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 Post subject: Success! 215/85R16s fit well
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 1:55 pm 
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Recently I got two flats with my stock Goodyear Wrangler ST tires, 225s, and needed to replace them. There was not much tread left on them but the two flats were the last straw. I personally do not plan on offroading but wanted to get the best tires for my uses - which involve being able to drive anytime, anywhere and being able to depend on the Liberty to, well... give me that liberty. This means a good tire for harsh Wisconsin winters. This led to the idea of a narrower, taller tire and was interested in 215/85R16s due to the smaller contact patch and larger diameter as compared to the stock 225s. I could not find much information on the internet regarding if they would fit or not, at least there was no definitive answer. It seems like this is not a very popular tire choice, which is understandable. So I picked up some Kumho Road Venture AT KL78s due to the more aggressive tread pattern. I could have gotten Duratracs but honestly, I think they look to aggressive for such a grocery getter as the Liberty is, and the Silent Armors were $150 or so more for 5 from tirerack. The Kumhos are pretty much the same tread as the Silent Armors but cheaper. I got load range E and have not noticed any difference in the ride quality, many people made a big deal over this in the research I did, however I went ahead and decided to try them as the load range Ds are unavailable nationally for 60-90 days at the time of writing. Regardless, I find the claims of load range E tires ruining/degrading ride quality to be unfounded, there is almost no difference at all that I can detect.
Moving on though... I am posting this to show more definitive proof to people interested in this tire size that they do in fact fit, but barely. And when I say barely, I mean it. There are no issues with the pinch weld but the tire is very close to the front fender well, as you can see in my pictures. I do not plan on offroading and can't say anything about rubbing while turning with the suspension compressed. I doubt this will happen to me given my driving situation but it is a consideration for others to contemplate.
For the record, my Jeep's suspension is completely stock and has not sagged significantly.

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^ Shows the overall side profile of the vehicle now. Personally I think the tires really helped balance the look of the vehicle. I think a lot of lifted Libertys look, well, ridiculous. I wanted a more masculine appearance without having the poor Liberty look like it was straining itself or trying to be something it just never will be. That being said, it would be nice to have .5" to 1" extra clearance! Stock the body looks to tall in comparison to the relatively small tires, like the CRV and most other modern compact SUVs do. I am very pleased with the aesthetic results.

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It does not get any closer than this! As a note, I turned the wheel to show it when it is as close as possible.

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Again, I turned the wheel to show how close the tire is to the pinch weld at its closest. Plenty of room!

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Very clear view of the rear tire.

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Lookin' good.

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Love seeing the narrow profile tire from the back.


It would be great to have this information added to the Jeep Liberty Tire Size page on the Wikitube or whatever it is. :jester:


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 Post subject: Re: Success! 215/85R16s fit well
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 2:37 pm 
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enko11 wrote:
I think a lot of lifted Libertys look, well, ridiculous.

Taste is like a$$hole... everyone have his own and they smell all different :ROTFL:

enko11 wrote:
it would be nice to have .5" to 1" extra clearance! Stock the body looks to tall in comparison to the relatively small tires, like the CRV and most other modern compact SUVs do. I am very pleased with the aesthetic results.

You cant get a extra .5 or 1 inch of clearance without lifting your KJ, a simple top plate (1/2") or clevis lift in front and a extra top iso behind is all you need but you will loose the "Fantastic" OEM look! :mrgreen:

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 Post subject: Re: Success! 215/85R16s fit well
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 3:00 pm 
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I don't believe you. A tire that tall can not possibly fit the KJ with no lift.

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Well since he doesn't like
A) the way lifted Liberty's look
and
B) Duratrac's on "grocery getter's"

I should REALLY tell him what I think of his
But I'll be nice today!

:ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL:

all I can say is
those who run them must never have to go over any curbs / or up into driveways
heck I'd tear my flares/ inner liners off going up to my home place to see my parents! :shock:

grocery getter :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

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 Post subject: Re: Success! 215/85R16s fit well
PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 4:56 pm 
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tommudd wrote:
Well since he doesn't like
A) the way lifted Liberty's look
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B) Duratrac's on "grocery getter's"

I should REALLY tell him what I think of his
But I'll be nice today!

:ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL: :ROTFL:

all I can say is
those who run them must never have to go over any curbs / or up into driveways
heck I'd tear my flares/ inner liners off going up to my home place to see my parents! :shock:

grocery getter :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:


Well put.

Personally, I hate the way lifted Jeeps look too. :-)r

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 Post subject: Re: Success! 215/85R16s fit well
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The computer I'm on won't let me see the pictures, but I have seen 215/85/16's on a stocker before. Long story on how I got to talking to the owner. Anyways, he had the exact same tire size as enko11. This guy had well over 100,000 miles on his Liberty and I think it was close to 120,000 miles on OEM suspension, and it was sagging. I must say there was little to no room up front for the tires, nor room for the rear tires. He kept telling me the tires would rub when turning and definately at full lock they would rub. He asked how to fix the the problem and I gave him three options:
1. Go back to the factory size that's recommended for the Liberty (225/75/16 or 235/70/16)
2. Trim and hack away if you want them to fit without rubbing
3. Lift the Jeep and problem solved (I told him go OME route. I think some people would approve of that :mrgreen: )

I did happen to mention the forum to him. He really liked my Liberty and LIKED the way it was lifted.
We actually talked several minutes about Jeeps and about our own Jeeps.

I do recall someone on here that runs 215/85/16's, but can't think of who that could be.

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 7:07 pm 
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iMTB wrote:
I don't believe you. A tire that tall can not possibly fit the KJ with no lift.

It says on your signature you're running the same size and if I remember correctly, your KJ isn't lifted. Maybe it's leveled out?

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Warp2 got 215/85/16 BFG commercial under his stock suspension KJ and have no issues at all. But you can be sure his Jeep is in top shape and I bet he never live the tarmac! I like the look of taller tires, remember me a LandRover Defender. I wish I can fit 235/85/16 on my OEM rims after I install my Franky lift kit, but I doubt it can be done without a gear change in the diff (4.10)

G......my grocery getter will never grow up... :ROTFL:

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PostPosted: Sat Aug 13, 2011 10:34 pm 
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Sheeeeeeeeeeesh my daughter lied to me! She said by her removing my grocery hooks from the backs of my rear seats she de-groceryfied it :roll: !
To quote a good friend that decided to be nice, it reminds me a fat lady on stilts :ROTFL:
I hope you have it bump stopped to not allow any suspension travel so it can handle those cigeratte butts ya come across going to the grocery store let alone those nasty grocery store parking lot speed bumps. :JEEPIN:


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blackwidowkj06 wrote:
iMTB wrote:
I don't believe you. A tire that tall can not possibly fit the KJ with no lift.

It says on your signature you're running the same size and if I remember correctly, your KJ isn't lifted. Maybe it's leveled out?


Mines not lifted, my 215/85s are more aggressive than his and mine gets beat off road plenty. I had no rub until I trimmed my front bumper, then after I trimmed the wheel liner a bit it was gone. No need to touch the pinch welds. I was being sarcastic because no one seems to believe they fit.

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 Post subject: Re: Success! 215/85R16s fit well
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dunno why people think that profile won't fit, i had 255-70s on mine unlifted and sagged at 65-70k miles did they rub .. yes.. due to width

so i'd automatically assume a tire roughly half an inch taller, and almost 2 inches narrower would fit

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The 215/85/16's been popular over in the CRD section for a while... Geordi's been running them since at least 07 - and a couple other folks as well.

(Not me - I'm with the ugly lifted Liberty's - and I hated the Wrangler St's)

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We all have our personal opinions. He has his and I have mine and you have yours. Personally, someone shouldn't have a Jeep if they don't think it can do what a Jeep is meant to do, go off-road. Also Jeeps are meant to be mod'ed to be able to do more. A lift and bigger tires looks awesome while placing lesser tires on a Libby makes it look like a grocery getter. Should've gotten a Nitro.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 14, 2011 11:57 am 
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Tokyojoe wrote:
Personally, someone shouldn't have a Jeep if they don't think it can do what a Jeep is meant to do, go off-road.


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Tokyojoe wrote:
Also Jeeps are meant to be mod'ed to be able to do more...


X2...Couldn't agree more.

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...Should've gotten a Nitro.


Probably the worst idea Chrysler came up with. Although I've seen some lifted Nitros on the internet and they don't look half bad. I consider the Nitro a grocery getter, not a Liberty. People use to tease me all the time about my Liberty when it was stock. Now that it's lifted, my Liberty looks meaner and those people aren't laughing anymore! :mrgreen:

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Just wanted you to know , by no means am I downing you for your choice of tires or tire sizes. Its your choice and no one elses. Yes they fit, somewhat, but for me at least that size would rub like crazy with the roads I drive on. I like a lot more room for flex, no matter if its just curbs and speedbumps. Even with snow getting packed up in there its going to be tight.
Good luck! Maybe you'll find out that a lifted KJ looks/rides/handles and does a way better job than a stocker does........... someday :wink:
For me if I could buy a brand new 04 KJ today there would be a lift/ bigger tires waiting on day one. If nothing else for the better ride and handling

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yes a nitro is a grocery getter - because of the difference in the fascias on the vehicles :P

what made it a bad idea for chrysler was the fact the lib and nitro are/were/whatever identical but competing models

what gets me is the so-called grocery getter vehicles, imo.. the drivers the grocery getter.. a vehicles only as good as the driver :P

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JeepinJarhead03 wrote:
yes a nitro is a grocery getter - because of the difference in the fascias on the vehicles :P

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The Nitro is a grocery getter because of the transfer case with a lack of low range...

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well 1 that's fixable..
and 2 only rules out a portion less than half of the offroading

/waits for the definitive *grocery getter* clue in .. :P

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unlifted folks that are hating on lifts....well....your just jelly!!! ha!!! the only people that dont like lifts are old cranky women!!! Just admit it you wish ur jeep was hot like mine!! WINNER!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:

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unlifted folks that are hating on lifts....well....your just jelly!!! ha!!! the only people that dont like lifts are old cranky women!!! Just admit it you wish ur jeep was hot like mine!! WINNER!!!! :mrgreen: :mrgreen:


NOT THIS WOMAN!!! She's 80yrs old and has a lifted KJ with all the goodies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0XrmrggoEnk

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