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 Post subject: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Tue Oct 18, 2011 9:29 pm 
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I have the part number Fitch F-3824 kit supplies you with all brackets hardware and, the catalyst unit. About 2 mpg avg improvement so far but, mine is not GDE yet either. I plan to add a Kennedy Lift Pump just behind the Fitch soon then the GDE tuning etc . comes shortly hopefully. I would recommend this Its $215.00 but, at the price of Diesel it pays for its self plus it just seems to run smoother and, a slightly faster takeoff= more torque.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
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And exactly what is inside that little contraption exactly? I'm a sciency-minded kind of guy, I don't put a lot of credence to "molecular alignment" or "magnetic flow regulation" that some of these things seem to claim. I know Fitch isn't claiming that specifically, but it has to be doing SOMETHING to warrant that kind of cash.

From Fitch's own website: " Note: In diesel fuels the Fitch Fuel Catalyst helps break the undesirable highly branched long molecules and converts them into more desirable low octane long straight hydrocarbon chains. This helps the cetane rating of the diesel fuel and assists the engine extract more power from a gallon of fuel."

I smell BS - Converting molecular chains? Yea... Not without a chemical conversion somehow, which means a consumable converter. Conservation of energy here - An object will not change state without intervention of an outside force.
Also, the Cetane number of diesel has NOTHING to do with the amount of power (energy) contained within the gallon of fuel. Cetane refers to the propensity (or not) of a fuel to spontaneously combust in a compressed environment. Higher = boom easier.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 3:59 am 
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Sounds like rubbish. If this worked so well then how come all the diesel engine manufacturers throughout the world have not installed it at the factory?
What happens with all these fuel-saving devices is that the purchaser straight away changes his driving style....pull away slowly...watch the speed, revs etc. so the economy initially does improve. A few weeks down the line the driver is back to his old habits and the fuel consumption is as bad as before. :(

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:08 am 
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The instructions state clearly how it's done.

To get the most benefit from this new fandangle fuel saving device, you must properly install the black hose where light is non existent, minimizing gas usage.

Don't laugh, but this device will soon revolutionize the combustion world as we know it.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 9:24 am 
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Some googling showed that they use tin as the catalyst.

These guys down under try and explain it:
http://www.fuelmate.com.au/HowWorks/HowWorks.htm

It seems to have some substance behind it, but I'm not personally willing to risk it in a high pressure high $$$ injection system.

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PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:03 am 
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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Wed Oct 19, 2011 11:23 am 
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looks good.

And it doubles as a telephone when it's not being used as a fuel line.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 12:44 pm 
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First let me start by saying that I, like most of you think this is BS unless is backed up by some data, and I don't mean just saying " I'm getting an average of 2MPG more".

- To the OP: Can you provide or do you have records for a period of, say 10 fill ups prior and after the addition of that contraption? Are you basing your claim of 2MPG increase on that data?
Thank you for trying this new thing !!!


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Sounds like rubbish. If this worked so well then how come all the diesel engine manufacturers throughout the world have not installed it at the factory?
:(


Correct me if I'm wrong.
In the late 60' and 70' a small car manufacturer in Argentina started installing this other little device which will create a turbulence in the air coming into the engine causing a better and more uniform blend with the gas, they call it " tornado" (as in hurricane. Due to the way it will cause the air to spin). Eventually the factory closed and that was the end of the tornado engine, however I remember my dad bought one of this little devices as an aftermarket mod to add to the Chevy nova he had at the time and it did work. Later Chevy (not because my dad used it on his) started using it in a bunch of it's engines under the denomination " Vortex". I believe that development starts somewhere before it works it's way up to the big boys. So, what I'm trying to say is: it might be possible that this thing works, I just need to see some proof; and maybe one day it will be installed in all the diesel engines at of factory.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 1:46 pm 
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Sounds interesting if it indeed does something.

Like the others said do you have a number of fill ups to back up the 2 mpg improvement?

Found some it did nothing reviews, but not sure if they gave it the 1000 mile break-in.

Found this one as well which seems to be well documented
http://tundra-mpg.blogspot.com/2009/06/ ... dings.html


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 8:48 pm 
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Siardi wrote:
Correct me if I'm wrong.



you're wrong.

The intake manifold things have been proven worthless - by any name - mythbusters, popular science and anyone who know how to do a valid scientific test can prove it.

the GM 'Vortex' is a modification of the interior of the cylinder head - intake flow angles and a cross groove the uses the valve opening and closing to spin the combustion in the chamber.
considering they've been working on v8 head design for decades - it not even a big change for them.

sound like standard urban myth to me

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Thu Oct 20, 2011 9:15 pm 
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So, I'm wrong. The tornado thing does not work, but, is it possible that it has helped GM developed the vortex thing?
What I'm trying to say is: progress start somewhere, you don't just start with a perfectly designed anything (specially our 2.8 turbo diesel engine....lol).

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Siardi wrote:
So, I'm wrong. The tornado thing does not work, but, is it possible that it has helped GM developed the vortex thing?
What I'm trying to say is: progress start somewhere, you don't just start with a perfectly designed anything (specially our 2.8 turbo diesel engine....lol).

No the tornado had nothing to do with the Vortex GM heads.


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:41 am 
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Also from Australia:

"The independent testing, by Vipac Engineers and Scientists Ltd, was conducted in accordance with the Australian Standard relating to devices claimed to reduce fuel consumption and exhaust emissions. The tests involved fitting a Ford Falcon and Toyota Hiace, both using unleaded petrol, with a Fitch Fuel Catalyst.

Analysis of the results focused on the difference in fuel consumption and exhaust emissions between the vehicles before the device was fitted and then after the device was fitted.

Mr Haley said the test showed no change in fuel consumption in either of the two test vehicles when fitted with the fuel saving device."


http://www.mynrma.com.au/about/media/pr ... device.htm

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"Investigators targeted six products sold in Australia
that claimed to reduce fuel consumption in motor
vehicles. The companies were required to provide
independent scientific evidence to prove that their
products did what they claimed. None of the
companies were able to satisfactorily substantiate
their claims. Four of these products were removed
from the marketplace: Magnoflow, Prozone, MPGCAPS
and FuelMAX/Super FuelMAX. The other two
devices - Fuelmate and the Fitch Fuel Catalyst -
deleted unsubstantiated claims from their website
and promotional material, including promises that
these products could ‘save consumers up to 25%
better fuel economy’ and ‘from 5-12% fuel
savings’."

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/pdfs/ ... w_0809.pdf


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 11:30 am 
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Wobbly wrote:
Also from Australia:

"The independent testing, by Vipac Engineers and Scientists Ltd, was conducted in accordance with the Australian Standard relating to devices claimed to reduce fuel consumption and exhaust emissions. The tests involved fitting a Ford Falcon and Toyota Hiace, both using unleaded petrol, with a Fitch Fuel Catalyst.

Analysis of the results focused on the difference in fuel consumption and exhaust emissions between the vehicles before the device was fitted and then after the device was fitted.

Mr Haley said the test showed no change in fuel consumption in either of the two test vehicles when fitted with the fuel saving device."


http://www.mynrma.com.au/about/media/pr ... device.htm

and

"Investigators targeted six products sold in Australia
that claimed to reduce fuel consumption in motor
vehicles. The companies were required to provide
independent scientific evidence to prove that their
products did what they claimed. None of the
companies were able to satisfactorily substantiate
their claims. Four of these products were removed
from the marketplace: Magnoflow, Prozone, MPGCAPS
and FuelMAX/Super FuelMAX. The other two
devices - Fuelmate and the Fitch Fuel Catalyst -
deleted unsubstantiated claims from their website
and promotional material, including promises that
these products could ‘save consumers up to 25%
better fuel economy’ and ‘from 5-12% fuel
savings’."

http://www.fairtrading.nsw.gov.au/pdfs/ ... w_0809.pdf

Good find,
may be worthwhile to just stick with my two stroke oil and power service additive.


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Fri Oct 21, 2011 7:43 pm 
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There you have it...

Waste of time and money.... Thank you !!!!

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 11:27 am 
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A couple of years back when Diesel Power magazine first came out, they tested the then new Fitch catalyst on a Cummins dodge that had alot of miles on it. The fuel economy was very well known on that particular truck but for the article they did a befor and after install test and then a Uninstall and retest. The author of the article was at a loss to explane it but the thing did in fact have an average of 1.2 mpg gain on this second gen Dodge CTD.
Iv toyed with the idea of getting one. Someday when the cash is there, I will.

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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 12:53 pm 
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Isn't there a money back guarantee?

Thought I read that somewhere.

If so it would be worth trying.


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 Post subject: Re: Anyone tried Fitch Fuel Catalyst on CRD? IT WORKS
PostPosted: Mon Oct 24, 2011 7:59 pm 
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Here's the warranty:
http://www.fitchcatalyst.com/warranty.php

All they warrant is that the device won't fall apart and that you won't fail an emissions test because of the device. You have 90 days to make a claim. "REPAIR OR REPLACEMENT IS THE EXCLUSIVE REMEDY". You ain't gettin your dough back, Buster. You get another bright shiny gizmo.


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