Lower Ball joints

Sport · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 10:49 am

Al's sight is selling the Falcon or Moog. Falcon is half the price, does anyone have any experience with them?

XR · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 1:30 pm

Over 100 thousand on my Moog non-serviceable LBJs.I'd say to stick with the good stuff unless you enjoy,really enjoy working on the Jeep.

Sport · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 2:07 pm

haha, well I had planned on getting Moog. I had just never heard of Falcon and was curious.

KJ04 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 3:04 pm

XR wrote:

Over 100 thousand on my Moog non-serviceable LBJs.I'd say to stick with the good stuff unless you enjoy,really enjoy working on the Jeep.

Why did you purchase non-serviceable when you could have got the greaseable ones? That's basically the reason people buy them, is so they can grease them for a longer life period.

XR · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 6:15 pm

Because the serviceable ones were not available at that time.Besides look at what I got out of them so far.I believe the quality (read made in USA) greaseable parts (LBJ/U-Joints) offer little over the non-greaseable now because of the superior materiels and processes.When somone wears out a MOOG joint lemme know and we'll see.

Guest · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 7:47 pm

Sport wrote:

haha, well I had planned on getting Moog. I had just never heard of Falcon and was curious.

They are junk.

Stay away from them.

1 year warranty vs lifetime warranty. Seriously dude, if you have to cut costs, don't do it on suspension components :roll:

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:59 pm

XR wrote:

Because the serviceable ones were not available at that time.Besides look at what I got out of them so far.I believe the quality (read made in USA) greaseable parts (LBJ/U-Joints) offer little over the non-greaseable now because of the superior materiels and processes.When somone wears out a MOOG joint lemme know and we'll see.

The OEM LBJ's are the same as the MOOG's you installed since MOOG makes the OEM LBJ's.

Sport · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 10:13 am

ThunderbirdJunkie wrote:

Sport wrote:

haha, well I had planned on getting Moog. I had just never heard of Falcon and was curious.

They are junk.

Stay away from them.

1 year warranty vs lifetime warranty. Seriously dude, if you have to cut costs, don't do it on suspension components :roll:

I will get the Moogs! :shock:

XR · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:04 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

XR wrote:

Because the serviceable ones were not available at that time.Besides look at what I got out of them so far.I believe the quality (read made in USA) greaseable parts (LBJ/U-Joints) offer little over the non-greaseable now because of the superior materiels and processes.When somone wears out a MOOG joint lemme know and we'll see.

The OEM LBJ's are the same as the MOOG's you installed since MOOG makes the OEM LBJ's.

No they are not the same.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:07 pm

XR wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

XR wrote:

Because the serviceable ones were not available at that time.Besides look at what I got out of them so far.I believe the quality (read made in USA) greaseable parts (LBJ/U-Joints) offer little over the non-greaseable now because of the superior materiels and processes.When somone wears out a MOOG joint lemme know and we'll see.

The OEM LBJ's are the same as the MOOG's you installed since MOOG makes the OEM LBJ's.

No they are not.If that's the case why did the originals last 40K and these are over 100K?I don't know who makes the OEM stuff and tossed the ones I removed.However the LBJs installed are far superior to the ones removed.

The OEM LBJ's made by MOOG are made to Chrysler's specs,the non-greaseable MOOG LBJ's sold outside of Chrysler's control are made to MOOG's specs which are better then OEM.

tonycrd · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:12 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

The OEM LBJ's made by MOOG are made to Chrysler's specs,the non-greaseable MOOG LBJ's sold outside of Chrysler's control are made to MOOG's specs which are better then OEM.

Well BOOOOO to Chrysler specs, I am on my second set of these 'upgrated' OEM LBJ's. (first set blew after only 15k miles) Would have gotten MOOG's a long time ago if JEEP hadn't repaired it under warranty every time.

And...don't you mean greaseable LBJ's?

XR · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 12:50 pm

tjkj2002 wrote:

XR wrote:

tjkj2002 wrote:

XR wrote:

Because the serviceable ones were not available at that time.Besides look at what I got out of them so far.I believe the quality (read made in USA) greaseable parts (LBJ/U-Joints) offer little over the non-greaseable now because of the superior materiels and processes.When somone wears out a MOOG joint lemme know and we'll see.

The OEM LBJ's are the same as the MOOG's you installed since MOOG makes the OEM LBJ's.

No they are not.If that's the case why did the originals last 40K and these are over 100K?I don't know who makes the OEM stuff and tossed the ones I removed.However the LBJs installed are far superior to the ones removed.

The OEM LBJ's made by MOOG are made to Chrysler's specs,the non-greaseable MOOG LBJ's sold outside of Chrysler's control are made to MOOG's specs which are better then OEM.

Well then that would make them different now,wouldn't it?

RespectMyLibertay · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 1:46 pm

Yes, the greasable MOOGs ARE different from the stock LBJs and the replacement non-greasable LBJs...but the latter two are the same. That's what he was saying :roll:

What difference did you honestly see in stock vs your non-greasable MOOG replacement? I'm confident they looked identical minus maybe some aesthetics like color, etc.
The greasable ones are beefier looking.

XR · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 2:39 pm

Roll your eyes all you wish it's still a K1399 ball joint.

RespectMyLibertay · **Posted:** Tue Feb 10, 2009 7:40 pm

So you didn't tell of any visual differences as I asked about...does this mean your only confirmation that's its different (better?) than the stock LBJ is the part number? Hey I'm just wondering what leads you believe that it's better than stock. I think that part number's usefulness is only in application...as we've seen more than one LBJ with that number.

BTW I'm fairly confident that Troy meant that the greasable MOOG LBJs are made to MOOG's spec outside of Chrysler's influence, contrary to the OEM product still made by MOOG.

tonycrd · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:37 am

There was a BIG difference between the first series of OEM LBJ's and the after recall fitted ones.

They look bigger. Stronger.

XR · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 11:12 am

RespectMyLibertay wrote:

So you didn't tell of any visual differences as I asked about...does this mean your only confirmation that's its different (better?) than the stock LBJ is the part number? Hey I'm just wondering what leads you believe that it's better than stock. I think that part number's usefulness is only in application...as we've seen more than one LBJ with that number.

BTW I'm fairly confident that Troy meant that the greasable MOOG LBJs are made to MOOG's spec outside of Chrysler's influence, contrary to the OEM product still made by MOOG.

What you can't freakin read?????It's a K3199 Moog ball joint.The ONLY difference is it has no grease fitting dammit.When I bought the part it was unavailable in a serviceable unit.Isn't the fact it has over 100 thousand miles enough to convince you nit picking freaks it's a quality part?I'm done here.Good day girls.

tonycrd · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:01 pm

lets play nice now..

RespectMyLibertay · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:27 pm

Tonycrd,
The ones that I saw for ever recall look the same minus aesthetics (color marking on the boots). That doesn't look different to me, maybe I don't remember well enough when I took my OEM LBJs.

Addressing XR...I'm 20 y/o old and I assume most on here are older, and act accordingly...I was wrong, about at least one of those assumptions :shock:

I think you think I'm trying to knock your parts. I was just wanting to see the reasoning behind your beliefs, because as another post stated, the MOOG greasables are typically seen as the real upgrade. If you've actually pulled apart your 'upgraded' LBJs and SEEN the "superior materials" and evidence of "superior processes"...or if they are even marketed and sold as such ('superior to OEM'), then you are obvious correct in calling them superior to OEM LBJs. But here you are, getting all offended like I just ran over your dog. If you want to call me names on the internet...well then, go for it. Others won't have it, though, I assure you. You called me (I doubt it was directed at anyone else really) a nit-picking freak and a girl...and I'm going to stay above that and not call you a thing (not that I'm truely offended, unlike you). BTW, you didn't convince anyone that it's a quality part...but, hey, you're "done here". It never seemed like you really wanted to prove anything. You just wanted everyone reading this thread to take you're word for it. Sorry, but this forums is about the exchange of information, not about stating "facts" and expecting other to just take them as is without any questions, concerns, or thoughts.

TO ALL THE NORMAL LOST FORUM MEMBERS:
I'm sorry you had to read that...well actually you didn't. I just had to set the record straight with what's really going on here.

tonycrd · **Posted:** Wed Feb 11, 2009 1:39 pm

I think the biggest mix up here is that we ( me including :oops:

) are thinking OEM MOOG's while XR is talking about real MOOG's although they are the non-greaseable ones. And 100k with a set of LBJ's is pretty much proof of their strenght :roll:

Now I hope I do not have to repeat myself otherwise it's

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