It is currently Thu Oct 02, 2025 8:03 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: starting help please
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 10:28 am 
Offline
LOST Newbie

Joined: Wed Nov 29, 2006 9:58 am
Posts: 48
Location: Mississippi
2005 Liberty CRD, symptoms are: cranks easily and runs great if temp is in the 60's or higher but won't start below that except when the block heater is plugged in. Jeep shop and an independent shop both checked it and said that the glow plugs were working and could find nothing wrong with it. Also after it has been run and is fully warmed to operating temperature it is again hard to start. I need to get it fixed, I'm ready to sell or trade for a Wrangler.

_________________
2005 CRD with 125,000 miles. Replaced with a Wrangler
2002 Dodge Ram 1500 with 332,000 miles. Still runs like new.
Four labs and a mixed breed I rescued. (Three labs, Delta has gone to heaven)
Pro-Drive boat and motor for duck hunting with the labs.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: starting help please
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 3:56 pm 
Offline
LOST Newbie
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:56 pm
Posts: 73
Location: Minneapolis, MN
Do you know what kind of diagnostics your mechanics ran? If you can post everything that for sure checked out OK, it will give people here a good place to start. Also, I assume no fault codes since the dealer didn't mention it... Is that right?

_________________
- Tom

2005 KJ CRD
GDE Eco tune | Ram/Cummins lift pump | Samco IC hoses
OME lift | Treadwright Warden 265/75R16 | front & rear hitches | Mopar skids
Uniden Pro 520XL | GlowShift boost gauge| WeatherTech mats | some other funny business


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: starting help please
PostPosted: Wed Mar 09, 2011 11:24 pm 
Offline
LOST Junkie

Joined: Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:24 pm
Posts: 902
Could be a variety of issues Before doing anything please consider the following:
1. Installation of a lift pump. I have a Kennedy lift pump and it noticeably improves starting
2. Replace fuel head with a Racor one. The racor fuel head is awesome and is made to fit the Liberty (same mount pattern) and can use temp sensor, has fuel heater, and WIF sensor port. Air in system can cause hard starting.

If neither of these help, please measure resistance of each glow plug. I've had incredibly hard starts even when the plugs were at the upper normal range limit of acceptable resistance values. Replacing them allowed me to start as low as -18 deg F with no issues.

If that doesn't work, a stuck EGR (stuck open) or a partially stuck closed Air Flow Control valve can also cause hard start issues but probably be and issue for both warm and cold starts.

Also, if your battery is >3 years old, it could be the battery. As temps decrease, battery capacity also is reduced. Glow plugs turn on about 40 deg F which puts further drain/strain on battery. Crank speed on the CRD is pretty slow and marginal as far as I'm concerned and even the least amount of reduction in starter crank speed could make it harder to start....cold wx: less battery capacity, drain of glow plugs, oil viscosity increases resistance on starter....all of which can cause a start issue. Try a jump start or a fresh battery. I use a 200amp battery start assist to rule out battery when I slightly weak glow plugs.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: starting help please
PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:00 am 
Offline
LOST Newbie

Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:18 am
Posts: 48
Location: BC Canada
This sounds very similar to a recent topic I read from one of the guys here. An injector shop ended up finding a problem with one of his injectors. I think it had something to do with loosing pressure through in injector #4. I'm not sure if I will have time to find the topic though.

_________________
05 CRD, F37 and ball joint recall.
Brought to Canada from Wash. state,
no warranty :)
Trying new style Mopar Filter Head installed Jan 27/09.
I think it's Blue, my wife thinks it's green


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: starting help please
PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:18 am 
Offline
LOST Newbie

Joined: Mon Jan 19, 2009 4:18 am
Posts: 48
Location: BC Canada
Sidebrake: does this sound kind of like the injector problem you had?

jimaire: check out: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=57632&p=655079&hilit=crank+but+no+start#p655079

_________________
05 CRD, F37 and ball joint recall.
Brought to Canada from Wash. state,
no warranty :)
Trying new style Mopar Filter Head installed Jan 27/09.
I think it's Blue, my wife thinks it's green


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: starting help please
PostPosted: Sun Mar 13, 2011 1:31 am 
Offline
LOST Newbie
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jul 12, 2010 9:56 pm
Posts: 73
Location: Minneapolis, MN
dtempler wrote:
Sidebrake: does this sound kind of like the injector problem you had?

jimaire: check out: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=57632&p=655079&hilit=crank+but+no+start#p655079


Its definitely possible... but it would be helpful to know what all has been tested on his CRD.

I'm working on a something that might help if it is in fact a fuel issue: viewtopic.php?f=5&t=59446

_________________
- Tom

2005 KJ CRD
GDE Eco tune | Ram/Cummins lift pump | Samco IC hoses
OME lift | Treadwright Warden 265/75R16 | front & rear hitches | Mopar skids
Uniden Pro 520XL | GlowShift boost gauge| WeatherTech mats | some other funny business


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 6 posts ] 

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 56 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group. Color scheme by ColorizeIt!
Logo by pixeldecals.com