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PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2012 4:36 am 
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Good to hear from you all, cool stuff on the jetta tdi there. Keith at Green Diesel Engineering is the guy i go to for my CRD tech questions, very knowledgeable and great guy. Does awesome tunes too. :D. Anyway he suggested about 200*F for the temp if possible. I have 2 of his cores here as well, he wants to do some economy tests when I get them back to him.

Funny comment on the Grand Cherokee, if I could bring one back to the states i would :D

We just got our stuff mostly settled in. Now i need to make a workbench/lathe stand. I was previously using a bench i made that was attached to the wall in our garage so I have to start from scratch here. I'm thinking something steel this time and with a area for chips to fall below and a back so oil/lube doesn't splatter the wall. I also want it on heavy duty lockable casters so it can be easily moved, etc. Tired of hauling a engine hoist around with it everywhere when i move. I also want it to be able to be disassembled (assembled w/ bolts/nuts not welded)

Any Ideas? Anyone bored and sitting in front of autocad? lol

Well, that's it for the update.

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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 10:22 am 
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Another quick little update from Australia:
Got the lathe bench all sketched up, also bought 3 tool chest bottoms and tops, ball bearing drawers, the works :D Nicest tool setup I've ever owned. I just used plastic drawers and hung wrenches before (which i can't do here since it's a rental), so much more convenient. :)

I just inventoried parts, it looks like everything made it, all the water outlet housings, all the radiator hoses, thermostat housings, and the machined parts, etc. Everything made it through customs so should be in good shape. I also fired up the lathe on the transformer w/ no issues, no bad smells so looks like its ok on the 50hz power. Hopefully I don't have any issues with the breakers under load when i really start working the machine.

lathe is currently on the ground w/ the engine hoist attached. So sad. lol hope to get bench worked out soon. nice to have the tools and shelves in place and a little room in the garage now. All said and done i want to be able to fit our little car in there with all my stuff (recently bought a Holden Cruze 4x4 to drive out here for the next 4 years).
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New shelves and tool chests to get organized:
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Gettin organized again
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All the thermostat housing parts and housings
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Kangaroo next to a trail we run
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Wallabies in Alice Springs, yes you can just go up to them and pet them in the wild!
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The Todd "River" - Dry most of the time
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 17, 2012 11:32 am 
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Looks like your settling in nicely. Enjoy Oz.

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Greasey Bob - the pictures are there. If all you see is a little yellow box where a picture should be then you Internet browser is blocking the picture. FYI IE 9 won't display pictures on this site. There is a keystroke work around but I prefer to just use FireFox although I understand Chrome works too.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 3:14 am 
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I feel like I owe you all an update/explanation. I'm not sure if anyone is still checking in on the thread here and there, but I feel bad things aren't progressing and wanted to give an update. It's been nothing but delays since I've been here. First we waited forever to get things shipped here, then when I had the lathe I had to build mobile lathe bench to use it on. Then I had a go at the parts and had a power issue and traced it to a broken pressure switch for the top of the mill.

After all that I got to work on some housings and I apparently fried the milling motor. I was told the 50hz wasn't too big a deal for motors and that they just spin slower, but it turns out they get a lot hotter as well. I should have looked into this more before going at it, but it all seemed good when I started it up and so I just kept working till I had an issue. My mill motor apparently worked too hard and is shuddering now. I can't tell if its a capacitor issue or the motor itself.

I contacted Harbor Freight and am working the issue through them, but they still haven't got the motor in. They gave me a time frame of 6-8 weeks and I'm trying to wait patiently. It's hard with the different time zones to work things over the phone (15ish hrs different). Their system is for me to call them, request the part through them, they contact the manufacturer, the manufacturer sends them the part, they mail me a notification saying the part is in (yes mail, as in snail mail, mailbox mail, not email or phone). Then when I get the mail from them saying they have my motor I call them and pay over the phone and they ship it to me. The ordering is supposed to be 6-8weeks, then on top of that I have to wait for shipping to Australia.

So...after the motor comes I need to find a way to cool the lathe motors or reduce the output voltage of my transformer to about 100V instead of the 120ish it puts out. They are 240v - 120v Transformers. I might have a look inside and see if I can figure something out.

So there it is...those are my frustrations. I'm just sad its holding up the whole production. And inconveniencing so many people that are waiting. :(

If anyone on here is good with electricity and such please reply with suggestions.

/Sigh

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:10 am 
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You are in AS? Seems like the Facility you work at would have a large shop and therefore a 120v /50 hz grid for some of their US made tools. Maybe you take the machine there and do the work there.

Also, when you get up and working, divide the repair expense across us "customers"here at LOST so you don't bear the entire cost.

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 8:37 am 
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The Lathe/mill is 120v 60 hz. The power here is 240v50hz. The transformers change the voltage down to the 120v, but its still the 50hz. The the 50hz causes american motors (built for 60hz) to run really really hot. Its been recommended to me to run them at lower voltage like around 100v to avoid the overheating that damages them. My work facility here does have a built in transformer system, but it has the same issue....its still at the 50hz so machining there wouldn't be any better than at home unfortunately.

Any ideas on how to get down to approx 100v?

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:27 am 
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Funny thing, I was thinking about you and this project on my way to work this morning, then saw this update. :) I'm thrilled to hear you're continuing the project still, but sorry about all the issues.

This appears to be a good discussion of running motors at different voltages/frequencies and confirms what you heard about lowering the AC voltage to compensate for the increased heat due to lower frequency.
http://www.practicalmachinist.com/vb/tr ... ost1244344

I'm wondering whether a dimmer switch could handle enough current to do what you need?
http://home.howstuffworks.com/dimmer-switch2.htm I'd try it with a meter to dial in the voltage and see how it holds up. If it becomes helpful for you to have someone in the states track any parts down for your equipment let me know.

The proper solution is probably an autotransformer. I'm not sure how these work or whether the frequency difference would be an issue for them. Here's an example of one for 60 Hz. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Metered-Variac- ... 33723de9ca

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PostPosted: Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:18 am 
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An autotransformer would work great, a frequency transformer would work too, but that would be spendy! We use variacs here with great results!

http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_nkw=variac

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I had the same issue in Fiji, basically as stated earlier you need a waveform converter, they are expensive. What I did was bring in a generator that could power the biggest thing I had, and used that for all my 110/240 60Hz stuff. Buy a diesel one.
Otherwise you've got to change out your motors. that sucks. I changed two motors I had before I "thought" of the generator thing and was like "WTF am I thinking!???"

Interesting solution: get a listeroid with two heads, one for 50Hz and one for 60Hz that way you've got backup power for the house and a very unique system that is manageable.
I just got a yanmar 6kw and it was loud and high RPM, I put a car muffler on it and it helped, but was bulky.

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Hmmm....using a portable generator is a great idea. Why not have the next person coming in to pack out a generator from the US?

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Generator is a MUCH better idea. Since you are military, talk to the guys in the motor pool, see if they know of any that will be getting sold off soon - The ones you want are made by MQ Power and are towable on their own trailer. Powered by Izuzu diesels or John Deere or Cat motors... Smooth and quiet power from something that will sip fuel and run forever.

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Generator is a MUCH better idea. Since you are military, talk to the guys in the motor pool, see if they know of any that will be getting sold off soon - The ones you want are made by MQ Power and are towable on their own trailer. Powered by Izuzu diesels or John Deere or Cat motors... Smooth and quiet power from something that will sip fuel and run forever.



I was thinking more like one of those good 'ol EMDs :SOMBRERO:

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Ok, good ideas, here's where I'm at in the thinking process:

First some background...I am very limited on space here. We have a 1 car garage that barely fits all my tools, vehicle, 2 bikes and the metal lathe/mill and some shelves, etc. We do not live on a base, we live on the economy and not in any military housing, etc. My work has only 5 people and we're out here 2-4 years at a time. Where I work is not on or part of a military base. We are our own facility managers, maintainers, etc and don;t have contractors, etc. The whole facility is us 5 people, 3 buildings and a gated in complex kind of thing. So you could say we are a small unit. :)

Now on to my thoughts...A generator would be great, but I don't think I can come up with the room for it. I could potentially keep it and my lathe at work and free up the garage I suppose, though our work space is limited as well. Anything I buy here would most likely output 240v also, but i'll look around out of curiosity. Anything from the states would be extremely expensive to ship unless shipped APO, but that has restrictions of not more than 70 lbs, etc. Their might be a possibility I can get someone to bring a generator with their goods. On that note, we barely made it under the weight limit to come out here so I would have to pay shipping costs back to the states for whatever I buy.

So I am thinking the variac is my best option. Now, my question is, Can I buy them locally or would they be setup for 240v and if so can they go down to 100v or do I use them inline w/ my transformer? Would a 240v voltac on 120v (used inline after a transformer) be adjustable to the right voltage? Also what power handling do they have? The lathe/mill draws a lot of power, mostly at startup, but still a lot. I have a Litefuze 3600 transformer that can handle my lathe current and is about as big of a transformer I can use on the house circuit. http://www.bombayelectronics.com/LiteFuze_convertingbox_3600_Voltage_Converter_p/convertingbox_3600.htm
In fact, it occasionally trips the breaker just turning it on. It works great once powered up and the breaker on the transformer hasn't tripped so its plenty big enough for the lathe. Once powered up, i can start/stop the lathe w/o tripping the house breaker. Any smaller transformer tripped the breaker on the transformer using my lathe. Now If I get a U.S. variac, can they run off 50hz or will they fry like my motor did? The one on ebay I was looking at was listed 60hz. If I can find one that works, will it be under 70lbs to ship APO, and how much will it cost? These are all questions I need to look into, but a good option.

A completely different line of thinking (I mean COMPLETELY out of the box, but hear me out) was to make my own cooling setup for the lathe motors. I was thinking how hard would it be to get some small copper tubing and wrap it around the motors several, several times tightly and solder the tubing to a brass fitting for the hose. I could fit about 7 pieces of tubing to one end of a hose and just run water through it to the copper, then back to a hose fitting and out a hose to the drain. I'm not sure how effective it would be or how much water flow it would need to cool the motors, but this would be easier than setting up a radiator, fan, etc and a radiator and fan wouldn't reduce the temp much anyway I would think. The water out of the faucet is pretty cold year round. Also I do not pay for water out of pocket (land lord pays for it unless we go over a limit).

If the variac doesn't work out, I could give the water cooling a go.

Thanks for your ideas, I'll look more into all of it and hopefully come up with something that works for me.

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Have you thought about sourcing a motor locally that you can install on the lathe while you are in Australia? If so this will take care of all of the issues you are encountering with getting your lathe operational. If you decide to go this route find a small electric motor shop in your area and see what options they have.


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I see a 2000 watt one that will go in the APO. It is $600. How many watts does your laithe use/ draw?

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The motor housing seems somewhat unique to the lathe/mill in how it mounts, but its a possibility if i can find one with the same housing. However, at the same time there are 2 motors...one for the lathe and one for the mill.

I'm not sure what wattage I need for the veriac. it depends on how it is setup and the voltage range it can work with. My lathe motors are listed as 550w, 110v, 10.5A each. I occasionally run both at the same time to use the automatic feed for the mill (the lathe portion drives the base that moves under the mill). I'm not sure what kind of amperage/wattage they have out here at the 50hz. Also they pull about 2x the rated power during startup (though if i need to run 2 at once I can start them one at a time). My transformer has an efficiency rating of 1.25 (it consumes 1.25 more power than the item it is supporting).

So if the lathe is running one motor at 550w, has a second start up at 1100w a 2000w veriac should be able to handle it i would think. That is if it can run on 50hz with out the same issue the current motor has.

I'll stop by an electrical place here and see what kind of options they recommend. A custom made transformer to get the voltage to 100v might be the best option if it doesn't cost too much.

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I may be a little naive, but could you use a locally sourced 50 hz electric motor to drive a 60 hz generator head?

Somewhat like the rotary phase converters used to operate 3 phase equipment on single phase electricity.


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