Major cities are going to start banning diesels

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:34 am

Did you all see this? Mexico City and Paris banning all diesels by 2025,many more also and even London wants it after finding out diesels are producing to much NOX regardless of how "clean" they claim.

VW is even going to stop selling diesels in the US.

Not a good news for you guys.

blk05liberty · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2016 9:40 am

oh darn.

flash7210 · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2016 10:17 am

Given the extensive use of diesel engines in the trucking and railroad industries, how will goods get to store shelves in downtown Los Angeles? :roll:

and heavy equipment used for constructing buildings, bridges, and roads...
and emergency standby generators...

And given Trump's recent pick to head the EPA (not that I approve of it), I think we will be good for awhile.

Rixram · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:08 pm

flash7210 wrote:

Given the extensive use of diesel engines in the trucking and railroad industries, how will goods get to store shelves in downtown Los Angeles? :roll:

and heavy equipment used for constructing buildings, bridges, and roads...
and emergency standby generators...

And given Trump's recent pick to head the EPA (not that I approve of it), I think we will be good for awhile.

Yeah, I don't see Der PumpkinFuhurer giving a rat's booty about it.

WWDiesel · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2016 12:27 pm

Even more reason to be very glad I do not live in a big city!!! :BANANA:

Country folks know how to survive!

And hopefully Trump and his picks may finely reel in some of the EPA's insane crazy regulations!!! :-)r

mass-hole · **Posted:** Thu Dec 08, 2016 1:41 pm

I would stop selling diesel in the US too if I was VW.

Salt Lake City gets absolutely heinous in the winter with their inversion. I've driven down there before and I couldnt see the 11,000 ft mountains that are 5 miles away. The polution doesnt get up to where I live at 6500' but when you drive down I-80 you can see it from above like an ocean of yellow air and you drive into it. I was thinking about this the other day, Utah doesnt subsidize solar panels or anything, yet like 90% of the state's population lives in the salt lake valley and has to constantly contend with winter air pollution to the point where the highway signs are telling people to car pool and to try to organize their errands into one trip as to avoid multiple trips a day. They write tickets for letting your car idle when parked.

seanscrd · **Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2016 3:22 pm

I think this is another case of politician inspired massed histaria. They're just going after the low hanging fruit here. All trains, which means ALL goods, are propelled by diesel powered engines. Not to mention all ocean going vessels. I too live in Utah, St. George area, and it suffers from the same problem that Salt Lake does, but on a smaller scale. The biggest problem here isn't the diesel engine. It's the number of people. The number of people heating their homes with wood burning fires, the number of people driving cars and trucks at any giving time. The politicians, in their eagerness for votes have opened the flood gates and welcomed all comers. The cities have the pollution problems they do today because they have population problems. Plain and simple.

mikey1273 · **Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2016 4:06 pm

this means as said no delivery trucks to bring in goods, no trains freight or passenger, no tow trucks to move disabled cars, those are usually diesel, no school buses, and no public transit buses those are usually diesel. I can't imagine this ever fully becoming a real thing.

mass-hole · **Posted:** Fri Dec 09, 2016 6:35 pm

seanscrd wrote:

I think this is another case of politician inspired massed histaria. They're just going after the low hanging fruit here. All trains, which means ALL goods, are propelled by diesel powered engines. Not to mention all ocean going vessels. I too live in Utah, St. George area, and it suffers from the same problem that Salt Lake does, but on a smaller scale. The biggest problem here isn't the diesel engine. It's the number of people. The number of people heating their homes with wood burning fires, the number of people driving cars and trucks at any giving time. The politicians, in their eagerness for votes have opened the flood gates and welcomed all comers. The cities have the pollution problems they do today because they have population problems. Plain and simple.

Oh, I agree with you. My comment on the solar panels was that they are taking the total wrong approach in SLC by targeting cars. Last year, my biggest gas bill was $150 to heat a 3300 sq ft house in the dead of winter and it got seriously cold there for a while. That is 1/2 of what I paid in MA to heat my 2100 sq ft house with a pellet stove. Two months in a row this summer I paid $15 for gas. Electric is the same, usually $35-45. No way in hell would I ever invest in solar panels without some kind of significant kick back because it would literally take decades to see a ROI.

The thing is, Utah is perfect for solar. You have high elevation so you get more intense sunlight and you have cloud free days a vast majority of the year. On sunny days in the dead of winter, my heat doesnt even turn on because the sun heats the house and actual raises the temperature above the thermostat setting.

Drewd · **Joined:** Mon Feb 06, 2006 12:24 pm **Posts:** 902

Any Colorado Springs is going to ban lame orange lifted non-diesel Jeeps for to reduce visual pollution.

rjmaype · **Posted:** Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:08 pm

The diesel ban is for Paris, Madrid, Mexico City and Athens by 2025.

Not diesel trucks.

Due to particular matter and NOx.

Those cities' mayors trying to get ahead of the "2015 Paris Agreement".

joe_ · **Posted:** Sat Dec 10, 2016 12:48 pm

mikey1273 wrote:

this means as said no delivery trucks to bring in goods, no trains freight or passenger, no tow trucks to move disabled cars, those are usually diesel, no school buses, and no public transit buses those are usually diesel.

They probably want to push everyone to electric, or maybe "green" fuels like CNG (Cummins has produced a CNG version of their ISL engines for a few years now) and propane (gasoline-to-propane conversions are not uncommon).

mikey1273 wrote:

I can't imagine this ever fully becoming a real thing.

I can't picture them completely banning diesel vehicles from their cities, at least not by 2025, but I could see a watered-down version being passed, like "dealers within our cities are not allowed to sell diesel-powered vehicles" but vehicles purchased elsewhere are still allowed, or "no sales of diesel fuel within our cities" but you can still drive outside of city limits to refuel. Just enough to create headlines and inconvenience owners/fleet operators of diesel vehicles.

Drewd wrote:

Any Colorado Springs is going to ban lame orange lifted non-diesel Jeeps for to reduce visual pollution.

PZKW108 · **Joined:** Sun Apr 06, 2014 5:23 pm **Posts:** 461

I will swap my CRD for a 3.7L ........ just the sign lol

flman · **Posted:** Sun Dec 11, 2016 10:41 am

tjkj2002 wrote:

Did you all see this? Mexico City and Paris banning all diesels by 2025,many more also and even London wants it after finding out diesels are producing to much NOX regardless of how "clean" they claim.

VW is even going to stop selling diesels in the US.

Not a good news for you guys.

Well, I am glad I do not live in either of those countries, let alone a big city. :ROTFL:

Not good for us guys............. :roll:

Besides EPA is getting a new boss that is anti EPA.

:-)r

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:17 pm

flman wrote:

Well, I am glad I do not live in either of those countries, let alone a big city. :ROTFL:

Not good for us guys............. :roll:

Besides EPA is getting a new boss that is anti EPA.

:-)r

Don't think it's not coming everywhere.

Plus VW already bailed on diesels(for USA) so a major win.

flash7210 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:31 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

flman wrote:

Well, I am glad I do not live in either of those countries, let alone a big city. :ROTFL:

Not good for us guys............. :roll:

Besides EPA is getting a new boss that is anti EPA.

:-)r

Don't think it's not coming everywhere.

Plus VW already bailed on diesels(for USA) so a major win.

A major win for who?

flman · **Posted:** Sun Dec 11, 2016 8:44 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

flman wrote:

Well, I am glad I do not live in either of those countries, let alone a big city. :ROTFL:

Not good for us guys............. :roll:

Besides EPA is getting a new boss that is anti EPA.

:-)r

Don't think it's not coming everywhere.

Plus VW already bailed on diesels(for USA) so a major win.

For one you are talking 2025, I am not sure I will still have my CRD then, I do not live in a big city, and I doubt that they will make us crush our CRDs, but they might ban new diesels? And like everyone else says, what about all the commerce that runs on diesel power, plus if Trump gets 2 terms, it will be 2025 when he leaves office.

I am not quite sure why you even brought up what some foreign countries are doing??

I do not think this guys is going to be anti diesel as much as anti EPA and anti global warming hoax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMgVFHl0pDc

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sun Dec 11, 2016 9:36 pm

flman wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

flman wrote:

Well, I am glad I do not live in either of those countries, let alone a big city. :ROTFL:

Not good for us guys............. :roll:

Besides EPA is getting a new boss that is anti EPA.

:-)r

Don't think it's not coming everywhere.

Plus VW already bailed on diesels(for USA) so a major win.

For one you are talking 2025, I am not sure I will still have my CRD then, I do not live in a big city, and I doubt that they will make us crush our CRDs, but they might ban new diesels? And like everyone else says, what about all the commerce that runs on diesel power, plus if Trump gets 2 terms, it will be 2025 when he leaves office.

I am not quite sure why you even brought up what some foreign countries are doing??

I do not think this guys is going to be anti diesel as much as anti EPA and anti global warming hoax.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bMgVFHl0pDc

The ban is for personal diesel vehicles,comercial vehicles would be exempt and public transpo is switching to other forms of energy already and has been for years,this would boost it.Besides larger deisels produce less polution,even without the power robbing emission eqiuptment.The VW thing has triggered a mass rethinking of small engines in general regardless of which fuel is being burned and most European automakers are scrapping the small displacement engines due to more polution created to achieve the power from small displacement.Most are replacing them with engines up to 30% more displacement within a few years because of VW.

Now the "win" is for everyone,less diesel vehicles on the road will drive the fuel prices down making the products transported by it cheaper.Granted the prices will rebound a little but not much since they just can't reduce supply without effecting gasoline supply.

Bushman5 · **Joined:** Sat Jul 11, 2015 11:05 am **Posts:** 278

PZKW108 wrote:

I will swap my CRD for a 3.7L ........ just the sign lol

love it.

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