from Europe specified for the US application or is it just a European spec KJ CRD engine? The part numbers for the US version and Euro version VM 2.8l engine (for KJ) are different. The engine for US is equipped with a fuel system 'wear package' to handle the worse lubricity of our fuel. The hardened coatings are on internal high pressure bleed ports and on some of the 5-7 micron tolerance parts. This includes the fuel pump, injectors and PCV on rail. You can certainly run the Euro spec engine here, but long term the fuel system could wear out prematurely. Good luck.

Squeeto · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 12:07 pm

Subdolphin wrote:

You shouldn't care, but then again you're an "addict" so I would guess you operate in an altered reality anyway.
I was under the impression this was a tech board, but I wonder now whether many of you guys even have jeeps or even drive. Many threads appear to be more about people trying top each others problems with little or no technical advice.
And c'mon, someone breaks down and one of you dudes are gonna drive hundreds of miles to rescue him?
Why? Because you drive the same kind of vehicle? I'd bet most of you wouldn't have the gas money even if you wanted to. Silly. (AAA is $83/yr)
We're talkin' about Jeep Liberty's! It's a cheap little diesel SUV, nothing more. Jeeez!

I love my Jeep. It is good on fuel and can pull my camping trailer without worry. I can't find anything that makes me feel better to drive.

I drove it from an island off Canada's West coast all the way through the Oregon coast and beyond and never worried about breaking down. This after I learned about how to fix the rough idle because of air in the fuel filter from this forum. The dealer sure had no clue.

It is a brotherhood here. People are willing to share and help. It's all good.

OldSkull · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 1:44 pm

Squeeto wrote:

I love my Jeep. It is good on fuel and can pull my camping trailer without worry. I can't find anything that makes me feel better to drive.

I drove it from an island off Canada's West coast all the way through the Oregon coast and beyond and never worried about breaking down. This after I learned about how to fix the rough idle because of air in the fuel filter from this forum. The dealer sure had no clue.

It is a brotherhood here. People are willing to share and help. It's all good.

Well said brother! If you ever travel to the Est Canadian coast and need help or tools You can count on me! I'm addicted to good fellows and friends! :mrgreen:

Oh and I think I can pay for a B5 tank with my welfare check :ROTFL:

PS: Sorry for the Hijack Jinstall..by the way Keith got a good point about europeen engine..

tonycrd · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 2:59 pm

Subdolphin wrote:

I was under the impression this was a tech board, but I wonder now whether many of you guys even have jeeps or even drive.

Hmmm, 'board'....this is a community. Of JEEP owners. This is the KJ CRD section, in here we are like family. We do tech, but we also chitchat and help eachother with whatever. Dunno what you are looking for exactly. Kicking a guy while he's already down doesn't help much if you were looking for a warm welcome.

Subdolphin wrote:

Many threads appear to be more about people trying top each others problems with little or no technical advice.

Then you haven't spend enough time here.

Subdolphin wrote:

And c'mon, someone breaks down and one of you dudes are gonna drive hundreds of miles to rescue him?
Why? Because you drive the same kind of vehicle? I'd bet most of you wouldn't have the gas money even if you wanted to. Silly. (AAA is $83/yr)

I flew over to the US to be at a M&G with other LOST members...that's 9000 miles. You think I wouldn't drive whatever to help a LOST brother out?

Subdolphin wrote:

We're talkin' about Jeep Liberty's! It's a cheap little diesel SUV, nothing more. Jeeez!

Not to us. And I am not going to explain why because you'd never get it.

Back on topic:

A co-worker of mine blew up his little 1.9 DCI diesel engine because of a turbo oil leak, like Jins he couldn't stop when it started smoking heavily, then it started running on it's own oil. Since the car started accelerating by itself he got spooked and so kicked the clutch pedal...then rev's went through the roof and it did kaboom.

jinstall · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:03 pm

Sorry I have been out for a spell. I will try and get all these questions answered.

Subdolphin FYI I am an idiot and I don't wrench on cars, I can barely change the oil in them. My wife has to change the brakes on the cars. She also built the race car in Germany and has won her class 3 times in Germany. I make make sure her water bottles are filled when she needs them.

jinstall · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:07 pm

GreenDieselEngineering wrote:

Jinstall,

Is the engine you ordered from Europe specified for the US application or is it just a European spec KJ CRD engine? The part numbers for the US version and Euro version VM 2.8l engine (for KJ) are different. The engine for US is equipped with a fuel system 'wear package' to handle the worse lubricity of our fuel. The hardened coatings are on internal high pressure bleed ports and on some of the 5-7 micron tolerance parts. This includes the fuel pump, injectors and PCV on rail. You can certainly run the Euro spec engine here, but long term the fuel system could wear out prematurely. Good luck.

Jeep said the engine had to be built in Italy and shipped to the US. It is in fact a US Spec engine and the reason it is taking so long to build. This is a complete long block so some items will have to be exchanged from the old one.

BTW the cheapest quote on a rebuild of the engine was $10,000 from a company in Houston TX. That was parts and Labor no shipping. An e-spec engine would have been 6200 euros from th dealer in Germany.

jinstall · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:09 pm

OldSkull wrote:

Squeeto wrote:

I love my Jeep. It is good on fuel and can pull my camping trailer without worry. I can't find anything that makes me feel better to drive.

I drove it from an island off Canada's West coast all the way through the Oregon coast and beyond and never worried about breaking down. This after I learned about how to fix the rough idle because of air in the fuel filter from this forum. The dealer sure had no clue.

It is a brotherhood here. People are willing to share and help. It's all good.

Well said brother! If you ever travel to the Est Canadian coast and need help or tools You can count on me! I'm addicted to good fellows and friends! :mrgreen:

Oh and I think I can pay for a B5 tank with my welfare check :ROTFL:

PS: Sorry for the Hijack Jinstall..by the way Keith got a good point about europeen engine..

No worries, side-line quarterbacks always make me laugh.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Sat Feb 19, 2011 8:15 pm

Subdolphin

You wouldn't understand, it's a jeep thing :jester:

It may be a cheap diesel jeep to you but to most of us it's a one of a kind and worth a overcoming a few shortcomings :JEEPIN:

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