Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

dieseldoesit · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:02 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

When you put in the right request Google responds, instead of posting a link, I am providing the table:

Warp, NOx is mono-nitrogen oxides, NO and NO2 (nitric oxide and nitrogen dioxide)

Your table shows nitrous oxide (N20)

These are very different.

Interesting that your source for the table seems to be the hippies at the EPA?

http://www.epa.gov/nitrousoxide/sources.html

This is the one for Nitrogen Oxides... OOPS...
http://www.epa.gov/air/emissions/nox.htm

warp2diesel wrote:

Note that on and off highway vehicles are the top, followed by electricity generation....
Worrying about CO2 emissions and ratcheting up the NOX regulations to where Agriculture puts out 6.9 times more than all forms of transportation, is also very stupid.

You are right it is stupid... since it isn't true. The number should be agriculture (assumed from fertilizer and livestock number) puts our 0.000197 times transportation...
I think you owe a hippy a hug...

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:26 pm

onthehunt wrote:

This is old news but the lawsuit is still going on. I know my company is part of it. It's more than just the DPF's. Many cam and valve failures with the C-13. Also had a broken crank last week. Not a good engine IMHO.

Whats the Oil Analysis on the Failed Engines?
Any sign of oil dilution by fuel like Amzoil points out in their You Tube Postings?

flman · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:31 pm

JL Rockies wrote:

Why is this in the CRD section?

Maybe the gasoline people should have it in their section? I am sure they would be all over the topic, it is the main reason they visit this site is for the diesels. :roll:

flman · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:31 pm

Deleted, duplicate post. Where is the delete button?

flman · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:35 pm

dieseldoesit wrote:

NOx seems to be mainly formed only during high temperatures... ie combustion..

Speaking of NOx, I was following a mid to heavy truck today, it must have been in regen, because it smelled like a foundry. I would prefer the sweet smell of a diesel exhaust, to the poisonous NOx fumes.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:35 pm

dieseldoesit wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

When you put in the right request Google responds, instead of posting a link, I am providing the table:

Warp, NOx is mono-nitrogen oxides, NO and NO2 (nitric oxide and nitrogen dioxide)

Your table shows nitrous oxide (N20)

These are very different.

Interesting that your source for the table seems to be the hippies at the EPA?

http://www.epa.gov/nitrousoxide/sources.html

This is the one for Nitrogen Oxides... OOPS...
http://www.epa.gov/air/emissions/nox.htm

warp2diesel wrote:

Note that on and off highway vehicles are the top, followed by electricity generation....
Worrying about CO2 emissions and ratcheting up the NOX regulations to where Agriculture puts out 6.9 times more than all forms of transportation, is also very stupid.

You are right it is stupid... since it isn't true. The number should be agriculture (assumed from fertilizer and livestock number) puts our 0.000197 times transportation...
I think you owe a hippy a hug...

I have a pet Polar Bear that will be happy to give all of them a big hug, if he runs out of fish to eat.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:38 pm

flman wrote:

dieseldoesit wrote:

NOx seems to be mainly formed only during high temperatures... ie combustion..

Speaking of NOx, I was following a mid to heavy truck today, it must have been in regen, because it smelled like a foundry. I would prefer the sweet smell of a diesel exhaust, to the poisonous NOx fumes.

X2, create more pollution to prevent particulates from going into the air for a few seconds and falling on the ground. If we could turn all the carbon soot into CZs, the EPA would find a problem :ROTFL:

DDI: Come on show us the table with diesel particulates Vs Roach droppings (the insect not pot) in causing asthma attacks. :POPCORN:

How about the harm full effects of Synthetic Di hydrogen Monoxide? :POPCORN:

What about N2 emissions ( :ROTFL:

) from DEF equipped OTR Trucks? :POPCORN:

Woops, CARB/EPA read this and is composing new regulations. :goink:

dieseldoesit · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 1:55 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

I have a pet Polar Bear that will be happy to give all of them a big hug, if he runs out of fish to eat.

I guess that is the closest you get to saying you were wrong? Lol

flman · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:06 pm

Sir Sam wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

Now that my Acid Head Hippie/EPA/Junk Science Fraud rant is over.

Is it really? Because I've gotten sick of you pulling out that same diatribe every other post. Now that you've said that for about the 3000th time on the forum your rant better be over.

I can't be the only one getting sick of seeing the same $h!t from you every other post, if you wanna b!tch more like that take it to off topic, I'm tired of seeing it here.

I don't totally agree with your Noob guide, but I mind my own business. No one is forced to read or follow the advice in a forum.

Being related to diesels, and the future of diesel legislation, this is 100% on topic in any diesel related forum.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:23 pm

dieseldoesit wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

I have a pet Polar Bear that will be happy to give all of them a big hug, if he runs out of fish to eat.

I guess that is the closest you get to saying you were wrong? Lol

CaCa El Polo, need to get to work, so I can do something that helps the environment, not a political agenda. You will bet I have a retort when I have the time. Try not to blow your self up or poison yourself.

dieseldoesit · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:33 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

dieseldoesit wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

I have a pet Polar Bear that will be happy to give all of them a big hug, if he runs out of fish to eat.

I guess that is the closest you get to saying you were wrong? Lol

CaCa El Polo, need to get to work, so I can do something that helps the environment, not a political agenda. You will bet I have a retort when I have the time. Try not to blow your self up or poison yourself.

Interesting that you need to formulate a retort to explain your misunderstanding between N20, NOx, and EPA emissions regulations..

I will be waiting here eagerly... :ALONE:

flman · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 2:53 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

CaCa El Polo, need to get to work, so I can do something that helps the environment, not a political agenda. You will bet I have a retort when I have the time. Try not to blow your self up or poison yourself.

Sir Sam · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 4:42 pm

flman wrote:

Being related to diesels, and the future of diesel legislation, this is 100% on topic in any diesel related forum.

I won't disagree with you there on the Original Post. And the thread has merit and its reasonible to discuss laws and regulation. I'm just getting tired of every other post from warp being "acid head hippies this and acid head hippies that".

Frankly I'm just sick of the Rush Limbaughesque posting coming from Warp.

Examples:

warp2diesel wrote:

flman wrote:

Warp, that sounds way too complex, maybe it would be easier and cheaper to retire the acid head hippies, and CARB and the EPA would change over night. :-)r

The LSD acid damaged the DNA of all of their descendants, we will never get rid of them. In prison, they can't reproduce with their own kind so the contaminated DNA will be diluted. :-)r

warp2diesel wrote:

Don't get me wrong, the acid head hippies in the EPA who are cooking up regulations based upon Junk Science should be charged with Fraud, convicted, sent to Federal Prison and us Diesel owners should be able to make contributions to the prison tattoo artist so they could decorate the backsides of the acid head hippies. As far as I am concerned the EPA acid head hippies treat Diesel owners as bad as the Taliban treats women :furious:

warp2diesel wrote:

Diesel Engines produce NOX (Nitrous Oxides) by high compression where Nitrogen forms bonds with Oxygen.
Under under almost perfect conditions, NOX will form Smog in places like LA, Las Vegas, and other Western Desert Valley areas. If you see the same NOX rich stuff with out the added exhaust over a Midwest corn field it is called HAZE. Waste Water Treatment produces NOX so the treated water does not kill fish, acid head hippies have not yet tried going after Waste Water Treatment, guess they don't want to get sick and die from the results of their actions.

Plants produce NOX by just growing, it is just part of Nature. In fact according to EPA published documents show that Agriculture produces 6.9 times more NOX than all forms of mobile transportation. acid head hippies are afraid to find out how much none Agriculture plants, trees and algae produce NOX because it would blow their case to where guys like George Soros plan to retire with their best friends (I don't want to use the "H" word).

More proof the case the EPA/CARB built against Diesels is pure WACKO Political Agenda based upon Complete Junk Science.

Their Global Warming/Climate Change Junk Science is falling apart as well, you would think they would learn that lies and falsified data just come back to haunt them.

Perhaps our Grand Children will find the NOX Hysteria, Global Warming Hysteria, and Climate Change Hysteria as stupid as Female Hysteria in the late 1800's. Even though there were Doctors treating Female Hysteria as a specialty and making good money doing it, it all turned out to be Total Junk Science, thank Goodness.

warp2diesel wrote:

With all due respect, the Gullible Elected Idiots who are bought and paid for, pass the Laws, the acid head hippies who run the EPA are grossly misinformed about the Environment grind out the Regulations to pursue their Political Agenda. To back up this point, how many Elected Idiots say that, that is not what they voted for? How many Elected Idiots fell for Cap & Trade and now reject it when the scam behind it was brought to light? Quite a few, or too many?

One jerk who has the initials G.S., bought many elected idiots, bankrupted foreign countries, has no faith in any religion, but is a self proclaimed Scholar of Lucifer. You have one of the authors of the current Political agenda of the EPA.

What do the acid head hippies and the self proclaimed god and Scholar of Lucifer have as a common goal, eliminating personal freedom weather it is driving a Diesel, owing a firearm or going on a public trail. By selecting out diesels, they are practicing the old tactic of dividing to conquer.

warp2diesel wrote:

Ever gallon of diesel fuel produces 1 gallon of Synthetic Di-Hydrogen Monoxide (Water) :ROTFL:

I love telling this to acid head hippies drinking Starbucks Coffee. :ROTFL:

warp2diesel wrote:

Besides, unless the EPA budget gets chopped and the acid head hippies get fired, they will start taxing the C02 used to make carbonated water used in soda. Guinness uses nitrogen for its' carbonation, better for the environment :roll:

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warp2diesel wrote:

For every gallon of fuel burned, Gasoline, Diesel, or Jet Fuel there is ~one gallon of synthetic water produced. Propane and Natural Gas also produce water, just a little less. That is why when it is cold outside, the synthetic water looks like steam coming out the tail pipe. With a Diesel the soot mixes in with the steam and drips black oily looking slop, this is normal. Don't worry about it, the trees, grass, other plants, and bacteria will use it up to grow.

Now if you want to make a Hippie spit out his/her Starbucks, tell them their Starbucks is contaminated with Synthetic Di-Hydrogen Monoxide (H2O--Water) :ROTFL:

Non hippies will not care and say so what and drink their coffee, acid head hippies will try to create new environmental regulations until the Chemists, Engineers, and Physicists laugh them out of the room, because even they get it.

warp2diesel wrote:

My personal opinion is that not all of the hippies who used LSD had the talent to be Musicians, Actors, or Artists. So the rest of the acid head hippies who did not die from an overdose, went to work for Academia, CARB, or the EPA.
So if you are worried about NOX emissions out of your CRD, rip out your lawn and put in AstroTurf. :ROTFL:

warp2diesel wrote:

Then you can see the Holy Device that is a Religious Symbol to the cult of Diesel Hating acid head hippies.

warp2diesel wrote:

The only laws that allow you to do what you want with the EGR pipe are the Laws of Physics.
Sir Isac Newton will not roll over or tremor in his grave over your proposed modification.
All the rest of the Laws regarding your proposed modification, were inspired by acid head hippies draining our tax dollars through Academic Welfare for so called Research that had predetermined conclusions. Then, Actors who had no talent but could get through Law School ran for public office and voted laws onto the books that were later spun into regulations by the acid head hippies in CARB and the EPA. Do any of these laws that limit Nitrous Oxides have anything to do with the environmental quality? Generally no and only under extreme conditions or in the hallucinogenic trips in the minds of the acid head hippies does Nitrous Oxides create any smog as they claim. It is a well known fact as reported by the EPA which CARB agrees with that Agriculture produces 6.9 times more Nitrous Oxides than all forms of mobile transportation. But, like a pedophile going after children, CARB and the EPA go after the easy Target, people who use mobile transportation.
After all the acid head hippies would complain if their vegies were taken away.

warp2diesel wrote:

The acid head hippies in the EPA and CARB need to have their wings clipped.
They have gone on a wacko mission using false science and fraud that is beyond doing anything for the Environment.
Lets hope the U S Supreme Court cuts their power and Congress cuts their funding.

warp2diesel wrote:

acid head hippies over here and Hash head hippies in Europe who want to see the Auto Companies jump through hoops trying to reduce emissions for the first block of driving, maybe two blocks on a cold day.
The hippies don't care about hard/no starts either, they are anti car/truck/suv jerks:twisted:
Nothing more or less. :wink:

warp2diesel wrote:

With the acid head hippies and their surfs on the pay roll, the more stealth the plug the better.

warp2diesel wrote:

No Land Rover TDIs are available in the US, too many acid head hippies got jobs in the EPA and CARB. :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

warp2diesel wrote:

Lets develop a time machine and find a way to get Albert Hofmann the guy who invented Lysergic acid diethylamide in 1936, get him to OD on the crap in the lab so he torches the lab and looses the formula for ever.
That way there would never be any acid head hippies who took over the EPA, instead they would all be Organic Pot heads and not care as long as they could get their Organic Pot. Regulations would be much more reasonable and we could all have the Diesels we want as long as the soot did not blacken the Pot growing in the fields.
In fact I would be ripping Subaru Diesels right now, Just a thought. :BANANA:

warp2diesel wrote:

Must be what happens when two acid head hippies don't use Birth Control, may be why his Parents were out of the picture, they were off on another dimension of reality. :ROTFL:

warp2diesel wrote:

Sounds a lot like, "REFLEX", has he been reincarnated?
Some of his Theories were as shocking and wild as his insults.

Anyway, acid head hippies are more apt to drive a Prius than a CRD, just a little factoid.

warp2diesel wrote:

Didn't CAT quit the ORT Engine Sales?

If they had any sense the regen should happen when the Driver is going for a dinner break, unless you only do Buffets there is no way you can order and get out in 45 Min. For software updates, they should have a port like a USB port and put the update on a flash drive so the owner can do it at a convenient time when the truck is shut down for an oil change.

Of course Control Freak acid head hippies have no Common Sense, would never do any thing that makes sense and their regulations prove my point.

Don't want to get Political and get the thread locked, but no COW FART CHASERS are getting my vote! :banghead: :banghead: :banghead:

warp2diesel wrote:

Current configurations of DPF are all Bean Counter Engineering designed with EPA/acid head hippies Specifications influence. Performance Trans/Converter Suppliers like SunCoast and engine performance suppliers want others to come up with performance DEFs so there is still a market for their products.
The Bean Counter Engineering Designed to EPA/acid head hippies Specifications DEFs are already causing problems on EMS equipment when they kick into Regeneration mode in the middle of an emergency call and make the EMS vehicle use less. Of course we all know what can happen if the ambulance or Fire Truck gets sidelined on route to the emergency.

Reminds me of the first generation of airbags designed to the Specifications of Ralph Nader, that killed people weighing less than 165 Lbs. Since people (mostly thin Women) who weighed less than 165 Lbs buy cars as long as they are alive to use them, the Marketing people in the Auto industry over ruled the Bean Counters and got approval to design and use less deadly air bags. Anyone know how many people under 165 Lbs were killed by Air Bags built to Ralph Nader's Specifications :?:

warp2diesel wrote:

I have stated several times that both EPA and CARB are out of control and both run by the acid head hippies who fried their neurons back in the 1960s. Looks like at least the EPA listened to their Legal Staff for once. Like any Government Agency they want to perpetuate their existence and having all their Lawyers running ragged in Court cuts into their budget. One Stay from a Judge can tie them up for many years on the way to one of the few Government Bodies they fear, The US Supreme Court.
Some may ask what does this have to do with me since I don't hunt, fish, or target shoot. Well, the EPA has Farm Dust being a pollutant being kicked around, Trail Dust, and Construction Site Dust are next.
Keeping our Liberty as the Founding Fathers wanted is the best way to keep our Liberty's, Wranglers, Grand Cherokees, Cherokees, and all Jeeps in general.
In my opinion, their budget needs to be cut to the bare bone.

http://politics.usnews.com/news/washing ... tests.html

warp2diesel wrote:

Gassers are getting Urea too.
My brother who works foe Ford told me the new gasser Fords need it to pass the nitrous oxide regulations.
More proof that the acid head hippies who run the EPA are out of control.
Time to cut their funding, their power, curtail their interpretation of the regulations, base the regulations on real science, and start downsizing the EPA. :furious:

warp2diesel wrote:

You mean that all the acid head Global Warming hippies who say that Iceland is melting away are Liars :?:

warp2diesel wrote:

Since the acid head hippies of CARB did not bless the Jeep Dealers selling your rig as new. Look for an independent shop that services Sprinters and Dodge Ram Cummins. These guys will be smarter and know a lot more than any Jeep dealer when it comes to a CRD. If you can't find a listing for these guys, go the next rung up and look for a shop that services Diesel Injection pumps and Turbochargers, chances are they would be happy to send business to the shops they service and that would weed out the Dumb @$$es who don't know what they are doing or don't pay their bills. For some strange reason, shops and other companies (Like Chrysler I suspect) that don't pay their bills have trouble ordering and getting parts.
For any enhanced engine related mods that you can't do your self or under Arnold's watch, you may want to check out some places in Nevada or Arizonan.

Better yet, get a set of expired Mexican License plates, learn a few incoherent words in Spanish and don't worry about it, they are afraid to enforce the law. Besides, what would they do to a US Citizen for impersonating an ILLEGAL? :ROTFL:

warp2diesel wrote:

I can't make this stuff up, only the acid head hippies turned into EPA employees can.

http://www.news9.com/Global/story.asp?S=12899662

Anyone have a bumper sticker that says," Eat my Dust EPA" ?

warp2diesel wrote:

http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo69/darkwaterliquor/Loctitetape.jpg

Are the acid head hippies and the TSA agents happy or sad that Loctite got around their stupid dangerous chemicals regulations? :ROTFL:

Once I was harassed by a TSA agent in Philly International for having a unopened bottle of Loctite 2760 in with my checked tool box. They confiscated it before my luggage could be loaded onto the plane.

warp2diesel wrote:

The manual trans made by Gertage is too weak for the CRD with out reducing the torque of the 2.8L. Since a bunch of us on this side of the pond are Gear heads who like more power, plus the acid head hippies who work for the EPA, only the 545RFE was offered. If you did do the swap, you would need to get a Euro ECM and do wiring changes too.
Check your drive shaft, U joints, and the vibration dampener before you yank your trans.
I would check the torque converter bolts too, loose bolts cause problems.
I went with SunCoast and Transgo to play it safe.
Even GDE is now admitting the latest SunCoast is stronger than the Euro, not that any one has torn up a SunCoast with out having loose bolts, bad front pump, or wrong fluid.

warp2diesel wrote:

http://i362.photobucket.com/albums/oo69/darkwaterliquor/Junk/CyberCommand.jpg

Hope they are looking for the acid head hippies who run CARB and the EPA instead of us.

warp2diesel wrote:

What I like about the SEGR is that it shuts off the :twisted:

EGR. Tricks employed by chip tuners to shut off the Check Engine Light only greatly reduce the amount of EGR, not eliminate it, Legislation prevents them from doing so, read the fine print in the disclaimers.
The EGR on Diesels only controls NOX emissions that were determined to be evil by acid head hippies back in the 1960s, most likely do to the fact that NOX causes uncontrolled laughing and the laughing exposed the acid head hippies for the Idiots the are.
Other sources of NOX are Agriculture (Including Organic) and Waste Water Treatment.
To be honest, you have to have almost perfect laboratory conditions to generate any smog from NOX, change one variable and it won't happen. When we had a Smog Alert in the Greater Chicago Area a few years ago, Lawn Mowing was banned for a couple days, not driving diesels. More proof the acid head hippies were/are Idiots.
Another way to control NOX is by injecting Urea into the exhaust. I am waiting to see the first Home Brew Urea Reactor, bet ya it will have a toilet on top to collect the natural fluid needed to make the urea. Besides it would be more environmentally friendly to make Urea from human urine than to crack natural gas and emit all the evil CO2. :ROTFL:

To be fair not all of those are from the CRD forum, some are from off topic, and to be fair most of those quotes are somewhat clipped for brevity. And in most warp is posting good information, but then slips into another diatribe.

Sure warp is not an unintelligent guy, and for the most part I don't disagree with him, I'm just getting tired of all the BS he is posting mixed in with everything else. This is a CRD forum, not a "Let's rant about the EPA/CARB forum and why they are a bunch of pot toking acid taking hippies who are out to kill diesel vehicles."

flman · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 6:03 pm

Thanks for all the W2D quotes I am LMAO :ROTFL:

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:07 pm

The insults I make against the top brass of the out of control CARB/EPA and their former recreational activities are intentional. They use Junk Science, fraud to support their Junk Science, and deception to prop up their lame political agenda, not save the environment. I and many others consider the top brass of these organizations to be an enemy of our freedom. Freedom that past and present generations have given their lives to defend. Today the EPA made a ruling to not allow Shell to drill for oil in Alaska, if you don't think you are paying too much for fuel, let us all know, many of us will be amused. Unless we expose these Political Agenda Hacks or what ever name you want to call them, we will let them get away with the crap they pull. If all I accomplish is wake up a few or give a Lawyer who is suing the Thieves of our Freedom and Liberty, the will to continue the fight against this enemy, I have accomplished my objective.
You see, to me my Jeep is more than driving past the High Line Crossover Vehicles in the ditch in the winter, making it in and out of the job site with out getting stuck, or going on a trail so my Wife can look for rocks she likes to collect, it is a passion. The modifications I pursue beyond the bolt it on or download into a processor, are also a passion. To fulfill one's passions, you need the Freedom to run your own life, take risk and seek the reward.
Instead of having Students of the Discipline of Engineering expand the depth of the discussion of the DPF and how the DPF curse has brought to issues to light in respect to Diesel Engines and to why they have had failures that can also effect our CRDs. They have chosen to whine and express their dislike of a name given to our enemy, but have not suggested a name that is more Kind and Gentile instead of a name that had a ring like a Commercial Jingle.
To ignore the enemy is like the Woman in the Public Service Announcement who ignored the Boa Constrictor who was wrapping around her. Sorry but I am not going to grab my ankles and give up my freedom.
If it restricts my CRD it is a CRD issue to be reckoned with.

flman · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:19 pm

Thanks Warp, did they all forget about how CARB put MTBE in our gasoline about 10 years ago, another gamble based on junk science, should we keep forgiving them for all their mistakes, or should we press our elected officials to put an end to this rogue organization. We are still paying for MTBE every time we buy fuel. As long as you have an official with common sense, you should let them know. I even sent an email to John Boehner even though he is not my representative.

Any ways MTBE............

MTBE: Over $30 million paid out by working families over ten years for extra 20 to 30 cents a gallon. Estimated $20 billion dollars more to clean up ground water around the state that is contaminated with MTBE. CARB has an army of professional liar "public information officers" who spread the CARB propaganda to keep the CARB agency budget growing every year. They spent ten years lying to both the legislature and the public about the "benefits" of MTBE in your gasoline. Finally, the legislature had to ban MTBE in your gas when scientists proved that it was a poison to our environment and you. The average working family was forced to pay out over eight thousand dollars over ten years for the MTBE poison in their gasoline in California. (They would have over $12,000 in the bank today for their childrens' education if that money had been saved and invested).

dieseldoesit · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:20 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

You are right ddi, I mistakenly used the statistic of Nitrous Oxide in my rant against the EPA. It seems that NOx is indeed mostly created from combustion processes, and on and off highway vehicles are the largest contributes. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Sounds good to me warp! :ROTFL:

for those that can't tell, warp didn't say those things and I put them in their because my sense of humor is very amature and Obama told me to do it.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:57 pm

dieseldoesit wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

You are right ddi, I mistakenly used the statistic of Nitrous Oxide in my rant against the EPA. It seems that NOx is indeed mostly created from combustion processes, and on and off highway vehicles are the largest contributes. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

Sounds good to me warp! :ROTFL:

YOU ARE A COMPLETE FRAUD AND MADE UP A FALSE QUOTE WHICH I NEVER STATED!!
JUST LIKE THOSE YOU LOOK UP TO.
GO HUG A POLAR BEAR, MAKE SURE YOU GIVE HER A BIG KISS TOO!

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 7:57 pm

People who don't use logic or reason to arrive at a opinion,
don't generally change their opinion
when shown their logic or reasoning - was wrong.

dieseldoesit · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:04 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

I LIKE TO HUG POLAR BEARS, AND I MAKE SURE TO GIVE THEM A BIG KISS TOO!

Wow, you big softy you. :goink:

for those that can't tell, warp didn't say those things and I put them in their because my sense of humor is very immature and Obama told me to do it.

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