new member - and questions to my new car with lift

poljot · **Joined:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:32 pm **Posts:** 13

Hello,

I'm Oliver from germany, and first I will apologies me for my bad englisch, but I hope you can understand me and my questions. In germany the liberty is not an often sold car, so I write here.

I bought my liberty last year, and I just drove onroad. In the last month I'm more interested in offroad so I was in the alps and had a little offroad trip.

I bought this car with some mod's.

http://www.flickr.com/photos/68242593@N ... hotostream

- a lift, but I don't know anything about it, no documentation only Spring Typ (Eibach 667044)
- and tires 265/75 R16

My remarks after the trip:
- if I drive offroad in some case the rear wheel rubs on the frontside.

My questions:
- What type of lift is it
- is it possible to reduce the rubbing by some more lift?
- what lift can you recommend
- or is it better to drive e.g. 265/70 R16 to reduce rubbing?

regards
Oliver

Dje Ryu · **Posted:** Sat Oct 08, 2011 10:49 am

Not sure about availability but, an extra set of rear upper isolators would probably solve the tire rubbing problem. Do you have a Jeep dealer near you?

poljot · **Joined:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:32 pm **Posts:** 13

Do you think the normal jeep dealer have upper isolators? And what are exactly upper isolators, is it like a plastic plate?

regards
Oliver

Not sure about availability but, an extra set of rear upper isolators would probably solve the tire rubbing problem. Do you have a Jeep dealer near you?

Dje Ryu · **Posted:** Sat Oct 08, 2011 1:29 pm

It's the rubber plate that sits on top of your rear spring. Jack the body up, the springs almost fall out, and you slide extra isolators into the ones that are there, already. Then let the body back down, making sure the spring seats into the new pad and that all the pads seat where they should on the body.

And yeah, any dealer should be able to get them. I think I paid about $11 U.S. for each one. You can add up to two extra per side, total of 3/side.

poljot · **Joined:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:32 pm **Posts:** 13

ok, thanks for the info, the car is then a little bit higher at the rear side??? On the frontside noch changes necessary???

Oli

Dje Ryu · **Posted:** Sat Oct 08, 2011 2:18 pm

Not necessary but, there are things you can do, if you don't like the stance after adding isolators or want more lift in the front. Search for "clevis spacers" and "conduit nuts" on this site to get some ideas.

poljot · **Joined:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:32 pm **Posts:** 13

did you see my pictures? what kind of lift is it? In this forum there are some type described and I don't know what is installed in my car.
Aprox. what lift can it be? 2'' ???? or more?
Can I measure it, whenn yes, what should I measure?

Oli

vincennescrd · **Posted:** Sat Oct 08, 2011 3:46 pm

First off your calling it a car

Pippobug · **Posted:** Sat Oct 08, 2011 6:10 pm

Hi Oli,
First welcome to LOST!!!
Second you can get be back isolators from Jeep in Germany at about 15€ eack, my suggestion is you go t0 a car scrapyard (Auto Schrottplatz) and see if you canget them cheaper.
Thirdly I suggest you put some bump stops at the back to stop the axel coming up and your tyre rubbing against the tyre arch. Easy suggestion is to buy 2 Hockey puck (yes ice Hockey puck (Eishockey-Pucks) as bumpstops, this will stop the axel coming up and the tyres rubbing against the wheel arch. I will try and post pictures it will explain better.
Forthly I think you only have 1.5 inc lift with Eisbach not enough room definately for 265/75r16 you need atleast 2.5 to 3 inc lift. Actually are you sure you don't have 265/70R16?
Lastly are you a CRD or Pertol? it will make a diffrence.

Fil

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Sat Oct 08, 2011 7:06 pm

Howdy poljot - Welcome to LOST - beautiful photos.

If you're running 265/75/16's - that's as much as you can fit and keep the IFS

the rear isn't rubbing because of not enough lift - it's rubbing because of too much lift - as you lift the rear it pulls the tire forward.
if you want the rear to not rub - you need extended lower arms (the only company anyone's mentioned is out of business).

for more clearance you might consider the 265/70/16.

JMSMN · **Posted:** Sat Oct 08, 2011 8:41 pm

vincennescrd wrote:

First off your calling it a car

JeepinJarhead03 · **Posted:** Sat Oct 08, 2011 9:34 pm

vincennescrd wrote:

First off your calling it a car

"First of all," I'm sure you mean "you're calling it a car"

Don't be a mister picky-pants

Secondly, it would be "First of all" but that would assume you had more than one statement or comment to make.

Example of use has been italicized for you.

BugginKJ · **Joined:** Mon Jul 06, 2009 7:35 pm **Posts:** 4576

Welcome to LOST :JEEPIN:

You need bump stops to reduce the tire rubbing in the rear. It does look by the pic of the front spring, your springs are worn, look at how the cv shaft angle is going down and looks level in others. OME is the way to go when lifting our KJ's. The tires your running are on the large side for what our KJ's can handle correctly with out mods (enter the 4.10 debate) and proper suspension set up. Check out TomMudds, I think if I remember correctly, he is running that tire size and many mods to his to do it correctly.
Here's some reading for ya to get a feel for lift's ect.....
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=44037
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18924
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=958
:JEEPIN:

JeepinJarhead03 · **Posted:** Sun Oct 09, 2011 2:52 am

i tried looking up those eibach part numbers and didn't come up with much, eibach makes coils of varying lengths and what not - they do offer an actual lowering kit but beyond that if I'm not mistaken you have to piece relative coils together to do what you want

for the most part there wasn't substantial variance with the eibach coils from what's already available as a "kit" for the liberty - I had looked at them a few times - they usually ranged between 300-400lb/in

if you haven't already, one thing that will help people advise you is taking measurements from the center of the hub of the rim to the bottom lip of the fender flare front and rear

it'll give them an idea of where you're at with your current lift

poljot · **Joined:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:32 pm **Posts:** 13

@Pippobug

definately I drive 265/75 R 16 Goodyear Wranger AT/R and it is a CRD.
in the rear there are no mod's, in the front there are some plastics removed (front side of the Wheel).

The problem is in my area there is no prof. Jeep Dealer I can trust,...there is only a dealer want's to sell new cars. And I'm not sure if my problem can solved in a normal garage with no jeep experience.

I don't find anything about the Eibach Springs, and I'm sure it was not a Lift kit, it is Custom mod from the pre-owner.

Oli

Pippobug · **Posted:** Sun Oct 09, 2011 4:13 pm

Oli,
What is you CRD 2.5 or 2.8? this will make the difference to & what year.
To resolve your problem with the back axel, you can do the job by yourself to if you are any good with tool.
But let go in order:
1) you need to find a scap yard (Auto Schrottplatz) and get 4 top isolators for a Cherokee (Liberty).
2) you need I would say at least 4 hockey puck (Eishockey-Pucks), I am sure you can find them on a German Ebay or at sport shop depanding where you live in Germany.
3) Also can you measure from the bottom of the fender to the center to the Wheel so that we can see roughly howmuch these springs have lifted your KJ.

I will try tomorrow to take some pictre and post them for you to explain better what you need to do.
But in the mean time have a look at these treads BugginKJ posted, it will give you a better understanding:

BugginKJ wrote:

Check out TomMudds, I think if I remember correctly, he is running that tire size and many mods to his to do it correctly.
Here's some reading for ya to get a feel for lift's ect.....
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=44037
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=18924
viewtopic.php?f=8&t=958
:JEEPIN:

Yes and if TomMudds or Tonycrd can help I am sure Oli would appreciate.

Fil.

poljot · **Joined:** Wed Aug 25, 2010 12:32 pm **Posts:** 13

it is an 2,8 CRD.

tommudd · **Posted:** Mon Oct 10, 2011 4:44 am

First problem is you have very little lift if any
Second is the fact that you have too large of a tire on there for the amount of lift
Third, well for third you have two choices, lift it more or get smaller tires. If it was me I'd go for smaller tires, you'll gain back some power, fuel mileage and won't hit / rub etc
Another case of someone trying to stuff 10 pounds of potatoes in a 5 pound bag

Pippobug · **Posted:** Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:04 am

Oli

Once you have ordered the parts:
But let go in order:
1) you need to find a scap yard (Auto Schrottplatz) and get 4 top isolators for a Cherokee (Liberty).
2) you need I would say at least 4 hockey puck (Eishockey-Pucks), I am sure you can find them on a German Ebay or at sport shop depanding where you live in Germany.

You are looking the have the following end result:

This will help avoid the tyres rubbing against the wheel arch and damaging the KJ. I will try to take some better photos later.
This will help also if you decide to change tyres and go for some smaller ones but not the standard 235/70R16.
Fil.

tommudd · **Posted:** Mon Oct 10, 2011 9:39 am

But thats just the rear he has issues in front as well from the looks of the picture

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