I'm replacing the motor in jrsavoie's KJ this week. New one is ordered. price vs time and benefit of warranty on motor with money invested in vehicle, this is the most beneficial solution to him.

Anyways, the motor has 140k miles on it. I will need to send back a core with exactly as many parts as longblock came with. bottom end is in good shape, rotates fine, has a blockoff plate bolted on deck since the head is off.

Head is off because a chrysler mechanic failed utterly to determine that the poor running issue was directly resulting from bad rollers in the rockers (1/8" of play in them) causing the valves not to open and close all the way. The tech didn't know his booty from a hole in the ground apparently, because he decided that removing the head was the best solution.

Head has been in to be pressure checked and new valve seals, cleaned, valves done.

Not looking for a million bucks. Just to help him offset cost.

Here's the kicker. I need whatever parts you need back, before I will send you the parts you need. There is no way I'm gambling on a $3000 core for him. I will need this to happen in the next week if you do want the parts.

Parts available are valve cover, intake valve, head, shortblock. No turbo, egr, etc. are available. Just what would come with a longblock.

Let me know. I figure if I can get you guys a $1900 head for a song (less than half), and get one for a core back, then why not help out more people in this project

bueller?

We would be happy getting back completely junk parts, and $500 for head, $500 for longblock.

I hate the thought of trading in perfectly good parts for the $3000 core charge when they would be happy with junk.

I would surely think somebody would need or want these parts. The head was recently taken to a machine shop in northwestern Indiana and gone through. They gave it 2 thumbs up.

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2006 Jeep Liberty CRD 142,000 miles New engine 2-2014, Green Eco tune, FS2500 bypass filter Weeks elbow, European Torque converter, brakes front UCA's wheel bearing and front hubs. Front hitch OEM lift pump
98 K2500 Suburban 6.5td
96 K1500 " 6.5td
95 2 door Tahoe 6.5td
94 K3500 cc srw 5 speed 6.5td
91 International Model 6 speed spicer 4700

where are you ordering a new motor from?

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2006 CRD Limited magnaflow turbo back, easy edge
2004 Chevy 2500HD D/A Bullydoged out!

The local dealer

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2006 Jeep Liberty CRD 142,000 miles New engine 2-2014, Green Eco tune, FS2500 bypass filter Weeks elbow, European Torque converter, brakes front UCA's wheel bearing and front hubs. Front hitch OEM lift pump
98 K2500 Suburban 6.5td
96 K1500 " 6.5td
95 2 door Tahoe 6.5td
94 K3500 cc srw 5 speed 6.5td
91 International Model 6 speed spicer 4700

Where are you and the long block located?

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2005 Liberty CRD
Bone stock, even including the stock rod that is through the stock block

Burlington, WI

SMH. I guess you caved and just decided to order a motor at your expense, huh? Thats too bad. That dealer screwed you (seems to happen all the time with the CRD's sadly). If it were me, I'd spend every last dime and minute fighting the sensored word, just as a matter of principal. There is nothing I hate seeing more than someone get screwed. It is a shame. Good luck with the motor swap...

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Mike Rausch
Bear, Delaware
2006 Liberty Sport CRD 253K

Couldn't have it sit any longer. Never had any reasonable offers on it so at least it will be running. Pat is doing a top notch job for me.

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2006 Jeep Liberty CRD 142,000 miles New engine 2-2014, Green Eco tune, FS2500 bypass filter Weeks elbow, European Torque converter, brakes front UCA's wheel bearing and front hubs. Front hitch OEM lift pump
98 K2500 Suburban 6.5td
96 K1500 " 6.5td
95 2 door Tahoe 6.5td
94 K3500 cc srw 5 speed 6.5td
91 International Model 6 speed spicer 4700

Pardon me for asking how much did a new motor run up? Any warranties 2 go with it thanks.

The new engine isn't panning out as well as hoped. The list of what they said was included wasn't even close.

They said it was complete with timing belt, injectors, glow plugs etc.

What we got is a bare long block. Not sure we are going to keep it. I was quoted from $5000 to $5600.

Still have to buy $2000 worth of parts to make it run

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2006 Jeep Liberty CRD 142,000 miles New engine 2-2014, Green Eco tune, FS2500 bypass filter Weeks elbow, European Torque converter, brakes front UCA's wheel bearing and front hubs. Front hitch OEM lift pump
98 K2500 Suburban 6.5td
96 K1500 " 6.5td
95 2 door Tahoe 6.5td
94 K3500 cc srw 5 speed 6.5td
91 International Model 6 speed spicer 4700

I figured that was going to happen. I know at one point you could get a complete engine, ready to drop in, but it was close to $10K. That was a few years ago. This is why the dealer ran from this. A: They didn't know what they were doing, B: once they saw what was involved... they panicked, C: they knew they could get away with saying "tough stinky poo!" This whole situation is really sad, and someone (not you) should be responsible...

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Mike Rausch
Bear, Delaware
2006 Liberty Sport CRD 253K

My butt hurts a little

Found out for sure the first dealership lost hardware and a boost hose. Add that to the injectors they pulled and never labeled and the head gasket they lost.

We'll see how this dealership stands up. At least this bill is on a credit card so I can dispute charges if need be.

Never did find a lawyer that would look at things. They all said it wasn't worth messing with.

I guess I'd better go back to 6.5's and stay there, where I belong.

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2006 Jeep Liberty CRD 142,000 miles New engine 2-2014, Green Eco tune, FS2500 bypass filter Weeks elbow, European Torque converter, brakes front UCA's wheel bearing and front hubs. Front hitch OEM lift pump
98 K2500 Suburban 6.5td
96 K1500 " 6.5td
95 2 door Tahoe 6.5td
94 K3500 cc srw 5 speed 6.5td
91 International Model 6 speed spicer 4700

Your butt won't hurt for long if you pick up lube.

On a serious note, the dealership will be covering the timing set, (belt, pulleys, tensioner), water pump, and with a little luck be omitting core and allowing jrsavoie to keep the "core" at no charge, as well as covering injectors.

We shall see.

If this pans out (I'm not holding my breath) then GOOD. At least you will have enough parts to make 2 complete running engines. Someone will need the other one eventually.

If it doesn't, get back in touch with Jeff, I just sent him a PM detailing how easy it can be to get the original engine back running again. The missing components aren't that expensive if they are just 'hardware' and the biggest cost will be the head gasket. The injectors can be easily re-used in any order you like, since he has a GDE tune. Just write down the injector codes (6 letter/number code different on each one) and label the injector with what cylinder you want it in. Send that info to Keith at GDE, and he can reprogram the tune to match. Problem solved.

Etecno metal glow plugs from IDparts, $100. Solved.
Head gasket and bolts from idparts, $400. Solved.
Rockers from idparts, $400. Solved.
Timing belt kit with all needed parts from idparts, $400. Solved.

STOP GIVING MONEY TO CHRYSLER! This goes for EVERYONE. They are incompetent to even sell you a SODA without screwing up the transaction.

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Proud supporting vendor of LOST Jeeps
TRAVELING CRD TECH. I come to you!
Need help? Just ask! I've taken it apart more than most.
Email jeep [at] maincomputer [dot] com - BOARD MESSAGING IS BROKEN
Over 225 CRDs currently driving with my valves, timing belt, rockers, or ARP Studs.
Bad noises = REALLY bad things.

Yeah.

I have no problem either way with this. Like I told Jeff before the CRD came up here, I have not had a CRD apart before, but I did grow up with 2.1l Renault diesels in my MJ's and have a good amount of talent when it comes to reading a book and doing what it says...it is not rocket science. Between that, my history as a semi diesel mechanic, as well as my father's in-depth knowledge of them, we can sort out any issue with this thing.

I did tell Jeff that I can fix his diesel, and it would be cheaper, but with the "basket-case" situation of his, we both agreed that the warranty was worth it. Jeff's position was that if he doesn't get something with the peace of mind that it is going to last him hundreds of thousands of miles, he would be selling the CRD once it was repaired. I agreed, and we both agreed that a warranty motor was the way to go (at least based off the parts list we got from them).

That said, the dealership has told me flat out that if we cannot get the higher up (who gave them the parts list that we based the purchase off of) to cover the NECESSARY missing parts to make this run, they will at least make sure we get the complete timing set, complete gasket set, water pump. I'm going to hold out for the injectors as well, and plan to hold out for MOPAR to eat the core charge.

At the very least, we got a set of cam lock tools included with that they will NOT be getting back.

Does the cam lock set include the big pulley clamp, or just the two pins? B/c those pins... Sadly are only worth about $100.

I do wish you much luck on the rest. Hopefully the dealership people will be agreeable to this, and you can make them eat (or conveniently forget as time passes) the core charge. They have to allow you time to install the engine, so it may be that many weeks (becoming forever) will pass before the core is charged. As time passes, the billing person will most likely forget about that little piece of paper and will probably not do it. Longer lead times are to your benefit there.

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Need help? Just ask! I've taken it apart more than most.
Email jeep [at] maincomputer [dot] com - BOARD MESSAGING IS BROKEN
Over 225 CRDs currently driving with my valves, timing belt, rockers, or ARP Studs.
Bad noises = REALLY bad things.

Don't you pay the core charge upfront and when returning it get back the deposit?

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2005 kj CRD, samco, suncoast tc, provent, Kennedy lift pump, GDE ECO full torque, 2nd gen filter head, 245/70/16 a/t tires, mopar light bar, fumoto oil valve, OEM Skid Plates, ARB Front bumper and HD OME, tru cool LPD47391 40k GVW tranny cooler (stock cooler delete), FF Dynamics e-fan and shroud, rocker arms replaced, HDS2 190F thermostat.

From what I understand, they didn't do it this way. That is how it has always been done for me, but maybe this dealership is clueless in more than one way (very likely)

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Proud supporting vendor of LOST Jeeps
TRAVELING CRD TECH. I come to you!
Need help? Just ask! I've taken it apart more than most.
Email jeep [at] maincomputer [dot] com - BOARD MESSAGING IS BROKEN
Over 225 CRDs currently driving with my valves, timing belt, rockers, or ARP Studs.
Bad noises = REALLY bad things.

Pat is a regular customer and they waited on the core charge as a comp. The core charge would just go on my credit card if the core is not returned

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2006 Jeep Liberty CRD 142,000 miles New engine 2-2014, Green Eco tune, FS2500 bypass filter Weeks elbow, European Torque converter, brakes front UCA's wheel bearing and front hubs. Front hitch OEM lift pump
98 K2500 Suburban 6.5td
96 K1500 " 6.5td
95 2 door Tahoe 6.5td
94 K3500 cc srw 5 speed 6.5td
91 International Model 6 speed spicer 4700