How to tell if Euro Torque Converter has been installed?

CRDDude · **Posted:** Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:08 pm

I bought my 2005 CRD used in 2008. I'm curious to find out if there is anyway to tell if the Euro Torque Converter has been installed.

papaindigo · **Posted:** Fri Jun 26, 2015 2:34 pm

Not externally. Best you can hope for is a listing of repairs done from like CarFax or DCJ. It would not have been installed as part of the F-37 recall unless the owner at the time had one installed (the F-37 recall to the extent that it authorized a TC replacement based on a drive test only authorized the regular TC not the Euro which came out in 07)

gmctd · **Posted:** Fri Jun 26, 2015 4:39 pm

Absolute best way to tell is: if your KJ wallows off the line like a fat sow, you have the EURO TC - problem being, it also wallows off the line like a fat sow with the oem TC - write SANTA for a HEMI TC - you'll like it...................

WWDiesel · **Posted:** Fri Jun 26, 2015 7:39 pm

If you want the absolute very best bullet proof torque converter there is available, get yourself a Suncoast and never have a TC problem again no matter what you do the motor or what you may tow....it will more than handle it :wink:

It is one tough TC....

Mountainman · **Posted:** Fri Jun 26, 2015 11:10 pm

You can tell if it has an upgraded TC by buying the GDE or other engine tune that brings the torque back to stock or better as it will shudder (nasty vibration in the drivetrain) around 50mph. No shudder, and it's not the stock garbage.

DOC4444 · **Posted:** Sat Jun 27, 2015 8:16 pm

To clarify, drive at a constant 55 MPH onto a 20% grade. Then go to roughly half throttle so you accelerate to 60 without unlocking the TC. (It feels like a downshift, if you do.)

If the Jeep shakes like crazy under these circumstances, you do not have an adequate TC. Obviously, a power increase will increase the problem.

We have had the Euro in for almost 100K miles with lots of towing 5K lbs and GDE HOT tune. So far, so good.

DOC

CRDDude · **Posted:** Mon Jun 29, 2015 2:47 pm

Thanks all!

I'm thinking it must have the Euro TC as I have the GDE standard tune or "eco" tune and I have not noticed any shuddering. I'll try the specific driving recommendation though to see if I can induce shudder and check carfax...

I will probably end up Suncoasting it anyway, since that has gotten so many good recommendations from fellow CRDer's. Maybe I can work in a trip to Florida to have them install it.

Has anyone here done a comparison thread between the HEMI converter and Suncoast?

:JEEPIN:

papaindigo · **Posted:** Mon Jun 29, 2015 3:05 pm

If I was you and I'm not I'd leave it alone unless you have $s you want to spend and no higher priorities (e.g. if it an't broke don't fix it). The OEM TC is "ok" as long as you don't flog it too much. My son's stock TC and GDE Eco-tune dragged a fully loaded, 2 passenger CRD, and fully loaded U-Haul 5 X 8 trailer 1,900 miles one way and 1,300 miles the other. We experienced very light shudder exactly twice both times on a slight grade under modest acceleration in OD in the first 50 miles of the second trip. Hit OD button and shudder immediately stopped.

I know exactly how shudder feels. Installed a GDE Stage II turbo on my 08 with stock TC and GDE turbo tune, warmed up, hoped on road in front of geordi's old place, hit throttle, shut down in 100', yep that will generate shudder. Drove the next few hundred miles with that same setup with a light foot and zero shudder until I could get to Suncoast.

Suncoast makes a great product but any decent shop can install a Euro if you are not close to Suncoast.

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