It is currently Fri Nov 21, 2025 3:52 am

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]




Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 26 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: New to me CRD
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 2:19 pm 
Offline
LOST Addict
User avatar

Joined: Thu Sep 06, 2007 9:51 pm
Posts: 6302
Location: Somewhere between Heaven and Hell... But it is really hot here on Earth...
Officially from the manual and from the lack of any information from VM (who don't share much as it is) there is only a mileage spec on the timing belt of 100k miles.

HOWEVER:

I have now worked on over 30 of these. I have seen belts that were over 100k miles and some that were under. All were the same rough ages because of when they were installed, with the exception of 3 that the engines had far in excess of 100k miles and these were belts #2 becoming #3 for each.

I have not found ANY direct environmental causes to say "this has caused this belt to prematurely age" such as general temp or humidity (or lack of). Miami Florida is hot and humid, and the belt at 8 years and 80k looked terrible. Austin Texas is hot and mostly-dry, and at 85k miles and NOT 8 years old, two belts owned by the same person looked terrible. Big cracks. Another in Austin a few miles away looked mostly-fine however. Go figure.

Boston, Mass is cold and wet, and at 90k miles and 7 years, the belt had cracking. Phoenix, Az is hot and VERY dry, and at 90k miles and the belt looked decent. LA is mild and dry (until it isn't either) and the two belts there were in good shape. Albuquerque is cool and very dry (and very high up!) and the belt looked decent.

The point? You want your belt to be in the "decent" category, which means that the rubber doesn't appear massively dried and cracked, chunks aren't missing, and the cords aren't exposed because of huge cracks. I have been placing the stickers on each CRD that I have worked on, with a 100k mile and FIVE YEAR timeframe on the belt, based on my observations of the conditions of each when they came out. In a variety of climates and operating conditions, to safely say that each belt will 100% last x number of years is very tough - So I am choosing to err on the side of a wide safety margin. I think that Chrysler / VM failed us (gee, that's unusual) in not providing a time spec for the belts, as Gates / Goodyear ABSOLUTELY would have given THEM one. I do not know what the manufacturer's number is however, because I get the amorphous and weasel-word answer of "It can vary by application, ask your vehicle maker" as a reply.

Generally speaking however, rubber belts are not specified to be in service much longer than 5 years, and for something as critical as the timing belt, if it hasn't been changed by now - it NEEDS to be changed.

My main gig, working in television, gives me a flexible schedule to be able to help out the group here. As long as there isn't (too much) snow on the ground or severe weather in the sky, I'm game to go just about anywhere and do these timing belts for the members here. The more people that sign on for a given route, the better the spread of the travel costs for everyone. I haven't run the final numbers for the last trip out to LA and all the CRDs that I worked on during that month away... But I suspect that you guys all got a fantastic deal, certainly compared against the uncertainty of bringing it to a dealer or "cummins / powerstroke" mechanic that has never seen inside this motor before.

So would I be interested in possibly going to the UP of Michigan? "Yah, shore, you betcha" :mrgreen:

_________________
Proud supporting vendor of LOST Jeeps
TRAVELING CRD TECH. I come to you!
Need help? Just ask! I've taken it apart more than most.
Email jeep [at] maincomputer [dot] com - BOARD MESSAGING IS BROKEN
Over 225 CRDs currently driving with my valves, timing belt, rockers, or ARP Studs.
Bad noises = REALLY bad things.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: New to me CRD
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:10 pm 
Offline
LOST Newbie

Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:50 pm
Posts: 63
Location: Byron Michigan
joelukex4 wrote:
I would check your warranty very closely. Typically they do not warranty wear items like brakes, clutches, belts, seals, etc. Typically timing belts have a schedule for change based on miles or years of service. Is the Liberty CRD timing belt life cycle based only on 100K miles or is there also a time stipulation? I also have a warranty that covers me for 5yrs or to 150K. I don't know if they will cover the timing belt or damage done by its failure. So far have never needed any warranty work done.


i normaly dont buy the extended warranty because i would just do the work anyways, but i checked the fine print of this one and it covers everything belts, seals and all the good stuff that wears that was the only reason why i decided to buy it in case something happened and it wouldnt be to much over my head since this is my first diesel.

geordi good to know im sure im not the only one who has one up here in michigan, ill get the belt done soon


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: New to me CRD
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 4:55 pm 
Offline
LOST Member

Joined: Thu Jun 03, 2010 2:43 am
Posts: 233
Location: Marina Del Rey, CA
Just curious, but how much did you pay for that extended warranty?

I remember paying $1500 for another two years on a convertible Volvo C70 a while back.

_________________
2006 CRD w/99,300 miles
F31 from a previous life
EHM @ 42K, ProVent @ 79K
GDE Eco Tune & TCM @ 46K
Engine mounts replaced @ 55k/93k, Timing Belt @ 90k
Lift Pump @ 97k
OME Lift, 1.5''
Kenwood TM-V71 Ham Radio / Cobra C75WX CB
Surf Racks
Image


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: New to me CRD
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 5:11 pm 
Offline
LOST Newbie

Joined: Fri Apr 11, 2014 11:50 pm
Posts: 63
Location: Byron Michigan
usa591 wrote:
Just curious, but how much did you pay for that extended warranty?

I remember paying $1500 for another two years on a convertible Volvo C70 a while back.



it was right under 1500and the warranty covers tires and rim damage as well like tire gets a hole in the side wall they buy me a new one after hearing off of this of course from the finance guy i was like ya right your bsing me so he gave the pamplet and i called them up and asked all kinds of questions and it covers everything from the TC to timing belt to brake pads


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: New to me CRD
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 10:10 pm 
Offline
Lifetime Member
Lifetime Member
User avatar

Joined: Thu Dec 29, 2005 9:59 pm
Posts: 5171
Location: Austin, TX
on the Timing belt lifespan-I remember a discussion earlier

the export versions had a 100Km change interval i.e. 60Kmiles

and it was changed to 100K miles for the US by the marketing department......

_________________
2005 CRD
stuff
Skeptic quod gratis asseritur, gratis negatur


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: New to me CRD
PostPosted: Tue Apr 29, 2014 11:29 pm 
Offline
LOST Addict

Joined: Fri Apr 02, 2010 3:14 pm
Posts: 2294
Location: Sumter, SC
ATXKJ wrote:
on the Timing belt lifespan-I remember a discussion earlier

the export versions had a 100Km change interval i.e. 60Kmiles

and it was changed to 100K miles for the US by the marketing department......


That's what I will do, 60 k new belt, safest way.

_________________
2005 kj CRD, samco, suncoast tc, provent, Kennedy lift pump, GDE ECO full torque, 2nd gen filter head, 245/70/16 a/t tires, mopar light bar, fumoto oil valve, OEM Skid Plates, ARB Front bumper and HD OME, tru cool LPD47391 40k GVW tranny cooler (stock cooler delete), FF Dynamics e-fan and shroud, rocker arms replaced, HDS2 190F thermostat.


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 26 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2

All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 39 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
Powered by phpBB © 2000, 2002, 2005, 2007 phpBB Group. Color scheme by ColorizeIt!
Logo by pixeldecals.com