better trans skid?

jason thompson · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 6:10 pm

i dont know how well it will work and if thats true or not thust the ?
but i can not wait any longer to share
this is the first shot at a trans skid for ,i know, '03's maby others
that is 1/4 plate with 1X1" angle that is 1/4" thick the hole is for oil drain the gap in the one pcs of angle is for the exaust
it will fit lower "A-arm" to lower "A-arm" and center of the trans cross member out 9" on both sides (18" in the rear 16" in the front)
i will probably work out mounting some time next week
post up any thoughts or suggestions as to improvements mounting ect. the best part is my cost right now at this point $130 as is if there is a demand he will use my completed product and produce them with the holes cut for only a few $$ more pobably in the $150 range +ship

JJsTJ · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:01 pm

Looks like it will be much stronger than the available stock skid but If you hit some good size rocks w/ it you can expect it to bend. The pieces of angle will not be enough to stop the bending. My 04 skid made by All J is 1/4", has some angle pieces incorporated into it and has bent up edges for even more strength and It is bent from Moab.
That said, for the price you mentioned and someone needing something in between the All J skid and stock, yours looks ok.

Regardless of all of that above, I applaud you in tackling getting a skid made for your own vehicle.

Edit: I guess you didn't read my whole post or didn't get what I was saying about the bent up edges of the 1/4" plate?

jason thompson · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:12 pm

the guy who made it old me the center load that the plate would take befor it would bend based on 1 square inch and i think it was over 2000 lbs
so i cant see how i could ever bend it considering that i am mostly running on dirt and roots and almost never rocks
i was looking at a third and fouth pcs of angle side by side right down the middle

Jeger · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 7:24 pm

Consider putting some angle going perpendicular to the ones you have now at least in 3 places that should beef it up a good bit be careful not to put too much heat to it while welding. Depending on the steel you could soften it or harden which could make it too brittle. Let us know how it goes. You know now that I think about it if it is possible it may be best to just make a big X across the whole thing.

jpzkj · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:16 pm

Jeger wrote:

Consider putting some angle going perpendicular to the ones you have now at least in 3 places that should beef it up a good bit be careful not to put too much heat to it while welding. Depending on the steel you could soften it or harden which could make it too brittle. Let us know how it goes. You know now that I think about it if it is possible it may be best to just make a big X across the whole thing.

That might put those additional pieces directly underneath your transmission pan. If it were to bend you would have some sharp pieces of metal that would have even less clearance than if they were not there. Flat sheet of steel pushing upwards would cause less damage.

Good luck

Jeger · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 8:24 pm

jpzkj wrote:

Jeger wrote:

Consider putting some angle going perpendicular to the ones you have now at least in 3 places that should beef it up a good bit be careful not to put too much heat to it while welding. Depending on the steel you could soften it or harden which could make it too brittle. Let us know how it goes. You know now that I think about it if it is possible it may be best to just make a big X across the whole thing.

That might put those additional pieces directly underneath your transmission pan. If it were to bend you would have some sharp pieces of metal that would have even less clearance than if they were not there. Flat sheet of steel pushing upwards would cause less damage.

Good luck

I guess that would be the part that would make it not possible. If you can work around that I would do it but as jpzkj said you definantly dont want those pointy edges perforating anything under there.

jpzkj · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:34 pm

You could try setting them in at an agle (thats how my '04 Super Skid is). Narrower at the front and wider at the rear.

The '04 is different than the earlier models becuase of the twin cat. convertors.

jason thompson · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:48 pm

jpzkj wrote:

You could try setting them in at an agle (thats how my '04 Super Skid is). Narrower at the front and wider at the rear.

The '04 is different than the earlier models becuase of the twin cat. convertors.

the 2 pcs of angle are spaced out to avoid the trans should it bend and they are spaced even all the way down but the plate is wider in the rear

Tokyojoe · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 10:51 pm

All J Super Skid `04 model with angled pieces are hardcore.

Yes, a hand to you for getting someone to make you one that is 1000 X better than the stock piece.

jason thompson · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:00 pm

i hear how great the all j's skid is but i see no major differance other than a name
to me a name is like the cover on a book or the color of one making it better than another
i may paint mine red and that will make it stronger the all j's skid is 1/4 thick with pcs of angle welded on for strength so what makes it better
that is the in put i need then i could improve this one to make it better

Neal · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:07 pm

I think yours is fine, all j just charges more cause they want the profit

jason thompson · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:09 pm

Neal wrote:

I think yours is fine, all j just charges more cause they want the profit

kunker

Jeger · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:16 pm

I think what you have is simple and strong. If there is some place you could put a brace across the width of it without causing interference that would help also. Even if it is just across the front edge. Otherwise just get the mounting points worked out put your red paint on and see how tough it is. :twisted:

jason thompson · **Posted:** Tue Jul 11, 2006 11:19 pm

Jeger wrote:

I think what you have is simple and strong. If there is some place you could put a brace across the width of it without causing interference that would help also. Even if it is just across the front edge. Otherwise just get the mounting points worked out put your red paint on and see how tough it is. :twisted:

kunker 2
that is coming next week :mrgreen:

Tokyojoe · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:12 am

Super skid has the corners and edges bent up to create a stronger skid. The angled iron are also angled across the plate for more strength. Powder coating is nice but will still get scratched to bare metal. The picture of the skid on All J's site is a picture of the older model, not the new one. With the edges bent up at 90 degrees, it will be harder to bend. The angled iron run almost the length of the skid length-wise and angles towards the center as it runs to the rear of the plate, not across like the picture on their website (*hint * Hint* - time to update and show the new Skid on the website, AllJ).

Jeger · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 2:57 am

There are some pics of it here I believe.

http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... =superskid

It would be hard to turn up the edges but welding some angle on there would be about the same. And you can see how the supports go also.

I dont think they would appreciate someone selling copies. But for your own purposes I dont see anything wrong with using a good idea.

alljeep · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:27 am

jason thompson wrote:

the guy who made it old me the center load that the plate would take befor it would bend based on 1 square inch and i think it was over 2000 lbs
so i cant see how i could ever bend it considering that i am mostly running on dirt and roots and almost never rocks
i was looking at a third and fouth pcs of angle side by side right down the middle

Nice plate. It will bend if you land on a sharp rock as just about anything will. 2000lbs over 1 square inch, but what if you land on a point of a rock, say you crush that point down to a quarter inch square - now your force is much, much higher.

I wonder if that would fit on a CRD..... For the CRD we have to change front diff oil every 12.5k miles, so just a transmission skid is a great idea as I do not want to remove a full body skid all the time to do routing maintenance.

JJsTJ · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 7:33 am

jason thompson wrote:

i hear how great the all j's skid is but i see no major differance other than a name
to me a name is like the cover on a book or the color of one making it better than another
i may paint mine red and that will make it stronger the all j's skid is 1/4 thick with pcs of angle welded on for strength so what makes it better
that is the in put i need then i could improve this one to make it better

Please reread my original post. I have highlighted it to make it easier to find my point about the differences between yours and one that is Stronger but STILL bent while wheeling in Moab this year.
The skid on my 03, which is Also an All J, but has BENT UP EDGES And Outriggers, is Not bent and was wheeled harder many times more than my 04.
Part of the problem w/ a skid this large is the center is easier to bend upward because of the leverage that can be applied to it if you hit it in the middle. It needs something along the sides to keep that from happening. That is why the outriggers were added to the All J skid. Only a couple trips of testing showed that weekness in the skid needed to be fixed.
Oh, and the 04 version doesn't have those outriggers because the cat converters are in the way of where the outriggers would go on an 04.

jason thompson · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:05 pm

JJsKJ wrote:

jason thompson wrote:

i hear how great the all j's skid is but i see no major differance other than a name
to me a name is like the cover on a book or the color of one making it better than another
i may paint mine red and that will make it stronger the all j's skid is 1/4 thick with pcs of angle welded on for strength so what makes it better
that is the in put i need then i could improve this one to make it better

Please reread my original post. I have highlighted it to make it easier to find my point about the differences between yours and one that is Stronger but STILL bent while wheeling in Moab this year.
The skid on my 03, which is Also an All J, but has BENT UP EDGES And Outriggers, is Not bent and was wheeled harder many times more than my 04.
Part of the problem w/ a skid this large is the center is easier to bend upward because of the leverage that can be applied to it if you hit it in the middle. It needs something along the sides to keep that from happening. That is why the outriggers were added to the All J skid. Only a couple trips of testing showed that weekness in the skid needed to be fixed.
Oh, and the 04 version doesn't have those outriggers because the cat converters are in the way of where the outriggers would go on an 04.

we talked about bending up the sides just like the all j's but decided that the effort to benifit was not worth it with the lip being that close to the pcs of angle it would serve almost no purpose because a bent edge will bend again
we also welded the angle "upside down" like we did because it would "hold more load"
i did not go to school to be an engineer but the guy who built and helped with the designe did he also paid his way through collage building stuff like this
i am NOT saying that this one is BETTER only that for the price you cant beat it with a bat and i know that IF the all j's is stronger it is only by a little bit

this all to me seems much like the way some folks worship the wrangler MTR's they rave about how great they are yet when i go wheel 99% of the rigs i wheel with have something other than that even people with stock rubi's are replacing them with something elese
are they bad? i dont know because i wont spend that kinda of money to find out espicaly when i see other tires ,that cost much less, out preform them on the trails i ride and as far as more rocky than "muddy" terain i see most folks running swampers not MTR's
just mo

jpzkj · **Posted:** Wed Jul 12, 2006 8:28 pm

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this all to me seems much like the way some folks worship the wrangler MTR's they rave about how great they are yet when i go wheel 99% of the rigs i wheel with have something other than that even people with stock rubi's are replacing them with something elese

The reason peolpe rave about the 245/75/16 MTR's is that it's an E rated tire.

10 ply rated....thats beef and that is what you want in rocks

The other sizes are C / D rated. http://www.goodyeartires.com/goodyeartireselector/display_tire.jsp?prodline=Wrangler+MT/R&mrktarea=Light+Truck

The Super Skid is a really strong skid, but you can bend it too... The turned up edges make it stronger than not having them turned up. Bending that thickness of steel cost money and requires effort, thats why most skids are not as strong as the Super Skid. The outriggers would add alot of strength to your design if your looking to make it stronger. The '04 cant use the outriggers becuase of the dual cat. convertors (I've got the 1st one built...)

As for the CRD...yep, we put an early design Super Skid on a CRD but had to redrill the mounting holes.

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