Project: designing a coolant heater for the CRD that will do a better job heating the engine block and giving interior heat immediately.

Request: a driver in MN who can volunteer their CRD for a 2-week period for development and testing.

Reward: if design is successful, free coolant heater installed in the truck + $100 IDParts gift card.

PM me with your information if you are interested. Please also include any modifications you have done to your truck.

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2005 KJ CRD - EURO TC, GDE ECO-FT, GDE TRANS, Lift Pump(<- hard to install, worth it) = 32+ MPG highway and a great ride
Product & Catalog Director @ IDParts.com (888) 444-7951 sales@idparts.com http://www.idparts.com

I'm in England, so can't help, but I am very interested in getting one if you go ahead with the project.

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Light Khaki 2.8CRD: TJM alloy bumper; Skid Row &Asfir skids;ext. breathers; SAMCO hoses; Grabber At3 235/70/16; Fumoto; Euro TC; Odyssey PC1500;GDE FTEcotune; OME lift; lightforce driving lights;ARB diff cover;nylon fan+Hayden2905;ss vortex exhaust; Airflow snorkel; Frontrunner roofrack; rock rails

I'm closer than england.

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http://www.Colorado4Wheel.com
"Its not about what you can DO with your Jeep, its about where you can GO with your Jeep."
Knowledgeable - But Caustic

I'm not in MN, but I know how to get there.

How will this compare to a Webasto? Will it have a remote start like Steve's does?

Are you talking about a diesel powered heater?

Something that will work, no matter where you are.

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2006 Jeep Liberty CRD 142,000 miles New engine 2-2014, Green Eco tune, FS2500 bypass filter Weeks elbow, European Torque converter, brakes front UCA's wheel bearing and front hubs. Front hitch OEM lift pump
98 K2500 Suburban 6.5td
96 K1500 " 6.5td
95 2 door Tahoe 6.5td
94 K3500 cc srw 5 speed 6.5td
91 International Model 6 speed spicer 4700

That's probably gonna be an electric heater. Curious how this turn out. Also, the hds thermostat paired with gde elevated idle option (which btw, it's available) will help.

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2005 kj CRD, samco, suncoast tc, provent, Kennedy lift pump, GDE ECO full torque, 2nd gen filter head, 245/70/16 a/t tires, mopar light bar, fumoto oil valve, OEM Skid Plates, ARB Front bumper and HD OME, tru cool LPD47391 40k GVW tranny cooler (stock cooler delete), FF Dynamics e-fan and shroud, rocker arms replaced, HDS2 190F thermostat.

The lack of electricity in places lends me towards supporting a Webasto instead of electric. Unless it comes with a generator.

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2006 Jeep Liberty CRD 142,000 miles New engine 2-2014, Green Eco tune, FS2500 bypass filter Weeks elbow, European Torque converter, brakes front UCA's wheel bearing and front hubs. Front hitch OEM lift pump
98 K2500 Suburban 6.5td
96 K1500 " 6.5td
95 2 door Tahoe 6.5td
94 K3500 cc srw 5 speed 6.5td
91 International Model 6 speed spicer 4700

Answers:

This is an electric, plug in affair. Webasto heaters are AWESOME, but they are huge money and complicated to install. Plus, Webasto USA only allows installation by licensed Webasto dealers, so any DIY would be gray market and out of warranty.

This would be a ~1000W coolant heater unit similar to what the TDI owners use. Should be able to get the block to near operating temperature in 90-120 min.

While I agree that Webastos are more convenient overall, most people need a coolant heater for overnight parking outside where they do it most often - at their home, in their driveway, every day, and an electric heater will work very well for that situation.

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2005 KJ CRD - EURO TC, GDE ECO-FT, GDE TRANS, Lift Pump(<- hard to install, worth it) = 32+ MPG highway and a great ride
Product & Catalog Director @ IDParts.com (888) 444-7951 sales@idparts.com http://www.idparts.com

Oh, so it will be a 120v heater? I thought you'll make a 12v one powered by the engine's alternator. That's even better, I saw some options but the application was for heavy duty diesels (trucks, cat excavators, etc), hence quite bulky. I'll follow up the thread to see what you come up with. Also, you may be luckier to get somebody from Canada, they have quite a few crds there. And I think, depending on where in Canada, you may have even colder temps. Remember Mountainman, he's in Wyoming, it gets quite cold there too. He seems quite handy and he may be willing to test the heater.

Oh, this may work better for the ram EcoDiesel, I know you have one and also market is way bigger... I'm also interested for the EcoDiesel.

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2005 kj CRD, samco, suncoast tc, provent, Kennedy lift pump, GDE ECO full torque, 2nd gen filter head, 245/70/16 a/t tires, mopar light bar, fumoto oil valve, OEM Skid Plates, ARB Front bumper and HD OME, tru cool LPD47391 40k GVW tranny cooler (stock cooler delete), FF Dynamics e-fan and shroud, rocker arms replaced, HDS2 190F thermostat.

If you know where to look they are not that bad for price, and they are not that difficult to install. Most CRD owners should be doing the in-tank lift pump modification anyway, and while dropping the fuel tank to perform this upgrade you might as well install the Webasto fuel stand pipe at the same time. PZKW108 just installed the Webasto I sold to him, and he had little difficulties with it. He is also a top-shelf welder and fabricator who is working on a custom aluminum installation bracket for the Webasto TSL17 to be used in the Liberty CRD, in the same place that fcsteve777 has his. His work is excellent, and the bracket he is designing will be significantly stronger than it needs to be.

I would personally prefer my Webasto to be installed in an ARB bumper, but purchasing a new bumper will add a significant amount of expense to an already pricey project. I am certain that most CRD owners who want a Webasto will not want to spring for the bumper as well; PZKW108 is developing a bracket just for those people.

For the record, a 1000W electric coolant heater is about 2.5 times the power of the O.E. Liberty CRD engine block heater. This is good, but it comes nowhere near the the heating capability of a Webasto TSL17 heater which pumps out 5,200W of heat on full blast, (12.5 times the power of the O.E. block heater). You also have the inconvenience of having to find an electrical outlet, which makes the electric heater upgrade useless to those of us who use our CRDs for camping, hunting, fishing, etc., etc.

I spoke to Webasto's representatives in their U.S. office regarding warranty and installation. It was made absolutely clear to me that warranty would be honored if the installation was performed by any certified mechanic. Your claim that warranty is void if not installed by licensed Webasto Dealership employees is - according to what was told to me - not true. This would make sense because we up here in the Great White North have HUNDREDS of heavy-duty truck repair facilities up here that can not wait for Eskimo Refrigeration to do the work. These facilities will happily patronize another brand of diesel fueled engine and cabin heaters if Webasto were to impose such a strict limitation to their warranty. They can simply switch to Espar or Proheat and give Webasto the big middle finger if Webasto would not honor warranty on a heater installed by a company's own shop mechanics.

Similar to this?

http://www.idparts.com/frostheater-cool ... -2810.html

I think a kit for the CRD in the sub $200 price range would be a big seller.

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2006 CRD Sport
GDE FT ECO tune, GDE TCM ECO tune, ARP studs, HDS-001 203F T-Stat, 3.7L nylon fan & Hayden 2905 clutch, Carter P76148M in-tank pump, Racor 245R122 filter head & 2 micron R25S fuel filter, Provent 200, Samcos, Fumoto F-102, Litens 920834A de-coupler, PML rear diff cover, OEM trans pan with welded in bung, JBA UCAs, full skids.

Or there is the following, available at any Canadian Tire Store throughout Canada, and no doubt in many auto parts chain stores in the U.S....

The following products are made by Phillips & Temro Industiries in Minnesota. This is a good company, and their products are reputable... you do not have to purchase VW/Audi parts at inflated prices to get what you need.

Phillips & Temro: http://www.phillipsandtemro.com/

Canadian Tire Auto Catalogue: http://www.canadiantire.ca/en/pdp/circu ... p.html#srp

At $93.00 CDN and with our higher tax rates up here, this product will likely come in at about $75.00 retail in the U.S. Way less expensive than the VW/Audi part, and you would have the choice of a 750 Watt, a 1000 Watt, or a 1500 Watt circulation pump. You would also be supporting a U.S. manufacturing company.

Corey, ID Parts should be stocking these as alternatives to the VW/Audi coolant heaters. I think that PZKW108 can fabricate a bunch of custom brackets to fit whatever heater you want to sell; he is really good at aluminum and stainless steel welding.

That looks exactly the coolant heater IDparts sells for the 2012-2014 Passat TDI

http://www.idparts.com/frostheater-cool ... -3062.html

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2006 CRD Sport
GDE FT ECO tune, GDE TCM ECO tune, ARP studs, HDS-001 203F T-Stat, 3.7L nylon fan & Hayden 2905 clutch, Carter P76148M in-tank pump, Racor 245R122 filter head & 2 micron R25S fuel filter, Provent 200, Samcos, Fumoto F-102, Litens 920834A de-coupler, PML rear diff cover, OEM trans pan with welded in bung, JBA UCAs, full skids.

Looked a bit at the Phillips and Temro heaters. Shouldn't be too hard to plumb one in. Does anyone know what's available for coolant supply and return ports? Would the current block heater port lend itself useful to being coolant supply or is there even a fitting that would work there?

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2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited
-Timing belt
-Weeks 1 and 2 EGR delete kits

Actually, does anyone now the port specs of where the webasto plumbs in?

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2005 Jeep Liberty CRD Limited
-Timing belt
-Weeks 1 and 2 EGR delete kits

I'm probably gonna do a second isolated deep cycle battery once the budget allows. For camping, lighting, ect. I was thinking it would be a pretty cool setup to have a power inverter and battery charger wired up. So when I'm home I can plug in the block heater and battery charger. Then a couple hours before I leave work I can run the block heater off of the inverter. A decent marine deep cycle could probably heat up the engine twice on a full charge.

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05 Liberty crd 185k miles / Lifters and rockers, arp studs, h.d.s. thermostat, weeks stage 1+2, carter lift pump with sasquatch harness, gen 2 filter head, hemi t/c, 245/70r16 bfg a/t ko2, on board air, uniden pro 520xl
4.10s with a detroit locker in the rear and e-locker up front
Next up....skids and GDE eco FT.

I don't know who you talked to or what they know. If you'd like to try and purchase a Wabasto unit, please go ahead. Share with us how you purchased it, and confirm that Webasto has approved your installation for warranty. Outside of that this is just conjecture.

The good news is that development is currently ongoing on a 2005 CRD! As people noted above you *can* fab one up yourself. The point of this kit is that it will be all contained in one product, complete with instructions.

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2005 KJ CRD - EURO TC, GDE ECO-FT, GDE TRANS, Lift Pump(<- hard to install, worth it) = 32+ MPG highway and a great ride
Product & Catalog Director @ IDParts.com (888) 444-7951 sales@idparts.com http://www.idparts.com

I thought your kit was powered by electricity?

If so then it is not comparable to the Webasto or other diesel heaters. I'd have to carry around a generator to get the same use out of it.

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2006 Jeep Liberty CRD 142,000 miles New engine 2-2014, Green Eco tune, FS2500 bypass filter Weeks elbow, European Torque converter, brakes front UCA's wheel bearing and front hubs. Front hitch OEM lift pump
98 K2500 Suburban 6.5td
96 K1500 " 6.5td
95 2 door Tahoe 6.5td
94 K3500 cc srw 5 speed 6.5td
91 International Model 6 speed spicer 4700

The Webasto is quite simple it plumbs in between the viscous heater and the heater core. Other then a check valve being put in the line to the overflow tank ( degasser) it is very simple