Caterpillar drops out of the OTR engine business

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:19 pm

dieseldoesit wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

YOU ARE A COMPLETE FRAUD AND MADE UP A FALSE QUOTE WHICH I NEVER SSTATED!!
JUST LIKE THOSE YOU LOOK UP TO.
GO HUG A POLAR BEAR, MAKE SURE YOU GIVE HER A BIG KISS TOO!

Really? You mean I just made that up all by myself? jeez, it was a joke... chill out man and take in some agricultural produced N20! Just make sure you aren't near a DPF!

:goink:

After looking at your previous argument it is evident that the EPA publishes conflicting information. My table came from the EPA, and lets assume (for the sake of argument) your table came from the EPA. Since they don't know their back side from a gopher hole (popular opinion of Waste Water Treatment Operators any way), they pull out what ever they have and trow it out to the Gullible Masses. When the Urea DEF becomes more popular on diesels, they will go after N2 emissions, even when it is the desired outcome. Just like the news story against Shell, the EPA cited a village of ~200 people 70 miles away for the reason to prevent drilling. At least the Climate Change Activists sought the Professional Opinions of OB/GYN Doctors and Psychiatrists to back up their Climate Change story. I am waiting for the big Synthetic Di Hydrogen Monoxide paranoia to start, after all water is the greatest Green House Gas.
Got any tables for that :POPCORN:

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:20 pm

ATXKJ wrote:

People who don't use logic or reason to arrive at a opinion,
don't generally change their opinion
when shown their logic or reasoning - was wrong.

Must be talking about CARB/EPA

dieseldoesit · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 8:26 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

After looking at your previous argument it is evident that the EPA publishes conflicting information.

Warp, I don't think you understand that N2O is not the same as NOx. N2O makes things funny and cars go fast, NOx makes acid rain and dirty hippies.

warp2diesel wrote:

My table came from the EPA, and lets assume (for the sake of argument) your table came from the EPA.

Why don't you click on the link above the table I posted and find out for yourself?

I will even make it easy for you..

Your link, note the NiTROUS in the name, from the EPA
http://www.epa.gov/nitrousoxide/sources.html

My link, note the NOx in the name.
http://www.epa.gov/air/emissions/nox.htm

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:13 pm

dieseldoesit wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

After looking at your previous argument it is evident that the EPA publishes conflicting information.

Warp, I don't think you understand that N2O is not the same as NOx. N2O makes things funny and cars go fast, NOx makes acid rain and dirty hippies.

warp2diesel wrote:

My table came from the EPA, and lets assume (for the sake of argument) your table came from the EPA.

Why don't you click on the link above the table I posted and find out for yourself?

I will even make it easy for you..

Your link, note the NiTROUS in the name, from the EPA
http://www.epa.gov/nitrousoxide/sources.html

My link, note the NOx in the name.
http://www.epa.gov/air/emissions/nox.htm

OK Distinguished Acting Professor of Chemistry, if NOX is the problem, why does the EPA/CARB give a rats behind about Nitrous Oxide?
Nitric Oxide helps Viagra work better by dilating blood vessels, right?
Perhaps most of the CARB/EPA mouth pieces don't know the difference either and lump them together to add to the shock effect.
No body in California better cut them selves or CARB will come get them for Nitric Oxide Emissions, right?
I guess they play it safe and blame every thing lumping it all together, that is what CARB did the last time I was in California this past Winter. Guess I did not catch their scam and got duped.
Must be why CARB/EPA try to confuse CO and CO2?
OH, BTW Acid rain evidence has been found in fossils that pre date Human, Coal Fired Power Plant, and Diesel Engine existence.
Of course blaming Coal Power plants is more News Media Ratings/Political Hay generating than putting CaCO3 into the lakes of the Adirondack Mountains to neutralize the pH and make the fish alive and happy.

Getting back to NOX, I am more in favor of Urea DEF instead of EGR if I have to have one or the other. In my opinion, the Urea DEF (emits N2) should be zone activated and only be used where and when needed in areas like LA, LV, and other Large Western Vally Cities. Worrying about NOX in the Sticky Midwest Corn Fields makes no sense. Europe is starting to use Zones for some cities to restrict some vehicles from entry, I don't like the idea, but it may be coming.

dieseldoesit · **Posted:** Mon Apr 25, 2011 9:31 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

OK Distinguished Acting Professor of Chemistry, if NOX is the problem, why does the EPA/CARB give a rats behind about Nitrous Oxide?
Nitric Oxide helps Viagra work better by dilating blood vessels, right?
Perhaps most of the CARB/EPA mouth pieces don't know the difference either and lump them together to add to the shock effect.
No body in California better cut them selves or CARB will come get them for Nitric Oxide Emissions, right?
I guess they play it safe and blame every thing lumping it all together, that is what CARB did the last time I was in California this past Winter. Guess I did not catch their scam and got duped.
Must be why CARB/EPA try to confuse CO and CO2?
OH, BTW Acid rain evidence has been found in fossils that pre date Human, Coal Fired Power Plant, and Diesel Engine existence.
Of course blaming Coal Power plants is more News Media Ratings/Political Hay generating than putting CaCO3 into the lakes of the Adirondack Mountains to neutralize the pH and make the fish alive and happy.

Getting back to NOX, I am more in favor of Urea DEF instead of EGR if I have to have one or the other. In my opinion, the Urea DEF (emits N2) should be zone activated and only be used where and when needed in areas like LA, LV, and other Large Western Vally Cities. Worrying about NOX in the Sticky Midwest Corn Fields makes no sense. Europe is starting to use Zones for some cities to restrict some vehicles from entry, I don't like the idea, but it may be coming.

Yes, warp, you are correct, you did confuse NOx and N20.

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2011 8:50 am

Did anyone besides me see ZIGGY in the paper this morning :?:

April 26, 2011. I can't find a link to it.

The problem is laid out quite clearly :-)r

flman · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:19 am

Joe Romas wrote:

Did anyone besides me see ZIGGY in the paper this morning :?:

April 26, 2011. I can't find a link to it.

The problem is laid out quite clearly :-)r

Perfect

dieseldoesit · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:21 am

ATXKJ wrote:

People who don't use logic or reason to arrive at a opinion,
don't generally change their opinion
when shown their logic or reasoning - was wrong.

That is a pretty good commentary right there, and as shown in this thread.

flman · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:27 am

dieseldoesit wrote:

ATXKJ wrote:

People who don't use logic or reason to arrive at a opinion,
don't generally change their opinion
when shown their logic or reasoning - was wrong.

That is a pretty good commentary right there, and as shown in this thread.

Don't get your self all flattered :goink:

OldSkull · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:36 am

flman wrote:

Joe Romas wrote:

Did anyone besides me see ZIGGY in the paper this morning :?:

April 26, 2011. I can't find a link to it.

The problem is laid out quite clearly :-)r

Perfect

Good Find Joe! Nothing to add... :POPCORN:

onthehunt · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2011 10:53 am

Quote:

Whats the Oil Analysis on the Failed Engines?
Any sign of oil dilution by fuel like Amzoil points out in their You Tube Postings?

UOA is a crap shoot most of the time. I get bad ones all the time but nothing ever happens. The only ones we worry about is fuel/coolant dilution. Try to get a manufacturer to tear down an engine because it has high % of aluminum. It doesn't happen. They will tell you the %'s are elevated but not at condemnation level and tell you to keep monitoring it. The fuel dilution issues are no longer happening at the level they were. They have changed so many things on the regen system and software.

SLS · **Posted:** Tue Apr 26, 2011 11:31 pm

dieseldoesit wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

Worrying about CO2 emissions and ratcheting up the NOX regulations to where Agriculture puts out 6.9 times more than all forms of transportation, is also very stupid.

You have a source for this? Are you sure that you aren't mistaken in the "6.9 times" to include vehicle emissions in the agriculture section as well as NOx?

NOx seems to be mainly formed only during high temperatures... ie combustion..

I believe it's BS too!
But don't shut down the EPA lets shut down agriculture.
That Chinese rice will taste great for breakfast.

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Wed Apr 27, 2011 2:09 pm

SLS wrote:

dieseldoesit wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

Worrying about CO2 emissions and ratcheting up the NOX regulations to where Agriculture puts out 6.9 times more than all forms of transportation, is also very stupid.

You have a source for this? Are you sure that you aren't mistaken in the "6.9 times" to include vehicle emissions in the agriculture section as well as NOx?

NOx seems to be mainly formed only during high temperatures... ie combustion..

I believe it's BS too!
But don't shut down the EPA lets shut down agriculture.
That Chinese rice will taste great for breakfast.

To keep my digestive discharge working, I have to pay money to ingest the stuff made from grain hulls that they take off to process the grain. Sorry rice does not have the Fiber I need.
If they would produce more whole grain stuff, I would not have to.
On another topic:
Now if I can find a cheap way to desalinate my urine like Reverse Osmosis, I could sell it or use in my or my Wife's future Diesel.
Any one know how much beer one would have to drink to get the right concentration :?:

I am sure flman would be interested in some home brewing for his Sprinter. :mrgreen:

OH Wait Navistar and CAT don't like DEF. They would rather have their engines INHALE exhaust through a certified EGR bong, than drink DEF

flman · **Posted:** Wed Apr 27, 2011 6:34 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

To keep my digestive discharge working, I have to pay money to ingest the stuff made from grain hulls that they take off to process the grain. Sorry rice does not have the Fiber I need.
If they would produce more whole grain stuff, I would not have to.
On another topic:
Now if I can find a cheap way to desalinate my urine like Reverse Osmosis, I could sell it or use in my or my Wife's future Diesel.
Any one know how much beer one would have to drink to get the right concentration :?:

I am sure flman would be interested in some home brewing for his Sprinter. :mrgreen:

OH Wait Navistar and CAT don't like DEF. They would rather have their engines INHALE exhaust through a certified EGR bong, than drink DEF

I bought some, it was like $5 a gallon for water and piss, what a rip off :furious:

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Wed Apr 27, 2011 7:44 pm

flman wrote:

warp2diesel wrote:

To keep my digestive discharge working, I have to pay money to ingest the stuff made from grain hulls that they take off to process the grain. Sorry rice does not have the Fiber I need.
If they would produce more whole grain stuff, I would not have to.
On another topic:
Now if I can find a cheap way to desalinate my urine like Reverse Osmosis, I could sell it or use in my or my Wife's future Diesel.
Any one know how much beer one would have to drink to get the right concentration :?:

I am sure flman would be interested in some home brewing for his Sprinter. :mrgreen:

OH Wait Navistar and CAT don't like DEF. They would rather have their engines INHALE exhaust through a certified EGR bong, than drink DEF

I bought some, it was like $5 a gallon for water and piss, what a rip off :furious:

I may stand to be corrected by the Distinguished Acting Professor of Chemistry, but don't you have a Plumbing Contractor who owes you a favor and can set you up with a Refurbished Reverse Osmosis System (Harvested from a Yuppie/Hippie house)? Heck, you might get it for a couple pounds of Recovered Yuppie/Hippie Sourced R-22 :-)r

All you need to do is get rid of the salt, calcium, phosphors, and other solids and dilute it to the right level of Urea. Besides, it will be a Great Way to Recycle Beer :pepper:

dieseldoesit · **Posted:** Sat Apr 30, 2011 2:19 pm

warp2diesel wrote:

I may stand to be corrected by the Distinguished Acting Professor of Chemistry,

Is that what you call people that can read these days? Someone get this guy a set of big girl panties...

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