Yet Another Motor Oil Question

GordnadoCRD · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2016 1:03 am

Is anyone here familiar with this product, or have personal experience with it?

https://www.amazon.com/TRIAX-Fleet-Ecel ... 742FJYYYHQ

PZKW108 · **Joined:** Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:23 pm **Posts:** 461

Extreme drain interval 80,000 miles and up for semi trucks

GordnadoCRD · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2016 5:27 am

Companies like Fed-Ex, UPS, and some large OTR carrier fleets never change their oil. They only change the filters on schedule, and add when the level drops.

I've never verified it personally but was told by someone doing service work for U-Haul, that they (at that time) welded all their drain plugs on so customers couldn't take it upon themselves to perform service work.

It's the kind of world they've created by letting the accountants run everything.

It's a brand unfamiliar to me though, but the price seems fairly competitive to others of appropriate / similar grade and viscosity.

mass-hole · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:43 am

GordnadoCRD wrote:

Companies like Fed-Ex, UPS, and some large OTR carrier fleets never change their oil. They only change the filters on schedule, and add when the level drops.

I've never verified it personally but was told by someone doing service work for U-Haul, that they (at that time) welded all their drain plugs on so customers couldn't take it upon themselves to perform service work.

It's the kind of world they've created by letting the accountants run everything.

It's a brand unfamiliar to me though, but the price seems fairly competitive to others of appropriate / similar grade and viscosity.

I was gunna say, It's practically the same price as Rotella T6.

Are these companies adding oil additive packages or something? What would make this oil able to withstand 100000 miles while my Rotella is only good for 10k at most.

Edit: Quote from the questions section:

"Pickup trucks (RAM, Chevy, Ford, etc) - 15,000 miles, off-road haulers ( 5 gal sump or more) - 30,000 miles. On highway semi-trucks (Peterbilt, Freightliner, Volvo, etc) with 10 gallon sump - 80,000 miles."

flash7210 · **Posted:** Fri Oct 07, 2016 9:46 am

Never heard of it.
No reviews on BITOG forum.
But the price seems very reasonable.

I wouldnt run it out to 80k miles. Thats only for ling haul truckers.
But if you do use it please do an oil analysis so we can compare to other oils.

Drewd · **Joined:** Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:24 pm **Posts:** 902

If you speak to truckers most take an oil up to 15k and use oil analysis to determine if they can go further. Any savings from using a "special" oil that can go to long oil change intervals is lost with the cost of oil analysis.

The TBN of this oil is nothing special. 10 years ago I was using oil that had a 11.2 TBN in my VW TDI Jetta. I took it up to 12,500 mile oil change intervals and could have taken it up to 15k but was concerned about the level of insolubles (SOOT) going over 3% which could increase engine wear due to abrasion. My TBN was decent at 12.5k miles but viscosity was starting to fall out of spec too in addition to insolubles. My driving is over 95% highway miles with a 60 mile commute each way each day at 80 to 85 mph.

Are there semi trucks that can go that far on an oil change interval? Yes but they have bypass filters and undergo oil analysis. Unless you engine is driven at 1200 rpm at highway speeds for 10+ hours/day, I wouldn't waste my time trying to extend an oil change interval past 12,500 miles.

BTW, my new ride with 2.0 GDI turbo motor destroys oil after 5k miles and that is with 0w40 oil in lieu of 5w30 oil factory recommends. I'm going to try 5w40 to see if it stays in viscosity better but I'm not too optimistic.....this little motor shears motor oil quickly.

GordnadoCRD · **Posted:** Sun Oct 09, 2016 12:28 pm

I wasn't asking in terms of whether this could be used to extend change interval. Comparing commuter / family vehicle service intervals to long haul trucks is comparing apples to lawn mowers. They are simply two completely different critters, so best to stick with whatever maintenance schedule is already working, no matter what oil I use.

I was more throwing it out there as a possibility of another suitable oil that is widely available (Amazon) at a competitive price. I'm fairly certain I'm not the only one that looks for volume savings in such things. I had never heard of it though, and was wondering if anyone else was familiar with it.

Drewd · **Joined:** Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:24 pm **Posts:** 902

The manufacturer website says it is a "Polyalpha" oil. If it is a true Polyalphaolefin (group IV) basestock oil then it would probably be better than Mobil or Rotella 5w40 which are Visom (Group III+) base stock. The question is how much of it is PAO and is it blended with any other base stocks?

If you are doing 5k oil change intervals then any CJ-4 5w40 will do. Differences in oils typically show up with extended oil intervals which CRD owners are reluctant to do due to the engine's high soot loading......something is causing rocker/lifter failures in USA CRDs and it is thought to be soot loading and EGR function. Nobody knows for sure which is why I did 5k OCIs in my KJ CRD despite EGR being deleted. Another side question: Anybody have rocker/lifter failure with EGR delete/reduction via tune and 5k OCIs using 5w40?????

I won't use this oil because I can get a gallon of Delo 5w40 esp for $19.99/gallon locally. If someone can determine if this oils is really a PAO oil with no Group 1 or 2 basestocks, then I may consider using it for extended OCIs in all of my vehicles.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com is a better forum to ask oil related questions and perhaps someone has experience with this oil there.

Thanks for finding this oil and I'm hoping we can learn more about it.

mass-hole · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:34 am

Drewd wrote:

The manufacturer website says it is a "Polyalpha" oil. If it is a true Polyalphaolefin (group IV) basestock oil then it would probably be better than Mobil or Rotella 5w40 which are Visom (Group III+) base stock. The question is how much of it is PAO and is it blended with any other base stocks?

If you are doing 5k oil change intervals then any CJ-4 5w40 will do. Differences in oils typically show up with extended oil intervals which CRD owners are reluctant to do due to the engine's high soot loading......something is causing rocker/lifter failures in USA CRDs and it is thought to be soot loading and EGR function. Nobody knows for sure which is why I did 5k OCIs in my KJ CRD despite EGR being deleted. Another side question: Anybody have rocker/lifter failure with EGR delete/reduction via tune and 5k OCIs using 5w40?????

I won't use this oil because I can get a gallon of Delo 5w40 esp for $19.99/gallon locally. If someone can determine if this oils is really a PAO oil with no Group 1 or 2 basestocks, then I may consider using it for extended OCIs in all of my vehicles.

http://www.bobistheoilguy.com is a better forum to ask oil related questions and perhaps someone has experience with this oil there.

Thanks for finding this oil and I'm hoping we can learn more about it.

I put in the Amsoil dual bypass filter kit last oil change so I am going to sample some of it at 4500-5000 miles and send it to blackstone to see what they say. I may start trying to extend it out a bit if all looks good.

The oil is still black after 3000 miles, I was hoping the amsoil would really clean it up, but it may just be that some of the soot is <2 micron.

mass-hole · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2016 11:50 am

Drewd wrote:

If you speak to truckers most take an oil up to 15k and use oil analysis to determine if they can go further. Any savings from using a "special" oil that can go to long oil change intervals is lost with the cost of oil analysis.

The TBN of this oil is nothing special. 10 years ago I was using oil that had a 11.2 TBN in my VW TDI Jetta. I took it up to 12,500 mile oil change intervals and could have taken it up to 15k but was concerned about the level of insolubles (SOOT) going over 3% which could increase engine wear due to abrasion. My TBN was decent at 12.5k miles but viscosity was starting to fall out of spec too in addition to insolubles. My driving is over 95% highway miles with a 60 mile commute each way each day at 80 to 85 mph.

Are there semi trucks that can go that far on an oil change interval? Yes but they have bypass filters and undergo oil analysis. Unless you engine is driven at 1200 rpm at highway speeds for 10+ hours/day, I wouldn't waste my time trying to extend an oil change interval past 12,500 miles.

BTW, my new ride with 2.0 GDI turbo motor destroys oil after 5k miles and that is with 0w40 oil in lieu of 5w30 oil factory recommends. I'm going to try 5w40 to see if it stays in viscosity better but I'm not too optimistic.....this little motor shears motor oil quickly.

I wonder if they did the same thing as ford on the EcoBoost and ran the PCV lines to the manifold instead of pre-turbo like on the jeep. My truck tends to be at some level of boost pretty much all the time which means the PCV isnt doing much to clear things out. I can tell you with certainty that rerouting the lines pre-turbo made a huge difference in the amount of gas in the oil for me.

WWDiesel · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2016 3:16 pm

Just curious; never worked on a ford ecoboost, does it have a vacuum pump, and if not, where does it get vacuum for the power brakes or does it not use vacuum for the brakes???
Interesting that you say it has boost at most all times. :shock:

mass-hole · **Posted:** Tue Oct 11, 2016 7:41 pm

WWDiesel wrote:

Just curious; never worked on a ford ecoboost, does it have a vacuum pump, and if not, where does it get vacuum for the power brakes or does it not use vacuum for the brakes???
Interesting that you say it has boost at most all times. :shock:

I will have to dig into the vacuum pump thing, im not positive, but it does spend a lot of time in boost. If you let off the throttle it goes to vacuum like any other gas motor, it just spends most of its throttle time in boost.

The DI turbo'd combo really is like driving a diesel. It spools by 1500 rpms and makes enough power that it can drag itself up all the hills around here locked out in 6th. Its not aerodynamic weighs 6500 lbs with the cap so it tends to need to be in boost to make the power it needs to move.

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