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PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 9:16 pm 
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How cold does it have to get before you have to plug in your CRD to avoid drivability issues?

If we do not plug ours in anywhere from 40 to single digits, it will not shift right. It's like the transmission is slipping. Just like it was when the lightening bolt light was on.

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Curious if this is normal or if I am having a problem that needs fixed.

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 Post subject: Re: How cold does it have to get before you have to plug in
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Two separate issues
1. plug in (timer set for ca 2 hrs before start is ok) if below 20-15F helps with crank up but not so much drivability
2. transmission won't shift properly until tranny fluid is warm enough, plug in won't help. Main symptom is not shifting into "upper" gears; if it feels like it's slipping add ca. 1/2qt of ATF+4; tranny likes more fluid rather than less.

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 Post subject: How cold does it have to get before you have to plug in your
PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:20 pm 
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Never had this issues and I started the car below 20 many times. Till it won't get warm, it would not lock up, but that's it...

Oh, and to add to papaindigo's comments, you can leave it plugged all day, won't overheat at all, max it gets is 1/8th of the full gauge.

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 Post subject: Re: How cold does it have to get before you have to plug in
PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:45 pm 
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Yep. We just plug it in when we park it. Kind of a pain. Somebody posted a while back that they installed a diesel heater. I would definitely go that route if it weren't for the cash. It's a much better route anyway. Your heater works anywhere. And the cab heater option is a bonus.

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 Post subject: Re: How cold does it have to get before you have to plug in
PostPosted: Mon Dec 08, 2014 10:48 pm 
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papaindigo wrote:
Two separate issues
1. plug in (timer set for ca 2 hrs before start is ok) if below 20-15F helps with crank up but not so much drivability
2. transmission won't shift properly until tranny fluid is warm enough, plug in won't help. Main symptom is not shifting into "upper" gears; if it feels like it's slipping add ca. 1/2qt of ATF+4; tranny likes more fluid rather than less.


I seriously doubt that a magnetic trans pan heater would be a good idea on one of these vehicles. I can see the magnet part messing something up.

Do they make a different pan heater for aluminum pans?

Just plugging the block heater in seems to cure our cold transmission issues

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95 2 door Tahoe 6.5td
94 K3500 cc srw 5 speed 6.5td
91 International Model 6 speed spicer 4700


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 Post subject: Re: How cold does it have to get before you have to plug in
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May be because you let it plug in a lot, and that residual heat warms up the transmission a bit. There are lots of heaters, from in pan mount to electric blankets. Look on summit racing for some ideas. The transmission heater shouldn't heat past 150 imo, what I've found so far was no specs on warmer and ppl saying they love it bc they evaporate the water from oil, I one don't want 212+ degrees in transmission...

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 Post subject: Re: How cold does it have to get before you have to plug in
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This morning it was 18 degrees here in Durango CO.
My CRD would crank and crank but not start.
Plugged in the block heater for about 15 minutes and it started up right away.

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I plug it in with a timer anytime it gets below freezing. Makes it start and warm up quicker.

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PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 11:09 am 
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flash7210 wrote:
This morning it was 18 degrees here in Durango CO.
My CRD would crank and crank but not start.
Plugged in the block heater for about 15 minutes and it started up right away.


Long live the etecno metallic glow plugs, lol. Wonder why you had that problem though, I started my jeep with the etecno on 9*F, it didn't start easy though, but I had dual batteries back then also...

I plug mine in all the time in the winter, and jeep sits in heated garage that never gets under 45 degrees, this more for convenience of having heat and not waiting for engine warmup.

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 Post subject: Re: How cold does it have to get before you have to plug in
PostPosted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 6:35 pm 
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That's why I won't get rid of my ceramic glow plugs. When one goes bad I will just replace it. Maybe when I do the Week's intake or my timing belt change I will change all the ceramic plugs. Will be good for another 100K.


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