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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 9:28 am 
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yeah I drilled mine out too large, got another one on the way, dang needle was sitting right where it was before, just above the quarter line. Next one is getting a small hole.

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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Sat Feb 18, 2012 11:32 am 
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Better to start with small hole and go bigger IF required. I went 1/32'' and working fine, no spikes so far but weather is still cold. Summer will be the real test.

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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 11:10 am 
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Just got my thermo on monday (overnighted from amazon for 30$ total). I got the 195 and its awesome! heated up quick and only took 10 mins to do. Drilled the 1/8" hole and done! I swear it sound a h*ll of a lot quiter now when it idles. Anyone else see this. I havent run a tank of fuel thru it yet but i will update when I do. Thermo sits in between the 1/2 mark and one tick below never below that and no spikes in temp at all. Amazing!


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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Wed Feb 22, 2012 9:14 pm 
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Just odered the 13519 195 degree thrermostat via eBay for $13.43, free shipping. It ships from New York. Looking forward to a warm cab again!

http://www.ebay.com/itm/STANT-13519-The ... es&vxp=mtr

So have we figured out the best sized hole to drill?

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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:51 am 
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The Stant I put in already had a small hole so I just installed it. It has been working for several week and the gauges sits just below 1/2. My mileage has increased. I put on new highway tires (Michelin Latitude) and did the thermostat and I went from 19mpg average to 23.8 mpg. I'm guessing the tires account for 1/2 of the increase.

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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 7:37 am 
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1/8 inch. For the hole.


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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:48 am 
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left click hightlight stant #13519, right click search Google......



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This stant 13519 is in no way similar to what I just got from Rock Auto. :?: The one I just got has a big flange around the 'stat body and will not fit into the hose. ???? ANyone else have this problem?

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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 10:57 am 
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I ordered my stant from rock auto and it looked exactly like the picture... I think there's a previous case of them sending out the wrong thing so I would call and ask. Should look pretty much like the picture.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 26, 2012 11:37 am 
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LMWatBullRun wrote:
ATXKJ wrote:
left click hightlight stant #13519, right click search Google......

This stant 13519 is in no way similar to what I just got from Rock Auto. :?: The one I just got has a big flange around the 'stat body and will not fit into the hose. ???? ANyone else have this problem?


Yep, I had the same problem with Rock auto. I sent them an email and they sent the correct one right away. I think they have bunch where the wrong ones are inside the boxes.

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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 1:25 pm 
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LMWatBullRun wrote:
ATXKJ wrote:
left click hightlight stant #13519, right click search Google......

This stant 13519 is in no way similar to what I just got from Rock Auto. :?: The one I just got has a big flange around the 'stat body and will not fit into the hose. ???? ANyone else have this problem?


Yep, I had the same problem with Rock auto. I sent them an email and they sent the correct one right away. I think they have bunch where the wrong ones are inside the boxes.

Ok, thanks, I will put the purchasing department on this right away. :D

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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Mon Feb 27, 2012 5:28 pm 
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Did the inhose thermostat on my friend's CRD, ingenious!
He ordered me one for when my new oem thermostat goes...
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Got mine today, ordered from O'Reilly's for $12, based on the motorad number from this thread... Got a "Murray plus" box, number 3519, with a (I think it says) Gates 33109 inside. Weird, but looks exactly like the picture here. No toggle or hole, so I'm going to drill it before installing.

In other news... With my "FrankenTurbo" installed, the EVIC is now reporting 32mpg at 80mph. I don't believe that for a minute, BUT it does seem to be running better. I'm doing a mileage run right now, for a baseline before changing the thermostat.

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In other news... With my "FrankenTurbo" installed, the EVIC is now reporting 32mpg at 80mph. I don't believe that for a minute, BUT it does seem to be running better. I'm doing a mileage run right now, for a baseline before changing the thermostat.


I've missed this one I guess, FrankenTurbo? What have you done??

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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 6:32 am 
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Gotta say that the in-line thermostat is an excellent idea. With that said I feel the need to update this thread on my experiences.

Earlier in the thread, it was suggested that you put a clamp around the thermostat to keep it in place inside of the hose. After installing mine, I DID NOT use the clamp as suggested.

I have now experienced what I will refer to as thermostat migration. The thermostat started out just in front of the engine-mounted thermostat housing opening. It then worked its way towards the radiator. This has caused my Liberty to run very hot, in fact it has overheated. I am praying that I don't have a warpped cylinder head now.

I hope that this can be of help to others. Bottom line--use the clamp. It may seem like overkill, but why not use something that is truly not that expensive.

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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 7:55 am 
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More data is needed regarding this modification.

Summer is just around the corner and outdoor temps will be rising, this would be a good time to see how the inline thermostat modifications hold up during the high heat of summer.

Not sure how all of you could prevent a cylinder head gasket failure or worse if the temps spike.

One way I can think of that may help bring down the temps quicker is to turn the cabin heat on high when the temperature gauge rises to allow the heater fan to assist withthe cool down.

Does anyone really know how the OEM thermostat works and how the inline thermostat modification will affect its operation?

Because of a personal failed head gasket experience with my CRD, when it comes to the cooling system of my rig, I will not be playing test dummy. One bad experience and you will be dealing with $3000.00 in repair bills.

If your temperature guage spikes into the red zone and you hear 3 consecutive bells deriving from your dash, consider your head gasket pretty much done, if not, then you dodged a bullet.

The Cylinder head part of our engine is considered to be the weak point, because of this I now religiously practice the turbo cool down procedure as indicated in the owner’s manual.

To those of you who have already done the modification, it would be good to hear back from you regarding how it is presently working, your experience with spikes and also how it works during the hot days of summer to come.

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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 11:38 am 
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Ok I'll try to sketch out the OEM tstat function although readers might want to look at pages 1 and 10 of kap's comments at viewtopic.php?f=5&t=50940 for some good pictures and commentary on internal function. Keep in mind that our tstat functions upside down in the sense that it is the opening of the tstat that closes off the bypass port.

The tstat has 4 outflows and 1 inflow. The inflow is the rectangular hole in the head where the tstat bolts on and ALL coolant passing thru the tstat comes thru there from the engine block. Once coolant enters the body of the tstat the ports in the middle of the tstat body direct coolant flow, regardless of tstat position, thru 1) the large plastic port to the viscous heater and then to the heater core (before you ask yes per the FSM coolant circulates thru the heater core all the time) and 2) the small port that is both the coolant overflow and de-gas (constant air bleed) port to the plastic tank on the firewall. When the engine is cold and the tstat is closed (see the above upside down comment) a large portion of the coolant is directly circulated out the bottom aluminum port to the water pump inlet and then forced by the water pump thru the block and a small portion thru the large front facing port to the radiator. As the coolant going thru the water pump directly to the engine warms up the tstat opens to reduce and eventually close off the flow thru the bypass port so that all the flow now goes thru the 2 middle ports and the front facing port to the radiator.

As you can see if the tstat fails open or by opening too early, as ours typically does, coolant flow is directed away from the bypass port and to the radiator too early and is constantly over cooled hence the engine never fully warms up. In my experience during the summer a failing but not failed tstat can be masked by higher ambient temperatures and AC load.

On a cold engine an in line tstat will restrict the flow of coolant out that front facing port to the radiator until the in line tstat opens. This would have a tendency to increase the temperature within the block and tstat housing quicker at least until the bypass is closed or partially closed. However, as noted above with a properly functioning OEM tstat on a cold engine some flow is already directed thru that front facing port therefore IMHO if you are going to use an in line tstat it's important to do two things: 1) provide a flow path thru the skirt of the in line tstat to mimic that OEM flow, ensure the inline warms up from that flow, and to prevent temperature spikes and 2) to place the temperature sensitive portion of the in line tstat as close as physically possible to the OEM front facing port and make sure it stays there. The obvious potential problem with an in line is the balance between flow provided to the bypass port and flow to the radiator as too little flow to the radiator too late in the warm up cycle could result in overheating/temp spikes. Keeping in mind that the temp gauge sensor is on the OEM tstat housing I'd think excessive temperature should be virtually instantly visible and I'd also venture that if you experience warm-up temps going more than 1 tick above vertical that the hole in the skirt of your in line needs to be larger and I'd speculate that those using an in line in really hot areas like Tempe, AZ might need a bigger hole in the tstat skirt.

As for me and stoutdog; I'm running a replacement OEM pending receipt one of Kap's upgrades and stoutdog is running a Kap upgrade based on my old failed opening early core.

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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Thu Mar 01, 2012 5:24 pm 
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More data is needed regarding this modification.

Summer is just around the corner and outdoor temps will be rising, this would be a good time to see how the inline thermostat modifications hold up during the high heat of summer.


Its summer here in South Africa, Temps have been around 35% C (95F) for over two months since I made the mod. So far I have had ZERO overheating or temp spike issues, I did drill a 4mm hole in it.

I have used the Jeep in heavy traffic with air con running with no problems, up long hills and some full bore acceleration. All good, I have not tried towing anything yet.

Please not I have the Hayden clutch on the main fan, and the electric one is busted. I have heard the main fan engage a few times. But all seems as it should be.

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As for me and stoutdog; I'm running a replacement OEM pending receipt one of Kap's upgrades.


Is Kap back in the upgrade business, or is he just clearing an old backlog? I'd love to get one of his reworked housings.


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 Post subject: Re: in hose thermostat -(no housing)
PostPosted: Fri Mar 02, 2012 9:14 am 
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Quiksilver - good to know. FYI 4mm converts to right about 5/32"

mtgstuber - you need to PM or email kap although he may respond here as I did email him asking that he check my tstat function post for accuracy. He is settled in in Alice Springs, Australia and finally got all his stuff, lathe/tstat parts/other personal property, a week or so ago but how soon he will be able to crank out the backlog and whether he is willing to take on new orders I don't have a clue. I'm on his backlog list near the top having swapped places with my son, stoutdog, who as a starving grad student in Tempe, AZ needed a good tstat more than I did.

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