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 Post subject: ULSD fuel review for newbies and us old hands
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Updated: February 15th, 2006 09:50 AM PDT
SPECIAL REPORT: Clean Air Regulations, Clean Diesel - ULSD Fuel
Diesel users prepare for the introduction of ultra low sulfur diesel; but first, they need a few answers.

By Richard J. George


ULSD is coming. Many users of diesel fuel have known about this ultra low sulfur diesel for sometime. It’s the details that aren’t so well-known. Why are we doing this? What are the benefits? Are there drawbacks? What do I need to do to be ready? When will it be available? Must I use it?

To begin, diesel fuel quality in the United States is regulated at the state level, and most states have adopted the latest version of ASTM D 975 Standard Specification for Diesel Fuel as their standard, which defines diesel fuel into various grades. On-road vehicles use grades No. 1 and No. 2 and each grade is split into three sulfur levels, S5000, S500 and S15. The number refers to the maximum amount of sulfur allowed in parts per million, or ppm. The highest level, 5,000 ppm, is equivalent to 0.5 percent by mass. S5000 is commonly known as high sulfur (HS), S500 is low sulfur (LS) and the newest designation, S15, is ultra low sulfur (ULS). Currently, the most common grade is low sulfur No. 2.

Distillates and Diesel 101

Diesel fuel is just one of a group of fuels collectively known as “distillates.” Other well-known distillates are kerosene, jet fuel and fuel oil (for home heating). Each has its own ASTM specification. A refinery produces No. 1 and No. 2 fuels at various sulfur levels and it’s common for one refined product to be sold as multiple retail products, provided that the applicable ASTM specs are met. This sometimes requires special testing or the addition of fuel additives. For example, a LS No. 1 fuel may be sold from a single tank as Jet A, K-1 kerosene, diesel and fuel oil, but this doesn’t mean that they are interchangeable.

Kerosene and jet fuel require very special certification testing and some fuels require special additives before use. The best bet is if you want diesel fuel, purchase “diesel fuel.” More importantly, don’t use anything but ASTM D 3699 K-1 kerosene in your indoor space heater.

Diesel fuel is the most common distillate and LS No. 2 is the most commonly used grade of diesel. Nearly all diesel sold at retail outlets is LS No. 2 diesel, which is also referred to as “Low Sulfur No. 2,” “D2,” “LS2,” “LSD” or any other combination of LS, D and No. 2. Unless otherwise specified, “diesel” to most people means LS No. 2 diesel.

So what is No. 1 diesel? Grade No. 1 fuels are very similar, but lighter or less dense than No. 2 fuels. They have lower viscosity, lower boiling points, lower flash points and typically have better cold flow properties. They are excellent for use in cold climates and in the winter. The drawback is they usually cost more and also have lower energy content, so there is a trade-off to using a No. 1 fuel — better cold flow, but higher costs.

Bus fleets also tend to use No. 1 diesel fuels because they usually have less smoke, less NVH (noise, vibration, harshness) and won’t gel as easily in the winter. This makes the bus more “rider-friendly,” especially the part about not stalling in the cold. It is also very common to “winter blend” a No. 1 diesel with a No. 2 diesel in order to get the cold flow needed without losing too much fuel economy. Typically these blends are between 10 to 30 percent No. 1 into No. 2.

Benefits of ULSD

So where does ULSD fit into this? With all this diesel fuel being combusted in engines, it leads to a lot of airborne emissions, most notably, nitrogen oxides (NOx) and particulate matter (PM). NOx contributes to ozone formation and PM is the black smoke pouring out of the older trucks going down the highway. In 1993, the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) lowered maximum sulfur levels in diesel fuel from 5,000 ppm to 500 ppm and created high sulfur and low sulfur diesels. The diesels of today have much less smoke than they did when CB radios and the song “Convoy” were popular. The next step to lowering emissions further is even less sulfur. What’s lower than low? Ultra low of course. If you want less than 15 ppm diesel fuel, ask for “ultra low,” because simply saying “low” will get you the current on-road 500-ppm diesel fuel.

ULSD alone will improve emissions by lowering PM by about 10 percent. The real benefit comes from using exhaust aftertreatment devices that ULSD will make possible. Much like lead poisons a gasoline engine’s catalytic converter, sulfur poisons the catalyst used in diesel converters. For 2007, many diesel engines will have diesel particulate filters (DPF) which will remove approximately 90 percent of the PM. In 2010, aftertreatment devices will dramatically lower NOx emissions.

Removing sulfur from diesel fuel is much more of a challenge than removing lead from gasoline. With lead, refiners just stopped adding it (the challenge was finding other ways to increase octane). Sulfur, on the other hand, is present in crude oil and must therefore be removed.

Making Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel

There are several technologies for removing sulfur, but it is expected that most refiners will use a process known as hydrotreating. Removing sulfur to below 15 ppm will require more energy and shorten the lifetime of the catalyst used in the hydrotreater. This is one of the difficulties — another is getting the ULSD delivered to retail sites. The pipelines and distribution systems that ship ULSD will still be handling LS fuels and HS fuels (Jet fuel can be high sulfur No. 1). Keeping these LS and HS fuels out of ULSD is very difficult.

Fuels in pipelines are not physically separated, and some mixing occurs at the interface. There are also plenty of places where fuels get hung up (valves for example) and then mixed into subsequent batches. Transport trucks that carry fuel from terminals to retail sites are not typically flushed between loads. All of this mixing was never much of an issue before, but ULSD is very, very sensitive to contamination. When loading a 2,500-gallon compartment on a transport for delivery, 1 gallon of HS diesel left behind from the previous delivery can contaminate the ULSD by about 2 ppm. This forces the refiners to produce the ULSD much lower than 15 ppm in order to get it to retail on specification. Most pipelines are requiring that ULSD be no higher than 8 ppm to start with, which makes the refiner’s job even harder.

For the petroleum industry, the transition to ULSD will be complicated — to say the least. Focusing on on-road diesel, refiners will have to start producing ULSD by June 1 of this year. This has required extensive modifications and capital investment, so most refiners won’t be ready much sooner than June 1. Terminals have until Sept. 1 and retail sites until Oct. 15 before they convert to ULSD.

The complication is that refiners are allowed to produce 20 percent of their on-road fuel as 500 ppm LSD. Then at each point in the distribution system, up to an additional 20 percent more of a delivery batch can be downgraded to LSD. This gives an outlet for contaminated fuel, but also means that at retail, there will likely be ULSD and a significant amount of LSD. If more ULSD is contaminated than allowed, it will become “off-road” only and must be dyed red before sale. To ease the transition, the EPA will allow ULSD until the Oct. 15 deadline to be 22 ppm, then it must meet 15 ppm. After 2010, all on-road fuel must be ULSD.

Making Room for ULSD

Another important consideration is that terminals and retail sites will likely not have enough storage tanks to handle these additional grades of fuel, so in most cases they will have to choose. According to EPA surveys, most refiners will produce only ULSD, and they estimate that up to 90 percent of produced on-road diesel will be ULSD. Since all vehicles can run on ULSD, but new 2007 vehicles cannot use LSD (it will damage the diesel particulate filters), most retail sites with one tank are likely to offer only ULSD.

Converting storage tanks from LSD to ULSD does not require any special measures. Removing water bottoms is always a good idea. (All fuel contains some small amount of dissolved water from when the fuel was refined. The fuel starts out warm, but as it cools, the water drops out and collects in storage tanks.) Storage tanks should not be taken much below their normal low level or there is a risk of stirring up bottom sediments. No special cleaning is required. Three tank “turns” will usually be enough to be on-spec. Retail sites that have legal requirements to sell may require more turns and testing to ensure they are at or below 15 ppm. 2007 model year vehicles that require ULSD should not be fueled until the storage tank is fully turned at or below 15 ppm.

Now that we’ve brought ULSD to site storage tanks, we can look at the fuel itself and what it means to the vehicles that use it. If things were easy, the sulfur would be removed and nothing else would change. The reality is that the additional hydrotreating will affect the fuel. The hydrotreating removes impurities such as sulfur and some nitrogen. It also saturates olefinic and aromatic hydrocarbons. Removing the impurities, aromatics and olefins changes the fuel a bit. The changes will be small for the most part. Cetane may improve a little, cold properties will improve, boiling points will become lower, density will decrease and lubricity will decrease. The last two are the most worrisome for users.

Ultra Low Sulfur Diesel’s Density

Fuel density is directly related to the energy content. The lower the density, the less energy per gallon. Less energy means less power and less fuel economy. (Diesel fuels are much denser — approximately 20 percent — than gasoline, which is one of the reasons they get much better fuel economy.) It is expected that the additional hydrotreating to remove the sulfur will decrease the density of the fuel by a small amount. This decrease will likely be small and lead to less than a 1 percent drop in energy content. The drop in fuel economy should be similar — less than 1 percent. It’s expected that refineries will take the opportunity to upgrade or reconfigure other equipment besides the hydrotreaters, which may also impact the fuel density.

There have been reports of field studies done that show a drop in fuel mileage greater than predicted. Some reports have differences of 3.5 percent, but this may be misleading. It’s not as simple as purchasing some of the ULSD that has been currently available on the market and comparing it to LS No. 2 diesel. Nearly all ULSD available until recently has been ULS No. 1. As already mentioned, diesel No. 1 is less dense than diesel No. 2. No. 1 fuels are typically about 3 percent less dense than No. 2 fuels and users should expect to see a 3 percent drop in fuel economy. The drop in fuel economy of a field study like this is likely due to the No. 1 vs. No. 2 comparison and not the ultra low sulfur. Even a LS No. 2 to ULS No. 2 comparison can be problematic because the density differences in No. 2 fuels can vary greatly (some No. 2 fuels are much lighter than others). Since the natural variation in fuel density is greater than the expected change in density due to the additional hydrotreating, any comparison of two given fuels won’t accurately represent the entire fuel population. The only way to tell the drop in fuel economy due to ULSD is to look at the average density of the entire diesel fuel pool before and after the ULSD roll out.

ULSD’s Lubricity

Lubricity is the other big concern from a performance standpoint. As new vehicle fuel systems move to higher and higher operating pressures and tighter and tighter metal tolerances, fuel lubricity is becoming more of an issue. The lubricity of the current on-road LS No. 2 diesel may or may not be enough for these new systems. To correct this, last year the ASTM adopted a lubricity specification into the D 975 diesel standard. The requirement is a 520 micron maximum wear scar diameter on a special instrument called a high frequency reciprocating rig, or HFRR. It took the industry some time to get this accomplished, but by now, nearly all U.S. on-road diesel fuel has sufficient lubricity or is injected with lubricity improvers at the terminals while it is being loaded into transport trucks.

The hydrotreating that removes the sulfur will also result in lower lubricity with ULSD. Aftermarket additive manufacturers and biodiesel proponents have been pushing their products as ways to correct ULSD’s poor lubricating properties. This is no longer necessary as terminals will continue to additize the fuels to meet the ASTM specification. The bottom line is that the additized ULSD will have better lubricity than the unadditized LSD we have been using for years. Lubricity is not a concern with ULSD, but this goes back to the earlier point — if you want diesel, buy diesel. If fuel is purchased as kerosene or fuel oil, it may not have these necessary additives.

Breaking the Seal

In 1993 when diesel went from 5,000 ppm to 500 ppm maximum, there were reports of unexpected outbreaks of leaking seals on fuel pumps. The hydrotreating needed to lower the sulfur also changes the aromatic content of the fuel. This in itself is not bad, but one thing aromatics do is swell gaskets and seals. When the amount of aromatics decreased, these seals contracted or would shrink, allowing fuel to leak. Once the seals were replaced, the pumps were fine for the new fuel. Like fuel density, aromatic content can vary from one fuel to another, so leaking fuel seals was still a concern after 500 ppm LSD was rolled out.

To prevent this from reoccurring, nearly all engine manufacturers have changed gaskets to materials less susceptible to changes in aromatic content, which should prevent an outbreak like in 1993, but it is still worth watching. Fleet vehicles that are dedicated to a single source of fuel may be more likely to develop problems from a fuel change than vehicles that commonly get a variety of fuel. If leaks develop, the solution is usually just a new gasket.

The Availability of ULSD

So when will this fuel be available? Some ULSD is in the market now, but don’t expect to see much of it before the second half of this year. Stations will be required to label their pumps as ULSD or LSD to prevent misfueling of the new 2007 vehicles. It’s these 2007 model year vehicles and any vehicles retrofitted with exhaust aftertreatment devices that are required to use it. Most others vehicles can use either LSD or USLD fuel.

With approximately 90 percent of U.S. diesel production as ULSD, it should be available everywhere. Some regions like the Northeast may be more challenging for suppliers, since the Northeast relies heavily on pipeline shipments from the Gulf Coast. Texas to New Jersey is a long way to move ULSD without contamination. Eventually the bugs will be worked out of the distribution systems and demand will increase as newer vehicles appear on the road, so all areas should have an ample supply of ULSD.

What about customers that want to continue to use the current LSD? LSD will still be available, but it might be the harder of the fuels to find at retail. If the concern is about fuel economy, lubricity or seal swell, it may not be worthwhile to hunt for LSD. Much of the LSD in the market after the ULSD rollout might simply be “off-spec” ultra low. If ULSD is contaminated with just a little sulfur, it will be downgraded to LSD. This LSD will have ULSD-like properties and will not be the same old LSD you are using now.

So again, ULSD is coming. It is going to be a headache for producers and distributors, but hopefully not for the end users. Any problems encountered in the next year or so, whether related or not, could be blamed on ULSD, and this may send users looking for their old fuel. If all goes well, it will lead to less vehicle emissions and hopefully will shake diesel of its stinky, dirty image. This clean diesel could lead the way for more light-duty diesel cars and trucks with better fuel economy than their gasoline counterparts. Better fuel economy truly means less emissions and less dependence on crude oil. This is a big step for diesel fuel, the petroleum industry and the environment.

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Very good info. Guess this will be another reason to raise the price even more.

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Sounds like typical burocratic BS.

If the politicians and the Burocrats really wanted to make our country self sufficient for its energy needs they would really be pursuing biofuel and flex fuel for our cars and have some serious research done on new technology.

Brazil is only one of several countries that are no longer dependent on outside sources for their energy.

The Us also needs to pursue Nuclear energy for major power sources. The tree huggers have absolutely killed the energy industry in the US

Just a bit sorry on hijacking your thread OldNavy. Thanks for the info.

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Brazil is only one of several countries that are no longer dependent on outside sources for their energy.


Brazil has a couple advantages. For example a population that does not drive personal vehicles nearly as much, or own nearly as many vehicles to begin with (per capita). Brazil also is naturally capable of growing sugar cane, and you can make much much more ethanol from sugar cane than you can other starches...

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The Us also needs to pursue Nuclear energy for major power sources. The tree huggers have absolutely killed the energy industry in the US


I agree about nuclear, considering that now we have clean nuclear power and pebble bed style reactors...

But you are wrong about the tree huggers. Tree huggers have brough you things like clean water and clean air.... We all need those.

The problem is multi-faceted and cannot - no matter how much you hate enviornmentalists - be wholly blamed on one particular group.

Many of the anti-nuclear crowd were not environmentalists. Many of them were suburban families with a NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) attitude and a gross misconception about nuclear power.

Additionally, the government and the military doing testing on humans with exposure to nuclear blasts didn't help nuclear's reputation. Neither did high profile soviet bungling with Chernobyl...

I would contend that our energy situation was caused more by corporate interestes than anything. You make WAY WAY more money when supply is constrained. Just look at oil company products...

If the "industry" makes bigger, heavier vehicles that get less economy and focus on outdated technology, and convinces more and more people to use them and get hooked on them - while at the same time the energy companies are not upgrading the supply chain or working on alternative sources or technologies - you get where we are at. Increased demand, and reduced supply. That equals HUGE PROFIT for the energy sector.

There is not a huge profit to be made (yet) in biofuels and alternative fuels. They are popular - but expensive to make and develop.

But mark my words - once they are profitable enough, the big heavyweights will jump in and will "absorb" all of the small players that are in the industry currently.

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Just a bit sorry on hijacking your thread OldNavy. Thanks for the info.


Indeed. It was great info... The lubrocity part is the most informative, because that is the one that I have heard the most complaints about....

But ULSD production has not destroyed Europe - the USA will be just fine. :) We tend to panic a lot when sweeping changes are made, and then end up adjusting just fine....

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I will take this off list as I disagree adamantly on some points and agree on others and don't want to spoil this thread.

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Looking forward a few years I wonder when we will start to see Natural Gas to Diesel (or GTL Gas to Liquids) become the fuel of choice. I think its Qatar that just built a billion dollar refining complex to convert their reserves of natural gas, for which there is no market, into synthetic diesel. At less than 5 PPM of sulfur, it easily meets the ULSD requirement. One article I read about the Audi R10, the twin turbo V12 diesel race car, said it used a 'secret' blend of GTL and mineral diesel. The GTL diesel fuel itself apparently smelled like vanilla!

Realistically, with over 300 billion barrels of oil in the Alberta tar sands, we are going to be burning conventional diesel (and gasoline) for a long, long time.

http://www.greencarcongress.com/2006/04 ... ron_s.html
http://www.tradearabia.com/tanews/newsd ... 6_cnt.html
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Here in South Africa the sulphur content of diesel has been set via legislation in Jan 2006 to either 0.05% or 0.005% (the 50 ppm is locally known as ULS Diesel - ultra low sulphur). Previously sulphur levels could not be more than 0.3%. Apart from the obvious environmental issues and less wear and tear within the enjine, filters, etc., it would be interesting to know if there is any real fuel consumption benefits

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ULSD is already in service in some markets. FedExFreight ran it in more than 200 of their units for 13 months in the test and the ULSD furnished them was 3.5% less efficient. It seems that the low sulphur stuff is being sold on the West coast as John Holmes of TDR reports that engineers he has queried about engine related problems all remark that the fuel in question must be West coast fuel - that is, ULSD. The primary problem with Cummins engines (B series, 3rd Gen trucks) is melted pistons from overfueling caused by injector fouling by fuel debris - (suspicion).

All the technicians and industry folk remarking about the "new" fuel stress its "cleansing, scouring" effect upon storage tanks, both stationary and on-vehicles. It appears that the Duramax engines are spared damage as their filters clog more readily and the engine stops. They are all recommending that fuel filters will need more frequent changing and Cummins has already begun producing fuel filters with 7 rather than 10 micron filtering capability. No report on the Powerstrokes from Int/Ford. Ford has spent some 1/2 billion dollars trying to fix the 384,000 bad 6 liter engines they let out in 2 years of production, so not likely to hear about a little problem concerning "dirty" fuel.

This info was taken from TDR issues 51 & 52. You might be able to pick up some info at http://www.turbodieselregister.com all though some of the forum access is closed to non-subscribers.

Summary: Expect contaminated fuel supplies and lowered efficiency. Also, expect higher prices at the retail pump and spot shortages. Needless to mention, current fuel surcharges for freight will increase. Both the trucking industry and the railroads are taking full advantage of the current "crisis" and removing all fueling costs from the cost of doing business. The customer now is paying for the service, as before, and all the cost of the fuel used by the carrier. I caught the CEO of Union Pacific explaining the "new deal" on the tube yesterday. He said, the industry had to get the "profits up" for the sake of investors and to rebuild "infrastructure."

I think it would be prudent to consider an additional fuel filter in-line, that is at least as fine or finer in micron capacity, than the current CRD filter. If you are using B-diesel, you have already passed the "scouring" hurdle as most B-diesel tanks are new and,even if older, they are already "scoured" from the B-diesel. As regards lubricity: if the industry line is that there won't be any problems, I trust them implicity cause I know they are lookin out for me. So, I'll continue to use Stanadyne just in case.


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I will take this off list as I disagree adamantly on some points and agree on others and don't want to spoil this thread.
What are you disagreeing with? Heck I won't be offended if you disagree with something I have posted, that is what the forum is for. We discuss things, present our arguments pro or con and act like adults (if we can) and learn something from each other. What spoils a thread is if it's all one sided.

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I would say it's more of the politics involved and the basic philosophy of an individuals views on life. I have gotten into this on other forums and it has always ended up with people getting offended and complaining to the moderators and I just don't want that to happen here.

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Yes and I have given up on forums that leave the basic premise of technical and mods for a specific brand and
digressed into nothing but politics and bashing. I am here for information and fun, and if we were at a GTG then
I might lightly enter into a discussion. But politics and individual view of what is important is becoming more
passionate, because there is such a clear choice. In another forum just the topics irritate me. I believe that you
should have to hunt for these topics and they should not be listed under recent topics. I come here for Jeep stuff,
I can turn on the TV for the rest of the chatter.

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Ripster wrote:
Yes and I have given up on forums that leave the basic premise of technical and mods for a specific brand and
digressed into nothing but politics and bashing. I am here for information and fun, and if we were at a GTG then
I might lightly enter into a discussion. But politics and individual view of what is important is becoming more
passionate, because there is such a clear choice. In another forum just the topics irritate me. I believe that you
should have to hunt for these topics and they should not be listed under recent topics. I come here for Jeep stuff,
I can turn on the TV for the rest of the chatter.


I agree. That is why I am waiting for OldNavy's GTG in October. I will be making my reservations today for the hotel/motel. Plan on arriving Friday afternoon and leaving sometime Sunday before noon. I wonder if is more than one day?

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I would say it's more of the politics involved and the basic philosophy of an individuals views on life. I have gotten into this on other forums and it has always ended up with people getting offended and complaining to the moderators and I just don't want that to happen here.
So ignore the political or tree hugger portions and get back to the ULSD and its effects on he fuel system and engine.

I am POed because MO, like so many other states is falling for the E10 at every pump routine. I remember what that crap did in the '70's, corroded fuel lines and anything else that the stuff went through or was contained in that wasn't plastic or stainless steel.

My DA neighbor and I was tanking about the methanol fuel last week, E85, and I was telling him what it would do to a car that wasn't designed for methanol and what did he do Saturday? He went and filled up his new '06 Toyota Matrix with E85!!!

I told him he better not have anything go wrong with the car while he has that fuel in the car cause if they get a whiff of the methanol he will own a new car with no warranty.

Normally it is just Saturday till when we are all done, however some have gone rather late into the evening hours due to someone with a major problem that was discovered when doing a minor repair. :roll: One guy came up from TX one year and he had just had a TB done at a shop that he was sure did good work, guess what his car would probably selfdestructed in another 50 miles or less. We had him finished about 3am Sunday

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Same old story. Over the years that I've kept track of such items, whether it's ethanol, biodiesel, electric vehicles, fuel cells, solar, nuclear, coal, hydro, global warming, CAFE standards, hybrids, etc, etc, etc, it always boils down to two things in the end.

Politics and money.

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PostPosted: Sun May 14, 2006 1:46 pm 
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I agree. That is why I am waiting for OldNavy's GTG in October. I will be making my reservations today for the hotel/motel. Plan on arriving Friday afternoon and leaving sometime Sunday before noon. I wonder if is more than one day?
I sure will be looking forward to seeing you here, I want to see where you have stuffed that extra fuel filter. :wink:

I suppose the Ea034 Filter is the new nano type oil filter, but what is the McGard 24538?

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marauderer wrote:
I agree. That is why I am waiting for OldNavy's GTG in October. I will be making my reservations today for the hotel/motel. Plan on arriving Friday afternoon and leaving sometime Sunday before noon. I wonder if is more than one day?
I sure will be looking forward to seeing you here, I want to see where you have stuffed that extra fuel filter. :wink: I suppose the Ea034 Filter is the new nano type oil filter, but what is the McGard 24538?


Aha, That is the 5 wheel lock set that McGard has for the Liberty.

I am doing R&D with my head up my Ar$e trying to figure out where to put the Fuel Filter, maybe the Mann ProVent (if I can't wait for yours), the MP8 and whatever. I have a 5K mi trip to Elko, NV coming up the first week in August and I want to have everything done before then.

I am only going to be pulling a trailer with about 3K lbs and want to minimize Anything that Mr. Murphy can get into.

Ya know what I mean???

It's like packing 10 lbs of dookie in a 5 lb bag, or something like that.

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Well after running B20 for the last 3 weeks or so, I topped off today with ULSD, about 11gallons to fill her up. I was surprised to see the warning sticker on the local pumps, didn't figure it would hit this area for quite awhile. Funny the stickers clearly stated ULSD, but it said 500ppm MAX under that. I thought 500ppm would be only considered LS. Maybe they are just saying that it can't excede 500ppm, so if they stay under that it can be what ever they desire. We'll see how she runs on it, I figured with the B20 already in the tank, I should be good on lubricity for this tank. Think if I run it for a few tanks or more, I will add some of my Stanadyne performance formula in with it. :)

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Well after running B20 for the last 3 weeks or so, I topped off today with ULSD, about 11gallons to fill her up. I was surprised to see the warning sticker on the local pumps, didn't figure it would hit this area for quite awhile. Funny the stickers clearly stated ULSD, but it said 500ppm MAX under that. I thought 500ppm would be only considered LS. Maybe they are just saying that it can't excede 500ppm, so if they stay under that it can be what ever they desire. We'll see how she runs on it, I figured with the B20 already in the tank, I should be good on lubricity for this tank. Think if I run it for a few tanks or more, I will add some of my Stanadyne performance formula in with it. :)
The way the law is written they will label the pumps and start the change over, and the first tank they have may not meet <15ppm due to previous load of 500ppm in their tanks (they may have a 5k gal tank and refueled it with a 1000 gal of LSD in the tank increasing the sulfur content >15 ppm) and they are allowed to have this higher sulfur fuel to decrease on a gradual basis till Jan '07, at that time all are to be in compliance with <15 ppm fuel of 46 cetane. This will not happen at a lot of fueling stations due to high turn over of fuel.

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One thing that my second tank of ULSD has confirmed...IT"S GREEN!!! At least it is here.

First tank on ULSD has provided 17.1 mpg..which is close to normal for all city, <45mph driving.


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wenied wrote:
One thing that my second tank of ULSD has confirmed...IT"S GREEN!!! At least it is here.

First tank on ULSD has provided 17.1 mpg..which is close to normal for all city, <45mph driving.
Color of fuel bought anywhere has nothing to to do whith what type it is such as ULSD, LSD or anything else. I have bought B20 that was green, B10 that was amber color and and B100 that was amber in color.

From CHEVRON fuels website.

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The color of a diesel fuel is not related to its performance. As long as the fuel meets the specifications, it will perform well in your engine.
Diesel fuel can range from colorless to an amber or light brown color, depending on the crude oil and the refinery processing used to produce it. Diesel fuel may darken after months of storage, due to oxidation of trace components, but this will not affect its performance. However, if the darkening is accompanied by the formation of sediment, the fuel could plug filters. If diesel fuel is stored for use in an emergency, it should be used within one year and replaced with fresh fuel, unless special precautions are taken.

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