I'm wondering, when you put a new engine in a vehicle, specifically the CRD, how does it affect the value?
Do people care about the miles at that point?
Does it increase the value over others that haven't had a new engine?

Usually decreases value since a engine had to be replaced what else has been abused/neglected.The 1 nagging ? in a buyers mind.

A big mistake a lot of people think is that repairing any stuff that is broken adds value to their vehicle. The reality is that buyers usually expect a used vehicle to be in working condition so the question you really need to ask is how is value affected by broken engine?

I totally agree with what tjkj2002 pointed out. I was recently looking for a small runaround for my son. One of the candidates, a few years old ,and only about 25k on the clock boasted a new clutch. My immediate reaction was how has the PO been driving it to need a new clutch at such low mileage?

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I would agree with both of you on most vehicles. But, my confusion on this one is because the CRDs are known to have this issue very early and most think there should be a recall. We have only done normal, mostly highway, driving - no off road, no hard stuff. We've never lost an engine in any other vehicle and are good to our vehicles. We have 2 others that have nearly 300,000 miles and we were the original owner of one. We've had the other since maybe 60,000 miles. The first is a manual and has never ever had a clutch replaced, an engine replaced, or anything major. The second finally had it's transmission replaced last year, and that, too, was a known issue with that model. But, still, it made it far longer than most others of its kind.

So, considering I've seen a lot of the CRDs on this forum that lost an engine, and the fact that we are not off-roaders or do anything rough, I thought this might be a good thing (not for us, obviously) since the buyer would know that it is brand new and not going to go out on them any time soon - plus all new parts.

What else could be bad if it is mechanically sound, good tires, brakes, etc. If the interior is spotless and service records are available and all, what would a buyer worry about if everything is disclosed?

If it does decrease the value, as you say, then by how much do you think?

I wouldn't worry too much about it decreasing the value. It's only going to affect the value if you disclose it which, of course, you're not obliged to do.

If it were mine I'd simply lose the invoice for the repair from my service documentation. I'd be happy to get market value for a vehicle this age and mileage and wouldn't try and use the replacement engine as a selling feature.

Of course it stands to reason that you shouldn't lie if a prospective buyer asks about major incidents. Just don't volunteer this information.

You might get lucky and find an enthusiast but in reality you're unlikely to be selling to someone who knows this vehicle. You can't exactly send them here to educate themselves because 30 minutes in this forum is enough to scare the shyte out of anyone.

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Hmmm. I didn't expect that answer, Dirtmover. I figured most people would be happier knowing it was new. I know quite a bit about this vehicle and I've worked on my own in the past, so I would be happier knowing something had new components. It's just strange to me. But, of course, I am the type of person that is always happier knowing something inside and out. I have a relative who would rather not know anything, and that boggles my brain. So, I guess I can see that some buyers are both uninformed and want to stay that way. Not me, but oh well.

So, do you think enthusiasts pay more or less for the same vehicle? Does knowing more keep the price lower or make it more desirable?
Where would you advertise?

Also, can you tell me how much you think a small dent in a front quarter panel would reduce the selling price?

I think it greatly depends on the buyer. You can definitely find a buyer willing to pay couple grands more for a new engine. I know I would. The issue I may have is how drove the car after the engine replacement, and for how long. Also, why the engine got toasted. What exactly is a new engine? New, rebuilt? What accessories had been changed? How many miles on the jeep and how many on the new engine?

I'd list it on ebay with reserve price and also on autotrader. If this won't work, try craigslist, but be ready to receive ridiculous low balling...

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Yes, this is what I was thinking. Since the reason the engine went out was simply due to whatever the manufacturers did and not due to overuse/abuse, I thought a new engine would be better. And, if we don't drive it after getting the new engine and give all the records for the engine so they can see what they are getting - for an enthusiast at least - I would think that would be a plus. But, since I'm not really an enthusiast of any vehicle, maybe I don't know.

How many miles are on this CRD?

When the engine was removed was the torque converter replaced?
If yes, was transmission pump replaced?
What about the rear drive shaft u joints?
And the front drive shaft CV joints?
And the upgraded fuel filter assembly?
(I would assume new motor mounts were installed with the new engine)

These are all things that are known to break or wear out early in life and all could have been done while the engine was out.

If I were to buy a used CRD I would expect the engine to be running. And if you told me the engine was replaced recently I would ask all the above questions.
I'm not gonna pay top dollar for a used vehicle that I know would need all those parts eventually.

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Good to know flash. I will take this to the mechanic and ask the same questions.

If you do all that, you may as well keep it as you won't get your money back. If you plan on selling it, just make it work with minimum money.

Regarding selling it, again, it depends on the buyer. Most KJ buyers don't want to hear about diesel. Then what's left are diesel enthusiasts, foreign folks usually Europeans that like diesels or people that don't really care what engine is on the car. The Crd has a very narrow market in my opinion. But you'll be sorry if you at least don't try getting a good buck for it. Be prepared though to answer why the engine went bad and needed to be replaced, since the reason you provided is not good enough imo.

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I'm not understanding what other reason for the engine going bad there could be for me to give. We have only used it to commute to work and for one long-distance vacation 3 years ago. We use synthetic oil. We did the ecotune. We did regular maintenance, etc.

We originally bought the CRD to turn it into a veggie oil car, but quickly decided that could be fatal to the engine. So, we never did it and never used it for its intended purpose. It just became another car to us. In the end, I guess it didn't matter if we killed the engine with veggie oil because it died anyway.

I read on this forum all about engines on the CRD that have failed and how there should be a recall - unknown reasons - possibly how the rockers fail due to getting dirty, etc. and that we should use an elephant mod, etc. I am assuming that any enthusiast is going to know about that issue. We didn't do anything wrong or rough. We've never trailered anything or gone off road, either. Only carried a kayak on top a half dozen times at most on a paved road to a lake. I don't know how the first owner treated it, but that was long ago and the dealership told us it was a local and they had regular maintenance there. The only thing I ever did wrong was pull onto a steep road that was a sheet of ice and slowly, painstakingly edged into another car, denting the front corner slightly. No high speed collision. Nothing else damaged. I barely felt it happen - more like falling onto a pillow. That is the worst it has been through with us.

I treat my Honda van that has nearly 300,000 miles on it more like a work truck and have carried big loads in it and taken it on rougher roads than the Jeep and attempted extremely steep mountain roads in it. It's engine has never failed me and I've had it 4 years longer. It finally got a new transmission at 250,000 miles, but that, too, was a known issue on that model and ours lasted 100,000 miles longer than most. I'm still driving it with no engine problems of any kind. I have had another Honda since it was new well over 23 years ago. I have never replaced the engine, transmission, or clutch. It is rough, but it has never failed. I also take it on worse roads than I've ever taken the Jeep on, especially considering it was never meant to go down some of the driveways I do in it because it is so low to the ground. But, it is old and cheap and sure-footed, so I do it. The Jeep has never had to negotiate potholes like that car. So, I'm not sure what other reason I could give for the CRD engine except that it was some kind of manufacturing or engineering flaw.

I'm open to hearing your questions or what I need to know. I'm just not sure what I'm supposed to know or how I could know why it failed. Any other comments or suggestions are welcome. I am trying to understand and trying to make the best decisions I can considering the circumstances.

What I really want to know is what it will be worth - either while it is torn apart or when it gets put back together. If I could go back, I would have sold it as is before we fixed it, but we thought it wasn't going to be that much and wanted to sell it in good shape. Turned out to be bigger than we thought.

When an engine fails, it must have a cause for the failure. Like Geordi's Crd popped a rod through the block supposedly due to a pre turbo failure. Other people overheated and had cylinder head issues. Others had timing belt failure damaging rockers and sometimes the valves. Others had a turbo failure and ran out of oil and destroyed the low end of the block and components. Those are few examples that I remember and this is what I mean by what was the cause. Not saying you or anybody else did something wrong, intentionally or unintentionally. Just curious on what the cause of the engine failure was, as any buyer would wonder why would you replace a working engine and why original engine failed. There can't be a flaw to the engine, as most of them run just fine if properly maintained and operated. Granted, it's not one of the most robust engines ever built, but properly maintained its a pretty mean 4 banger beast.

Also, if you can share what is wrong with the Crd, we may help somehow with some advices, as we would know more details and you'd get more answers from more people.

With a nonfunctional engine, you may get 1-3000 max. With a working engine, you can get anywhere between 5000-14000, depending on mileage and condition. A 250k+ miles, it goes towards 5000-ish, at 25-35k it can go towards 14k. This is just me throwing some numbers, the price depends greatly on working condition, aspect and mileage

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Age, location, supply and demand also play a big part.

OP, have you actually replaced the engine or are you fishing to figure out if you'll get the payback from replacing it? Have you had it properly diagnosed to find out what went wrong? You do realise that your "new" engine will suffer the same deficiencies as the failed one. This would be the first question I'd throw back at you if you told me it failed due to design defects.

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Exactly, nobody will get a car 1000miles away if it's not a super-doper price...

Good point with the questions too.

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All good questions. Problem is, I'm thoroughly confused as to the answer now. I am hoping the mechanic will be able to answer some of them, or my husband. I'll let it go for tonight and ask the husband later.

No, I'm not fishing. The engine is out. No decision to be made. It has to go back in. We made that educated choice and came up short. Thought it was just going to be the rockers and that was it. Not so. We went down the long path instead of the short. Now we have to get it done and decide what to do next. I like the Jeep, but it has never really been what we've needed and I figure if the engine is new, that's the time to sell, unless we can't get enough.