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 Post subject: Re: Strange occurrence.....need some advice.
PostPosted: Wed Feb 27, 2013 2:44 pm 
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Under the circumstances if their tester, likely not the best in the world, said the battery you are driving on needs a slight charge and the alternator (don't much care about the starter given your issues) is fine combined with your tester readings I'd be virtually certain you need a new battery even if it doesn't solve your strange occurrence although it likely will. If you are going to do so and go with the Sears P-1 the sale price appears to only be good for another couple of days; see viewtopic.php?f=5&t=74244

Wet carpet on driver's side I've been thru so here goes:
1. check the passenger side also hopefully it's not wet.
2. check under the carpet on both sides - it's virtually certain the sound deadening mat under the carpet is soggy like a sponge
3. repeat above checks for back seat carpet; should be okay as water does not seem to flow from front to back
4. if the sound deadening mat is wet then the fun begins - remove front seat(s) just 4 bolts and some wiring plugs but best disconnect battery and then remove soggy mat. I cheated; pulled the mat out from under the edge of the center console and simply used a razor type skil knife to cut the mat along obvious lines a bit "up" along the drive shaft tunnel, remove mat and set somewhere on edge where it can drip dry. Prop carpet up as needed and put some sort of fan under it (hair dryer with heat on real low or off works fine). Drip and run fan until dry. Reinstall mat and carpet. I used a bit of tape to cover the razor blade cuts although that was not strickly necessary. NOTE there are some wires running along the floor board in a groove that may need to be lifted as water pools in those grooves.

So where does water come from:
1. obvious passenger side everyone knows about is a plugged AC/heater core drain
2. I have no clue if it applies to the CRD but on my old Dodge Cummins D-250 leaves and other "stuff" had gotten into the cowl in front of the windscreen and migrated into my heater core. In that vehicle I was fortunately able to a) glue window screen to the bottom of the cowl to prevent future problems and b) install a small marine screw top hatch into the face of the AC/heater box so I could reach in and pull out the "stuff". You cannot get to the AC/heater box on the CRD that easily but you can pull the cowl and check from "stuff" pretty easily. Just remove the wipers and gently pull the push pins that hold the cowl in place. I've not done this all the way but I have pulled, as a test, one push pin and it's easy but if you break 1 or more ID Parts has replacements.
3. However, in my case the leak was associated with my sun roof. Partially crud in the sunroof track somewhat obstructing the drain (plastic tubes run down both side window pillars to somewhere below the window) tubes. Clean out the crud and run some weed whacker nylon line down the drain tubes follow by careful application of water to those tubes to confirm they are clear. Something like ice maker water line is small enough to fit inside the drain lines and you can use your mouth (not the best but it works) to send water down the lines. If they are clear then water will obviously come out under the vehicle. While you are at it check the "gasket" that runs around the edge of the sunroof glass to make sure it's intact, reasonably clean, and fully seated. I'll confess while I was doing my first round of cleaning I slightly dislodged that gasket and made my minor problem much worse.

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 Post subject: Re: Strange occurrence.....need some advice.
PostPosted: Thu Feb 28, 2013 10:57 pm 
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Well....I disconnected the battery, got the driver's seat pulled, and have the matting under the carpet drying. The water was only on the driver's side but there was some in the back of the driver's side. The majority was up front but there was a decent amount in back. I'll post some pictures tomorrow. I have the carpet pulled up and hanging a bit with some bungee cords and the matting is drying in the bathtub after being worked over thoroughly with a wet-vac. I pulled each on the fuses and gave them a coasting with dielectric grease (and blasting the fuse box with a hair dryer). I ordered a Platinum P1 battery online to get the discount and will pick it up tomorrow. Once everything is 100% dry I'll get er all back together. Hopefully in the meantime I can figure out how the water got in there in the first place.

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 Post subject: Re: Strange occurrence.....need some advice.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:27 pm 
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Got the new battery (Platinum P1) in and replaced the horn fuse. It has been silent for about 25 minutes now. Hopefully the issue is solved. Now to find out where the water came from. On to the pictures:
The Jeep with the seat pulled:
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The matting under the carpet. I could gently squeeze it and water would run out:
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The depth of the water under the matting in the channel where the wiring runs:
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That whole channel had water in it:
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The carpet hanging and drying with a fan:
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Tomorrow I'm going to close the Jeep up and start running water along the door, windshield, and sunroof to see if I can get any water to go in. I'm also going to check the sunroof drain line to make sure it's clear and then go from there. Thanks again for the help and suggestions.

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 Post subject: Re: Strange occurrence.....need some advice.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 12:31 pm 
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For what it's worth that looks exactly like what I experienced with a minor sunroof leak which by the way has not resurfaced.

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 Post subject: Re: Strange occurrence.....need some advice.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:22 pm 
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I think the sunroof will be first on my list to check out. Does the drain line run down the pillar between the front door and the back door or the pillar between the front door ad the windshield?

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 Post subject: Re: Strange occurrence.....need some advice.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 1:43 pm 
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Pillar between the front door and windscreen and secured by 2 bolts (5.5mm heads) behind the 2 obvious trim plugs. However, there is no reason to pull that pillar panel for access. To check the lines:
1. open your sunroof all the way and shine a flashlight in the front corner(s) where you will see sort of an open top funnel/channel leading to an obvious drain hole.
2. there will probably be lots of goop (mildew, pollen, etc) around the outside of the sunroof recess. Clean that with damp rags and a tooth brush if need be. A bit of added water won't hurt.
3. wipe down the gasket around the outside of the sunroof glass
4. drop by a hardware type store and get a roll of the cheapest thickest weed wacker cord you can and use that to probe done the drain line to clear any clogs. I could only get 18" or so of line to feed in.
5. as noted above flush the line with clean water and make sure that water winds up draning onto the ground below the vehicle. I have no clue where the other end of the drain line is located but as long as water flows is doesn't matter.
To do all this I had to more or less stand up inside the sunroof which is where I made my problem worse by dislodging the front edge of the sunroof glass gasket just before it rained so be sure that the gasket is properly seated on the glass and when the sunroof is closed when you finish cleaning.

It's been about a year since I had the leak problem and, like I said, it has not come back.

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I went ahead and opened up the sunroof and checked it out. It wasn't quite as nasty as I was expecting. I went ahead and got some water in a cup and poured it into the corner to see what happened. The water pooled in the corner without draining. I went to find some weed eater line. When I came back it looks like it may have started to drain a bit as there was a little water on the ground. I went ahead and started shoving the line in the hole as far as I could get it. Eventually it stopped going in (either hit a clog or the line was too flimsy to push any further). I pulled it out and it was kinda grudy. I tried pouring some more water in and it started to drain much quicker and made a bit of a slurping sound. I cleaned the gasket on the sunroof and closed it up. I ended up pouring about 20-30 ounces of water down the front of the sunroof and it rolled off and into the cowl. It appeared to be going down the into the cowl and draining but I still think I'll pull it to clean it up. I'm hoping one of the drain lines was just partially clogged and is ok now. I still have a hard time thinking that that much water could get past the gasket on the sunroof but some must have because when In opened it up...there were some traces of water before I even started pouring some in the hole. I'll do some more checking tomorrow and do some more experimenting. I'm going to order those pins for the cowl before I remove it just in case I do break them :wink:

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Sounds like that drain was a bit clogged. I know mine was.

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In the past when I had a wet vehicle inside, I would pull the dehumidifier out of the basement and put it in there, close the door on the cord and plug it in. No carpet pulling necessary.

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 Post subject: Re: Strange occurrence.....need some advice.
PostPosted: Fri Mar 01, 2013 6:11 pm 
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Dehumidifier would work fine for wet carpet but I'm not sure it would dry out the sound deadening material which amounts to a 1" or so thick water soaked sponge with standing water in the floor recesses below that sponge which is what I had and kissfan appears to have.

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I had the air vent leak - no electronics wet - but the carpet was soaked and the wiring channels were full of water
pulled all carpet and backing - shop vac'ed the water out - drove without carpet for a week while everything dried
reassembled

mine would never have dried without pulling it apart

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PostPosted: Tue Mar 05, 2013 12:36 pm 
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Well.....everything is dried out and put back together. It starts and runs fine (cranks nicely with the new P1 battery). I left the 2 trim pieces never the floorboard along the door off so I can easily check under the carpet and matting to see if any water gets through again after it rains today and/or tomorrow. Thanks again guys.

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kissfan79 wrote:
Well.....I just got back from Advance Auto Parts and after doing some testing....the starter and alternator tested out as fine. The battery didn't test bad but it did say it was in need of a slight charge. I did some poking around and the carpet under the floor mat was indeed soaked. I checked under the Jeep and didn't see any rust holes or anything. I also checked behind the little kick panel by the hood release and it was a bit wet back there as well. I have to go change the oil my folks cars but when I get back I'm going to full the fuses and dry the fuse block out and then pull the carpet to have a look-see. Guess I'm going to be buying a battery here pretty quick. Didn't want to drop $200 on a battery but if I get one Id probably lean toward the P1 as it highly recommended. The Duralast is tempting though for half the price.

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If you are looking for a battery? Advance has a Gold 800 CCA battery. I have been using one for a few years with great results. Jeep dose not recomend using a battery under 800 CCA. Several people have had cold starting issues using a battery under 800 CCA.

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