2014 Ram 1500 to get V6 diesel option

truckbouy2 · **Posted:** Sat Feb 16, 2013 3:09 pm

"BTW, you, Mr GDE, better get ready to provide the mandatory tune..."
Better consider a LOST site for these new units because the dazzling dealer organization will have no idea what so ever how to fix them.
I asked a service rep about service on the new GC diesel, as they had no idea how to fix the old and simple liberty crd. His response was they'll cost so much hopefully we won't sell many... There you go kids, Chrysler at it's best. :ROTFL:

woodtick · **Posted:** Sat Feb 16, 2013 4:49 pm

skates04 wrote:

So who is going to do the first 3.0 swap into the Liberty

Somebody with oodles of expendable cash. It would be a rocket... :twisted:

till the rear end was trashed... :dead:

another build thread! :google:

truckbouy2 wrote:

I asked a service rep about service on the new GC diesel, as they had no idea how to fix the old and simple liberty crd. His response was they'll cost so much hopefully we won't sell many... There you go kids, Chrysler at it's best. :ROTFL:

I am slightly more optimistic than you. Since the Fiat purchase, we in the US are getting more diesel options. They wouldn't even try it in this market without customer demand. Hopefully they are making other changes in the organization to cure piss poor attitudes.

truckbouy2 · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2013 5:33 pm

I hope your optimism pays off 'Tick. But the only diesel option Fiat has brought to the table is is the GC, at that baby is still on the shelf as is the Ram 1500 diesel. Fiat took on Chrysler just as Damlier did, a deal they couldn't refuse and for what they could rape from the company. In Damlier's case, truck technology. Fiat, for a portal to sell their low end garbage cars here in the US. After dealing with Chrysler dealerships for 40 some years I have absolutely no expectations that they will be able to fix these new V-6 diesels. Which will be a shame, but standard Chrysler protocol. Many can't even diagnose and fix the Cummins diesel and that's been in the trucks for a very long time. Sure they can throw parts at it and see if that does it. But you and I can do that. The diesel warranty's are basically like a war of attrition. We'll throw parts at it for 36000 miles and if that don't work, unless its something thats cracked, busted, or falling off, I guess we did our best. After 36000 miles, well, you know the drill. Maybe you have smarter diesel tech's at the dealers in Wisconsin 'Tick. I hope you prove me wrong with your optimism on this new V-6 diesel. By gosh if you do and they let me cross the border, I'll come see you and buy you a nice mug of beer. And you can give me the 'ol, "See,I told you so...."

woodtick · **Posted:** Sun Feb 17, 2013 8:27 pm

truckbouy2 wrote:

I hope you prove me wrong with your optimism on this new V-6 diesel. By gosh if you do and they let me cross the border, I'll come see you and buy you a nice mug of beer. And you can give me the 'ol, "See,I told you so...."

No "See, I told you so...." Just a celebratory brew. If they don't do a cranial extraction from their lower tract, the company will fail,a truly sad state of affairs. The thing is, they do have a huge potential to put themselves at or near the top of the heap.

truckbouy2 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 18, 2013 10:09 am

"The thing is, they do have a huge potential to put themselves at or near the top of the heap."

They sure do and it would be darn nice to see Chrysler leading the way. They've always been innovators in the car & truck industry when they were owned by folks that actually liked cars and trucks instead of, "investors". So far Sergio seems like one of the the guy's that like cars and trucks and has a vision for some interesting equipment. The dealer organization will be the key I guess. I sure hope the kids in charge can straighten that poor performance bunch out. It seems to be few a far between to find a decent dealer if you need one.
It'll be tough not to give me the "ol, see I told you so. You know how you Badgers like to pick on us Gophers. :mrgreen:

VMKJCRD · **Posted:** Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:19 am

Off topic but I thought you guys would find this interesting.

http://autos.aol.com/gallery/clean-dies ... d%3D271681

skates04 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:50 pm

I think this 3.0 motor has the potential to be in alot more applications, its already going into the CG and now the Ram. If I remember reading correctly GM pretty much owns the other half of VM. But I guess its pretty unlikely that GM and Dodge would release a truck with the same motor.

What I don't understand is if GM owns 50% of VM, why are they using a German company to build the diesel going into the Chevy Cruz?

skates04 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 18, 2013 5:52 pm

VMKJCRD wrote:

Off topic but I thought you guys would find this interesting.

http://autos.aol.com/gallery/clean-dies ... d%3D271681

The best part of the article was the sentence about a diesel Wrangler....

MrMopar64 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 18, 2013 11:04 pm

The engine in the Cruze is the 2.0L 4-cyl from GM Powertrain Europe. Coincidentally, that engine was born out of the previous cooperation between GM and Fiat Powertrain so it's the same base engine design as the Fiat 2.0L Family-B engine that they use now in Chrysler products. The upside is that the GM engine has a better fuel injection system with Piezo injectors and some more premium components compared to the FPT/("Chrysler") engine in their portfolio.

ChooChooman74 · **Posted:** Tue Feb 19, 2013 1:50 pm

MrMopar64 wrote:

I think the 3.0L in the Ram makes sense depending on what you want it to do. If you need to move the family and occasionally tow a small boat or some firewood, then it's not bad.
if you expect it to tow at rated capacity even occasionally, it might not be what you want.

That is pretty much what I want, except make it a camper instead of a boat.

I also been reading that the Crew Cab is going to be getting a 6 1/2 foot bed option as well as the 5 1/2 foot. That would be better for towing a small Fifth Wheel.

Also, I like the air suspension. I would like to know how it will hold up. 5 ride heights, and auto leveling. SWEET!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rPtYqXpNy2w

geordi · **Posted:** Tue Feb 19, 2013 5:16 pm

MrMopar64 wrote:

I think the 3.0L in the Ram makes sense depending on what you want it to do. If you need to move the family and occasionally tow a small boat or some firewood, then it's not bad.
if you expect it to tow at rated capacity even occasionally, it might not be what you want.

Why not? The rated capacity is just that: What the lawyers have decided to allow the vehicle to do, meaning that it can (and probably does) have FAR in excess of that number as a capability, just like the Jeep CRD.

I don't see any reason why the Ram 1500 with a 3 liter diesel shouldn't be able to tow 5,000 lbs quite effectively, and as much as 7000 just like the 2.8 liter CRD did. The only question I would have is the difference in performance between an inline engine and a V engine. I know there is a difference, but I don't fully understand why.

So why would you say that it wouldn't be a capable tow vehicle within the rated capacity? Please tell me you aren't in the "ya gots ta have a big truck ta tow anything" crowd?

woodtick · **Posted:** Tue Feb 19, 2013 7:53 pm

geordi wrote:

MrMopar64 wrote:

Please tell me you aren't in the "ya gots ta have a big truck ta tow anything" crowd?

jinstall · **Posted:** Tue Feb 19, 2013 9:47 pm

What a liberty towing 5000lbs? That's absurd!

warp2diesel · **Posted:** Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:11 pm

Other than the junk CP4 pump that will trash out the entire injection system with a micro liter of ethanol contamination in a full tank, the VM 3.0L should be a strong engine. Strong enough to grenade the ZF transmission if the Bean Counter Engineers were around when the specs were sent to ZF. Don't get me wrong, ZF will design and build what ever the specs say to build, good or bad, strong or weak, I have seen both over the years. If Dodge wants to give the Ford 3.0L EcoBoost a run for the money, Dodge will spec a stronger transmission to handle the Engine Banks got to crank out 600HP. If they want to build a Diesel Powered Urban Queen, that is what they will do.
With a 7,900# towing capacity vs the Ford 150 3.0L EcoBoost at 10,000#, the Ram 1500 Diesel may be getting a Cheaper than Chinese Junk toy plastic crown that has fake plastic gems.
We will all see. I hope they choose to give the Ford 150 3.0L EcoBoost a run for its' money.

geordi · **Posted:** Tue Feb 19, 2013 11:28 pm

jinstall wrote:

What a liberty towing 5000lbs? That's absurd!

I hope you are being sarcastic there... That is exactly what the Liberty V6 and CRD both are rated to tow in the owner's manual.
The fact is that the CRD is also rated in Europe to pull 7000 lbs, and was quite capable of that when I pulled the big generator with it. That weighed in at 6840lbs, and I had a total of 500 feet of 0000-gauge (4 aught) cable in the Jeep at the time. That cable is 1 inch across of fine stranded copper, weighing somewhere around 1-2 lbs per foot.

The Jeep handled the load just fine. A previous time where I pulled a generator that size without the cables, I got about 18mpg at 55mph with the CRD.

jinstall · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2013 3:08 am

Did you forget who your talking to? The european american specialist. Btw that's 3500kg around 7700lbs for EU.

You missed my 2300 mile trip a few months ago where I CAT scaled at 10280lbs.

ChooChooman74 · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2013 8:18 am

warp2diesel wrote:

Other than the junk CP4 pump that will trash out the entire injection system with a micro liter of ethanol contamination in a full tank, the VM 3.0L should be a strong engine. Strong enough to grenade the ZF transmission if the Bean Counter Engineers were around when the specs were sent to ZF. Don't get me wrong, ZF will design and build what ever the specs say to build, good or bad, strong or weak, I have seen both over the years. If Dodge wants to give the Ford 3.0L EcoBoost a run for the money, Dodge will spec a stronger transmission to handle the Engine Banks got to crank out 600HP. If they want to build a Diesel Powered Urban Queen, that is what they will do.
With a 7,900# towing capacity vs the Ford 150 3.0L EcoBoost at 10,000#, the Ram 1500 Diesel may be getting a Cheaper than Chinese Junk toy plastic crown that has fake plastic gems.
We will all see. I hope they choose to give the Ford 150 3.0L EcoBoost a run for its' money.

Not to be picky, but the ecoboost is 3.5l. :mrgreen:

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geordi · **Posted:** Wed Feb 20, 2013 1:29 pm

jinstall wrote:

Did you forget who your talking to? The european american specialist. Btw that's 3500kg around 7700lbs for EU.

You missed my 2300 mile trip a few months ago where I CAT scaled at 10280lbs.

I knew you were the CRD guy who got the joy of taking the CRD onto The Ring, but I didn't know you had a long trip with a big trailer. My math says the trailer was 5980, how much tongue was it putting on the Jeep?

My biggest trailer pull, a 7.5x20 enclosed Haulmark trailer scaled at an astonishing 1200 lbs of tongue weight, and 7000 total - thankfully I was only moving it a short distance on slow surface streets, and had to drive right past the truckstop. That thing is enormously badly built - the weight balance is awful!

jinstall · **Posted:** Thu Feb 21, 2013 4:15 pm

When I scaled, I had the move the KJ back and did not get a front/rear count. The stupid call box was too far back and too high for me to push while standfing on the ground. Even in heels.

4x4kingx889 · **Joined:** Sun Jul 17, 2011 6:42 pm **Posts:** 235

Finally something to compete with ford's F150 eco boost

2014 Ram 1500 to get V6 diesel option

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