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 Post subject: Finally! I 'see' what you are talking about
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:27 am 
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Been reading in here for 2 weeks now, various threads on engine longevity, drivability..
I'll back up! Just got 1 week ago, my Jeep crd. 2006 w/71k miles.
Build date august 3rd, 2006 4 pm. I drove to a dealer yesterday, to see about getting another key made, and had 75 miles to apply some of the tricks on the transmission to see if f37's been done. Yep.
When I set the cruise to exactly 60 mph, It'll accelerate to 60, but engine rpm will be ~2000. Then when I push down a tad on the fuel, about 2-3 mph worth, It'll go ahead and upshift. It'll hold it too as speed settles back down to 60.
rpm will then be ~1700
Whilst at the dealer, I asked if they could run the vin, and tell me any recall work, warrantee work. Sure! but I can't take it out the door with me!.. 'private information'. ok ok ok.. sheesh.
Late 2006 was a reflash, (f37 performed) but NOT until February 9th 2009 was the transmission dropped and TC replaced. Some other stuff was done internally in transmission too.. but I was hurried out, it was 5 pm... them boys wanted to get home!
Does that date of service mean anything here on the type of tc they installed?

Other issues I'll need to address before ol man winter! last week when ambient temps were in the 80's, temp gauge was running straight up... now that ambient has dropped to 40-50, engine temp is barely at the quarter hash mark. Also got to 'hear' the viscous heater kicking in and out! (you guys had no idea what the heck was running through my mind on this! WITHOUT a vehicle to look at, I could only speculate)!!! Now that I have one in my possession, It's far easier! ha ha.

Just ordered the upgraded fuel head, I'm not waiting for it to leak first... Then replace!

My oily orange interior cac hoses! time to change!
I'd sure like to do at least a gde eco ft tune.. plus do a ccv mod to get the oil out of the intake.
I'm in a no-inspection State, so no worries about just dumping to atmosphere.
What's the verdict on going with gde's trans tune, does that help it shift more like pre f 37s ?

What's been the leading cause of turbo failure?
Also, while in the 'big town' I stopped by wally world, and was disappointed on their selection of Mobil 1
.. No 0-40w or 0-30w. only 5-30 and 10-40w Is this kind of a hit and miss with them?
Last but not least!
On the tailgate, I have the normal 'Jeep', 'liberty' 'crd' badges... also have 'ROCKY' (lower right side of spare) what's 'rocky'?? is 'mountain' missing?
Thanks guys!
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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 9:55 am 
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If your temperature gauge is showing only 1/4 the thermostat needs replacing. Changed thermostats on both my crd,s now the gauge shows just under 1/2 no matter what the temperature is outside plus the engine will heat up much quicker. I have read posts here about modifying it (in line ) but I have stuck with original set up. But they only last a few years.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:10 am 
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Also on the temp gauge. A lot of us on here have gone with a cheap inline thermostat instead of buying another factory junk one. Some guys have argued that is causes uneven cooling so do your research and then make a decision.

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 Post subject: Re: Finally! I 'see' what you are talking about
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 7:04 pm 
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rancherman wrote:
When I set the cruise to exactly 60 mph, It'll accelerate to 60, but engine rpm will be ~2000. Then when I push down a tad on the fuel, about 2-3 mph worth, It'll go ahead and upshift. It'll hold it too as speed settles back down to 60.
rpm will then be ~1700 ........


I experienced broadly similar issues with my CRD, then took the advice of others here and serviced the trans (new Wix filter and fluid) and overfilled it by 1 1/2 quarts. Since then, I haven't had any issues in over 2k miles. 'Ya might want to try this relatively simple/inexpensive "fix" and see how it works for you.

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 Post subject: Re: Finally! I 'see' what you are talking about
PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 8:25 pm 
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With f37, the transmission will not shift into 5th until you get past 61 mph.
After the shift into 5th you can throttle down to about 1700 rpm which should be 57-58 mph.
Understand that not every CRD speedo is calibrated exactly the same. The dealer can somewhat recalibrate your speedo according to your tire size.

About turbo failure:
The most common cause of turbo failure is poor lunrication and lack of turbo cool down time. You should be using a oil rated for turbo diesel trucks.
Mobil 1 5w-40 TDT is good.
So is Shell Rotella 5w-40.
I'm sure there are others that I can't think of.
After long runs at highway speeds you should allow your engine to idle for a min or two to allow the turbo to cool down before shutting the engine off.

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 24, 2014 10:16 pm 
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flash7210 wrote:
With f37, the transmission will not shift into 5th until you get past 61 mph.
After the shift into 5th you can throttle down to about 1700 rpm which should be 57-58 mph.
Understand that not every CRD speedo is calibrated exactly the same. The dealer can somewhat recalibrate your speedo according to your tire size.

About turbo failure:
The most common cause of turbo failure is poor lunrication and lack of turbo cool down time. You should be using a oil rated for turbo diesel trucks.
Mobil 1 5w-40 TDT is good.
So is Shell Rotella 5w-40.
I'm sure there are others that I can't think of.
After long runs at highway speeds you should allow your engine to idle for a min or two to allow the turbo to cool down before shutting the engine off.


Thanks, and without regurgitating long battled threads on which oil is "best".. I just drained my days' bandwidth allowance on searching 'oils' in this forum!... And now you say Mobil 1 tdt 5w 40 is good.. Ok, I'll 'add' this to my potential list!!! ugggggh
I walked into wally world the other day, and was floored on the choices! I was not ready for the multitude of oils out there! ( I've been buying bulk fleet for my herd of diesel tractors, trucks, etc etc.. Conoco fleet 15w40 for the last 20 years) in convenient 55 gallon jugs! :)
don't worry, I'm not going to use it in the crd!!!
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 Post subject: Re: Finally! I 'see' what you are talking about
PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 12:20 am 
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I have the GDE towing trans tune in my 06 CRD and I am very happy with it. I had a 1500 RPM shudder problem (OE TC) in 5th gear when driving in the rolling hills near home. It never shuddered in 4th, but in the hills it was hard to maintain the right speed range to prevent the shift into 5th. With the towing tune it stays in 4th longer and the shudder problem disappeared. On flat land I can I force it to 5th with a quick sprint to 67 mph.

The best everyday price I have found on Rotella T6 5W40 is at Walmart in the US. I live in Canada and T6 is considerably more expensive here, so I usually pick up 3-4 gallons at a time when I am in the US. There may be better sale prices and/or mail-in rebates other places, but I rarely have time to run around looking for better deals. I think it was $21.74 per gallon back in August (in Michigan).

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 Post subject: Re: Finally! I 'see' what you are talking about
PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 7:29 am 
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Coolant temperature in your case is a clear indication of thermostat failure. I wouldn't recommend an in-line thermostat, either get a stock new, either go with an updated version (a bit pricey) from turbo diesel freak on this forum. viewtopic.php?t=75791

About turbo, our crd runs them pretty hot, and what kills a turbo is lack of lubrication and heat. So a good quality synthetic oil would take care of lubrication and heat when engine is running, but what's extremely important is the proper cool down the turbo gets, before you stop the engine. It's relatively safe to turn off the engine when turbo temperature is under oil shear temperature (under 400-ish), the lower, the better though. I do it under 300 degrees, and I'd wait more, but it takes few good minutes and I don't have the patience. Also important, when you do the cool down, turn of the Ac, this will help your cool down quite a lot since there will be less load on the engine. Now, if you don't have an egt gauge for the exhaust temperature, the manual says to leave the engine idling between 1 minute for when driving in the city without load to 4-5 minutes for when towing on the highway. Remember, this is very, very important, a new turbo not only costs good money (~1200) but it's a pain to replace.

Oil-wise, this is a never ending debate, about which oil is best. Chrysler recommends 0w40 mobil 1. This is a very good oil if you don't tow, especially in the winter. It's not a diesel dedicated oil, but works fine for crd, especially if you neuter the egr. It's also the thinnest oil in 40 weight at cold that you can buy in the states almost from any parts shop. I use it, but some folks don't like it. If you do tow regularly, I'd recommend a diesel oil such as shell rotella t6 or Mobil 1 turbo diesel truck.

Tune-wise, you should first see if you have a tune. Ask previous owner if you can, if not ask Keith at gde. He's a great guy, helps us a lot here on the forum and will let you know. I'd recommend to get the tune first thing for the jeep, then think about tcm tune. Gde tune is probably the best thing money can buy for crd.

Just check your transmission fluid you need to overfill about 1/4 inch on dipstick if I remember correctly, dipstick goes to deep in the pan.

Regarding torque converter, it's unlikely you got the "euro", so you may need to upgrade your torque converter if you go with a tune such as Eco full torque or hot tune. If you do that, go with Suncoast, best there is but a little pricey. Anyways, I'd trust more someone that builds torque converters for truck drag racing than anybody else. But if you're gentle with the throttle, you don't need to get the torque converter right away, just be gentle when accelerating and feel it starts to shudder. It usually happens when the 4th od turns on (50ish mph) or when the 5th kicks in (60-ish mph).

Turbo hoses, go with samco or mishimoto, best choices and high quality.

Viscous heater - I'd personally take the relay out, I live in Cleveland where is not hot in the winter and I don't miss it at all. Saves you some fuel.

Regarding ccv, I wouldn't worry about it. If your egr is not working or is removed (gde tune and weeks101 elbow kit), that ccv oil mist won't harm anything. Just remember to not overfill the oil, if you have oil about half way on dipstick, then ccv will push out minor oil mist volumes, as soon as you go towards full on dipstick, it pushes out more oil. Don't use ehm, especially if you're in a cold winter climate, you do more bad than good with that. If you really, really want, use a provent, you can buy it from idparts.com. But as I said, I wouldn't worry about the oil mist once you take care of the egr.

Regarding Trans tune, as I know gde can reflash your tcm to previous f37 state, and they also have a Trans tow tune, I don't know much about last since I tow twice a year few miles, and I don't need a tow flash for just that... There are few folks here that can give you more info.

Good luck with your new jeep!

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 Post subject: Re: Finally! I 'see' what you are talking about
PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 9:48 am 
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Great! This helps me a bunch! (clears up my confusion) I'm 'late to the party'
I can now classify 2 types of use; daily commuting, buzzing around... and severe duty type operations.. towing, extended high speed... etc.
I'll probably go with the more HD type oils. Keith @ GDE runs 15w40 rotella t6 in summer, and a Delo 10-30 winter time He told me to just use oem thermostats... I just need to replace them every 60-70k on average! edit; New idparts 'stat is ordered.


In my 35 yrs of automotive ownership... this is my first automatic transmission. I can understand the 'shuddering' talked about in here, (slippage of the clutch pack within the TC) Mine so far is ok. I'll not bet the farm this continues!
I just cant wrap my head around this: the euro and suncoast TC has larger springs... correct? so on a lockup tc, is the springs themselves applying lock pressure for the clutch, which means hydraulic pressure is used to 'disengage'? I always figured the hydraulic pressure was used to 'apply'... So why would larger springs help out here? LOL.... forgive me, but like I said.. I'm a stick and clutch guy here

When I googled the part # for euro TC, I landed in http://www.moparpartsoverstock.com/p/__ ... 142AA.html they had that # along with about 5 other #'s combined on a rebuilt unit.. for about 363 bucks.. and 100 core.
Is this the correct one?

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11-3-14 oem stat installed
11-5-14 gen II FH installed.
Sasquatch elbow kit, samcos, GDE eco FT. 11-26-14
80,500 miles, engine is disassembled, awaiting parts 3/18
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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 11:10 am 
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Keith's choice for winter oil is very smart, I was planning on trying the Mobil 1 5w30 extended performance (the goldish one) with oil analysis every 2k miles for winter.

Regarding thermostat, the one turbo diesel freak makes is an improved oem version with serviceable thermostat, so you can spend only few bucks to swap it rather than the whole unit.

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Slight correction to our oil usage. Delo 15W-40 in the summer and RotellaT6 5W-40 in the winter.

In the torque converter lock up clutch there are 4 springs (if I recollect). These are set in the 'windows' of the clutch pack and can absorb maybe 15 degrees of movement before they bottom out in allowed travel. The spring rate of the 4 springs determine the clutch capacity. Stock is 300ftlb and euro is 400ftlb. When the engine torque exceeds the limit on the springs, they bottom out and now the torsionals are transferred directly to the clutch friction surface. The disc will slip a bit and then stick again multiple times and feel like running over rumble strips.

Some TC manufacturers will increase the friction surface area of clutch to increase the capacity in case the springs bottom out. One could use dual rate springs or redesign the clutch to have larger windows for bigger springs. Ideally, you would not want the springs to bottom ever, but too stiff of springs tend to lead to more vibration throughout the drive line.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 5:57 pm 
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Hey Keith, without trying to hijack the thread, what are your personal thoughts regarding using a thinner oil for winter time? Considering short drives of let's say 15-30 miles, no towing, a disabled egr (so no soot and no specific need for oil detergents made to deal with it) and increased oil changes? I'm thinking the oil won't pass 160-180 degrees anyways, so the need of a special diesel oil isn't as important, even though is desired. The fact that you use 40 weight diesel oil has anything to do with the composition/ingredients of the oil? I'm just curious what your thoughts are, and I'm by no means trying to stir a debate on oils, lol.

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PostPosted: Thu Sep 25, 2014 8:26 pm 
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GreenDieselEngineering wrote:
Slight correction to our oil usage. Delo 15W-40 in the summer and RotellaT6 5W-40 in the winter.

In the torque converter lock up clutch there are 4 springs (if I recollect). These are set in the 'windows' of the clutch pack and can absorb maybe 15 degrees of movement before they bottom out in allowed travel. The spring rate of the 4 springs determine the clutch capacity. Stock is 300ftlb and euro is 400ftlb. When the engine torque exceeds the limit on the springs, they bottom out and now the torsionals are transferred directly to the clutch friction surface. The disc will slip a bit and then stick again multiple times and feel like running over rumble strips.

Some TC manufacturers will increase the friction surface area of clutch to increase the capacity in case the springs bottom out. One could use dual rate springs or redesign the clutch to have larger windows for bigger springs. Ideally, you would not want the springs to bottom ever, but too stiff of springs tend to lead to more vibration throughout the drive line.


Sorry about the misquote keith! I'm 53, and my mind is like a steel trap... rusty and the spring is broke...
Hey, I at least got the brands correct! whoo. I was so amazed my cell phone worked that day, I forgot to write down your recommendations!
I'm Robert, who called you Wednesday about your products. (eco tune, and TC, 'stat.. )

So, these 'springs' are kinda like the hub damper springs in a dry clutch manual transmission?

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thermorex wrote:
Keith's choice for winter oil is very smart, I was planning on trying the Mobil 1 5w30 extended performance (the goldish one) with oil analysis every 2k miles for winter.

Regarding thermostat, the one turbo diesel freak makes is an improved oem version with serviceable thermostat, so you can spend only few bucks to swap it rather than the whole unit.



hey, regarding this or that oil... some are diesel approved, some are not. Are the additives within those oils fuel specific? ie; diesel oil is set up to handle the diesel fuel blowby.. and gasser engine oil is suited for what the gasoline blowby will do to it? I'm no chemist.. so be gentle!
edit: I don't have a OP gauge, but was wondering what kind of pressure these engines are making (or SHOULD BE MAKING)...
Idle hot, and @ speed? I hope it's a little better than my Toyo 22re and it's 3-5 psi @ idle! :roll:

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11-3-14 oem stat installed
11-5-14 gen II FH installed.
Sasquatch elbow kit, samcos, GDE eco FT. 11-26-14
80,500 miles, engine is disassembled, awaiting parts 3/18
Budget?? Sure! 'Everything I have'.
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rancherman wrote:
thermorex wrote:
Keith's choice for winter oil is very smart, I was planning on trying the Mobil 1 5w30 extended performance (the goldish one) with oil analysis every 2k miles for winter.

Regarding thermostat, the one turbo diesel freak makes is an improved oem version with serviceable thermostat, so you can spend only few bucks to swap it rather than the whole unit.



hey, regarding this or that oil... some are diesel approved, some are not. Are the additives within those oils fuel specific? ie; diesel oil is set up to handle the diesel fuel blowby.. and gasser engine oil is suited for what the gasoline blowby will do to it? I'm no chemist.. so be gentle!
edit: I don't have a OP gauge, but was wondering what kind of pressure these engines are making (or SHOULD BE MAKING)...
Idle hot, and @ speed? I hope it's a little better than my Toyo 22re and it's 3-5 psi @ idle! :roll:

I understand the difference in additives various oil have, especially diesel vs gas, some oils are approved to use on diesel, especially the newer ones and some even have aceea approval, some api, some both. Still think some thinner oils with one of those certifications can be used in light duty diesels.

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GreenDieselEngineering wrote:
Slight correction to our oil usage. Delo 15W-40 in the summer and RotellaT6 5W-40 in the winter.

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15w-40 conventional oil in the summer?
Seems fine to me and its cheaper, but wouldn't it require shorter oil changer intervals?

What about Shell Rotella T5 10w-30 semi synthetic?

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It seems Keith opened Pandora's box with his oil, lol, he may not get back to any of us due to an infinite amount of follow up questions, lol.

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Keep in mind the base engine dates back to around 2000. The VM oil specification on the 2005-2006 KJ in Europe, Australia, and every other export market list a diesel oil of CG-4 or CH-4 rating or newer (equates to a B3 and B4 ACEA rating in Europe). It does not even list a requirement for dino or synthetic oil or blends. VM recommends oil viscosity based on ambient temperature.

The following oils are good from -10 C to 40 C: 15W40
From -15 C to 40 C: 10W40 and 10W50
From -15 C to 30 C: 10W30
From -30 C to 40 C: 5W40 and 5W50
From -30 C to 30 C: 5W30

This is also an excerpt from the specs:
Use of multi grade oils is suggested.
Most commonly used: 10W40 and 15W40.
Synthetic oil 5W40 is suggested to improve the cold startability.

One big item to notice is the 0W-40 oil is not listed outside North America. Chrysler added the 0W oil to help the cold start in Canada and VM let it ride.

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You should be paying attention to suffixes on your oil of choice: the oil must be formulated for TURBODIESEL operation, where engine oil is used to lubricate the turbocharger, with Exhaust Gas Temperatures EGT normally approaching ^1200deg F under full loading - modern gasoline engines are also available with turbochargers, so the spec for their oils were required to be increased, also

The API service spec for turbocharged Diesel engines is CI-4, CH-4, CG-4 and turbocharged gasoline engine API spec is SJ and SL - the Diesel and gasoline ratings are usuallly combined in modern oils CI-4, CH-4, CG-4/SJ, SL - any lesser oil will easily 'coke' (high temperature burns the oil into carbon) in the center bearing housing, with the result of returning gritty engine oil to the crankcase - oils rated for turbocharger service are formulated to withstand very high temperatures and resist coking - this can still happen if the turbocharger under heavy loading is not allowed a cool down period prior to turning the ignition key off

Coking eats the full-floating turbine-shaft bearings, the precision bores in the center housing, and the turbine shaft surfaces, usually called 'turbo failure'

The TURBODIESEL oil formulations also help to reduce soot, which is also burned carbon from the combustion process which bypasses the pistons\rings - helps keep crankcase oil cleaner

Soot is also major component in black smoke roiling outta yer tailpipe, which is unburned Diesel fuel - imagine how fuel-efficient that must be

I prefer synthetic oils which are more resistant to high temperature degradation, and provide less rotational resistance, which result is better efficiency - engine doesn't have to work as hard overcoming it's own deficiencies...................

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 Post subject: Re: Finally! I 'see' what you are talking about
PostPosted: Fri Sep 26, 2014 4:38 pm 
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Thanks guys, I appreciate the input! I was planning on using Mobil1 5w30 extended performance for the winter, which is only ACEA A1/B1, without knowing our CRD needs ACEA A3/B3. But I found Valvoline has a good 5w30 one (Synpower MST) which is ACEA A3/B3/B4 (there is another Synpower without MST which does not have ACEA A3/B3/B4), according to their specs. So this one will be the candidate for winter!

Valvolyne SynPower MST 5w30:
Vis @ 100°C (cSt) 12.0
Vis @ 40°C (cSt) 72.0

Mobil1 0w40:
Vis @ 100º C (cSt) 13.5
Vis @ 40º C (cSt) 75

As a note, it doesn't seem to be a whole lot of difference in viscosity in between them, especially at cold... Pour point is within 2 degrees.

Thanks a lot again!

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