VM.1085 (Yes, Again)

cevans · **Joined:** Wed Aug 24, 2005 12:48 pm **Posts:** 278

I think that Lisle tool is pretty cool. You only need the tool to loosen ("crack" the bolt loose) and for the final toque. The VW tool works, but can be awkward to use the first time around. If you've been using the VW version for a while its not an issue.

Ideally, you will have the pins in place, then use a mallet to hammer on the sprocket just enough to it holds its place, then you can remove the pin and use a counter-hold tool for the final torque. Do the same on the other sprocket, then rotate the engine and check that the pins thread in properly.

taroo · **Joined:** Sun Apr 27, 2008 2:14 pm **Posts:** 292

And what are the thoughts about this tool?

http://www.amazon.com/Sir-Tools-SIR2727-Universal-Lock-Vice/dp/B0015PMSGI/ref=pd_sxp_f_pt/177-7247277-5287116

06PeakBagger · **Posted:** Tue Jan 29, 2013 1:53 am

Better link to the euro parts timing tools. The original link seems broken

http://www.eurocarparts.com/timing-belt-tools

Agree the Lisle looks like a good tool to have http://www.amazon.com/Lisle-36880-Dual-Overhead-Lock/dp/B0002SQZPY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1359437769&sr=8-1&keywords=DOHC+LOCK

arengant · **Posted:** Tue Jan 29, 2013 2:45 am

The Sealey does look good!

bigjl · **Joined:** Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:38 pm **Posts:** 50

I will keep poking abor and see if I can find a company that can sell the VM1085 at a sensi me price.

If you can use a standard tool to brace the sprockets aswell as the special tool to locate everything then that may explain why UK based suppliers sell slightly different tools.

I might not have explained that well, if you can imagine you had the set to lock the timing and needed a 12mm spanner to complete the job they wouldn't include the spanner in the UK.

These kind of tools tend to be supplied on the understanding that the buyer has a decent enough set of tools and just needs the specifics to lock the timing.

If that makes more sense.

Have checked the EuroCarParts link and it works find, though I am using a phone and that is a link from the mobile part of the Euro site.

06PeakBagger · **Posted:** Tue Jan 29, 2013 5:53 am

The Seally looks like the tool that orielly rents - the O Rielly tool is plastic/ fiber glass

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bigjl · **Joined:** Fri Jan 11, 2013 7:38 pm **Posts:** 50

It does seem that the special tool VM1085 is only sold in the US.

I have found the instructions for the Sealey kit and had a quick scan of the instructions, it doesn't seem you need extra tools.

Not sure why a European designed and built engine would have different tools for the US and European market.

It seems to me that if you were a Jeep specialist it might be worth it to buy the tool as I suspect the main advantage is that it makes the job simpler.

I have spoken to the mechanic at a Taxi specialist and he doesn't use the VM1085 tool, the tools he used looked like the Sealey ones but can't confirm that.

He doesn't see the need to have a tool as complex as that but then he has probably done a couple of thousand cambelts on the VM lump so his skill level relating to this engine is a little bit higher than average.

dirtmover · **Posted:** Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:40 am

bigjl wrote:

Not sure why a European designed and built engine would have different tools for the US and European market.

I told you why, because the NA market is stupid enough to pay for it.

Actually, there's a bit more to it than that. Market penetration of small diesels in Europe is close to 50%, having peaked above 50%, the vast majority of which use timing belts. Mechanics have been replacing these belts on a regular basis since the early '80s so are very competent around them. Drop your vehicle off at virtually any mechanic and he'll change your timing belt without a second thought. If he needs to remove the sprockets he will work with whatever tools he has in his shop to secure them. Show him a VM1085 and he'll probably :ROTFL:

Now, in contrast, take your CRD to an average mechanic in North America, even Jeep dealers, and most of them will run a mile or turn round and say "Sorry mate, I don't have the special tool to work on that".

ATXKJ · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 9:52 pm

Well - there are lot's of OHC gassers that need timing belt changes - however they have this mystic invention called timing marks, you line things up and the engine works......
the no - timing marks - seems to be an Italian thing (Ducati did that on a few engines)

oh yeah - and on most engines you can change a water pump - without pulling the cam drive gears.........

although the mix of Italian engines and the US maintenance techniques has never been great....

mark2m · **Posted:** Thu Jan 31, 2013 11:32 pm

Getting ready to replace my timing belt and there is a lot of worry about bending the pins when not using the proper tool on removing the cam sprockets. I have a quick question and this is what I plan on doing. Why not just break torque on the cam sprocket bolts using the VW tool or something similar when its not pinned . Don't completely loosen them so everything still stays in place and then pin what needs to be pinned and work from there. Seems simple enough to me what am I missing?

Hexus · **Posted:** Fri Feb 08, 2013 1:32 pm

I got one from a Forum Member for $400 like I offered. Thanks everyone for your input and thoughts.

arengant · **Posted:** Fri Feb 08, 2013 2:12 pm

mark2m wrote:

Getting ready to replace my timing belt and there is a lot of worry about bending the pins when not using the proper tool on removing the cam sprockets. I have a quick question and this is what I plan on doing. Why not just break torque on the cam sprocket bolts using the VW tool or something similar when its not pinned . Don't completely loosen them so everything still stays in place and then pin what needs to be pinned and work from there. Seems simple enough to me what am I missing?

If you break torque I don't see how you would rotate the camshaft to get the pin back in.

mark2m · **Posted:** Fri Feb 08, 2013 8:43 pm

arengant wrote:

mark2m wrote:

Getting ready to replace my timing belt and there is a lot of worry about bending the pins when not using the proper tool on removing the cam sprockets. I have a quick question and this is what I plan on doing. Why not just break torque on the cam sprocket bolts using the VW tool or something similar when its not pinned . Don't completely loosen them so everything still stays in place and then pin what needs to be pinned and work from there. Seems simple enough to me what am I missing?

If you break torque I don't see how you would rotate the camshaft to get the pin back in.

Hmm isnt the camshaft pinned in some way to the sprockets? I haven't dug to deep into all the steps of the timing belt replacement so I'm just assumeing there is more than the bolts being torqued down locking the sprockets to the cams.

06PeakBagger · **Posted:** Tue Feb 12, 2013 9:11 pm

Sprockets held just by bolt being torqued.

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mark2m · **Posted:** Tue Feb 12, 2013 10:08 pm

Well crap that kills my original plan. Oh well I guess I'll just be careful using the sprocket buster.

Thanks
Mark

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