I didnt like the way it bounced up that hill in the video you posted. If it was just that hill I would bet that most peoples stock kjs would not have any problem getting up it (that hill definitely does not merit 4 lo). Looks like you should swap out your gears to accomodate for the bigger tires if you havent already.

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A 5.5" lift with 33's would make a Liberty sit about 7.5" higher than stock, right?
(5.5 inches of lift plus the 2 inches of clearance the 33's give you under the axles compared to stock ~29's)

To me it seems like that would be dangerously tipsy at speed. Even on the trail, there's a point where jacking your rig to the sky stops helping you. You're much more likely to roll in places like Moab if you get too carried away with lifting your rig.

[edit] I'm not slamming swmpthg's rig. I'm more looking out for his safety. I admire him for being a pioneer in the KJ part of the off-road world.

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yeah your right i do need to upgrade but i don't use 4wheel low.. but y upgrade when i plan to do a sfa swap soon..

THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!

THANK YOU!!!!!

So cause of one thread I am a negative poster? I am not determined to "dog" this guy I just wanna see some wheelin shots/vids and he obliged. They may not be what I call wheelin but whatever who gives a stinky poo to each his own right? At least he aint a poser like the CarDomain website kinda shows. I seriously doubt that I am turnin people away from this forum and I challenge you to prove that to me, BUT NOT IN THIS THREAD. PM me if you got some issue with me, and if some of yall leave this forum for good cause of a thread like this then yall are kinda soft wouldnt ya say?? Thick skin is a virtue, try it Im done with this thread cause I dont wanna turn it into a pissin contest and keep gettin singled out like this, you got issue then PM me. Got proof, PM me. Otherwise enjoy your jeep and keep on truckin O and as for the TJ v KJ argument I dont feel the need to shove it in anybodys face and I havnt done so yet.

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'05 Yellow TJ Rubicon 6spd

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i do not need to pm you for anything. I have made my point and everything to back it up is in this thread, all someone has to do is read through it and see you have played a big role in pissing this guy off more then once in the same topic.

He shouldnt need to have thick skin to come to this forum because nobody is expectin to come to the LOST forum and get bashed!

Put it in his point of view, hes brand new here and showin his rig and gets bashed right away after his first few posts. Would you be excited to come back? lol

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Silver, loaded
Full skid plates
255/65/16 yokohama Geolander A/T-S
Tow hooks
Flowmaster super 44

I'm going to go ahead and weigh in on this:

I love how swampthing didn't even originally post pictures of his KJ and is getting dogged. As for some of the unsavory things that have been written, I'll respond with an Einstein quote:

'The only source of knowledge is experience.'

If someone somewhere doesn't try new mods on their KJ, we'll never know if said mods are feasible and we'll never get them on ours So stand up Swampthing, sing it loud and sing it proud! Cheers

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OME HD and clevis lift
245/75/R16 MTRs
ARB bumper with Daylighters and warn 8000lb winch
Trail rash
Switches, lots of switches
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FOZZY BEAR!!!

Yet your name is Gopher?

Uh oh! I feel a song coming on......

The Love Boat, soon will be making another run. The Love Boat....promises something for everyone......


Gopher, where's Julie?

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2004 Renegade Light Khaki - 4" JBA Lift - Rock Lizard Products: Komodo Dragon Rear Bumper, Prototype Winch-mount Front Bumper, Super Skink Sliders - All J's Super Tranny Skid II - 31" Firestone Destination AT's on Moab wheels - Cobra 75W CB w/ stock Antenna mod

[b]Retired, US Military

Part of where I have been coming from is the fact that there was some un named people ( we all know who you are ) that tried several different ways of lifting a KJ and also how high would be the best a few years back. Now different ones are trying different things, which is great, but..... most of us just want to know what they (swmpthg) did different and how it is effecting the KJ as far as ride, handeling, alignment issues etc. Some have went off on a tangent about junk tires but so what, most are just wanting to know more! We are all on here to learn and share so lets keep it that way...

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I'm still wondering if you climb hills like that in your KJ...especially that KJ on 33s of yours.

Calling you a negative poster because of one thread is something like the old saying "A man can build a thousand bridges in his life and never be known as a bridge builder, but if he blah blah blah's one blah blah, he'll be labeled as a blahblah blahblaher for the rest of his life"

It is not because of a post in a single thread. His name or "moniker" says it all...kj in a tight spot...and he does not own one. That should be your first hint...here are just a few posts I found in about 5 minutes and there is a general theme to all of them:



Have a good time payin for all that...I am runnin an almost 5" lift on my TJ (kinda custom) and it was WAY less than that, plus I can fit 33s, and could easily fit 35s no problems Not worth all that for a 32" tire yall, dont get hung up on the whole 4" thing just cause nobody offers one for the KJ yet...
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DarbyWalters wrote:
kj in a tight spot wrote:
Im sorry where's the bull bar? The chrome deal is now considered a "bull bar"??


Uh, Yeah...those are called "bull bars" by most of the world...then there are "brush guards"..."push bars"..."bumpers"...ect. The funny thing is you know the piece he is talking about...right..?


Funny, when I think of a bull bar I dont think of a hollow piece of bolt on bling from the local Pep Boys that barely has any structural integrity, cant be used as a recovery point, and couldnt even take a small hit from a rock...but thats just me I guess I am well aware of what the so called bull bar in that pic is yes thanks
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x2 I agree...yall need to understand that ANYTHING is possible!!! Just depends on what yall are willin to do to make it possible sometimes, especially since the KJ aint the most user friendly jeep to get mods for IMO
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Air down rings a bell When I run the trails that lead to the real trails I air down to 15 or 10 psi and can go down them washboard roads just fine.

TJ drives like a truck, solid axle obviously so it aint supposed to be all cushy like a KJ or somethin else. But I love my TJ and didnt buy one for the ride quality thats for dayum sure. Plus it goes more places, both stock and modded, than any KJ ever will go...
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Seen what work? SFA KJs? How many are out there, thougth there was only a handful...yea the KJ has a slight edge on wheelbase, but the TJ beats it hands down as far as approach, departure, breakover, off camber, etc...these are what would sell me on an offroad vehicle not wheelbase
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JJsKJ wrote:
kj in a tight spot wrote:
JJsKJ wrote:
I have seen them work as well or better off road than a comparable long arm lifted TJ due to the wheelbase advantage


Seen what work? SFA KJs? How many are out there, thougth there was only a handful...yea the KJ has a slight edge on wheelbase, but the TJ beats it hands down as far as approach, departure, breakover, off camber, etc...these are what would sell me on an offroad vehicle not wheelbase


There Are a few and I saw a pair of them work in Moab last year plus many trips w/ allyrands here in So-Cal . Come check out his approach and departure angles and his Awesome breakover and you will see what I mean. Ask Seth about dragging other long arm vehicles off rocks during his Rubicon trip where he Had no hang ups or problems. (IIRC)
Oh and why is it that Some TJ's are streatching their wheelbase and tummy tucking their bellys anyhow??



Not looking for a an argument, just pointing out the +'s of an SFA KJ.


I aint lookin for an argument either Not sayin the SFA KJ aint a cool thing and Im sure it does real good offroad, BUT I was just statin that as far as angles go its gotta be given to the TJ, I dont see how this is debatable personally. Yea TTs and stretches are popular on TJs true
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AZScout wrote:
I think it's kind of funny that TJ'ers are making it more like KJ's and KJ'ers are making it more like TJ's. The JK is the perfect compromise IMHO, maybe a bit long but what killed it for me was the 1980's style interior. I mean why does off-road capability have to mean utilitarian in JEEP's eyes? They can take a lesson from the interior of the H3 or even the Grand. I'll take a SFA Liberty and have the best of both worlds and then be happy to wheel with anyone anywhere.


I dont get it, "I think it's kind of funny that TJ'ers are making it more like KJ's and KJ'ers are making it more like TJ's" making what more like KJs and TJs??? Ummm the utilitarian style of CJs, YJs, and TJs is what makes them jeeps, not leather heated seats, power windows, leather wrapped steerin wheels, A/C, all that other creature comfort bull$hit That is what makes a jeep a jeep, bare bones, no nonsense, offroadin machines...all these other things are just a waste of money and cause more problems in the long run for those who actually like to wheel em hard and heavy
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Ive been here a wee bit longer than you boss and your the first to accuse me of being a negative person Thanks tho, appreciate the comment
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These are just a few I found with a simple search. It is fine for others come here to post and even criticize (constructive), there is a difference in many of kj in a tight spot's post at L.O.S.T. between constructive and just plain negative. The general tone of his posts are not positive for the most part...on the other hand Brian does contribute some good info here at times...he is like his own OxyMoron with his good days and bad days...

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Drag Strip:Reac=.1078_60ft=2.224_1/8=10.39@64.8mph_1/4+16.46@80.8mph

K guys I said I was done but I had to come back for this post. Im sorry if I had some negative comments to make, maybe I am just havin a crummy weekend, I know last week was bad but that dont mean I should be on here rippin others. My apologies and hopefully we can all move on from this and continue to contribute. Like Darby said, I aint always like this guys, I guess it just musta been a few threads that were posted in short order that got me goin. Again, apologies

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Brian

'05 Yellow TJ Rubicon 6spd

Click here for my Jeep Mods

Redneck Yacht Club for life!!

Atleast a more veteran member stepped in to let him know because he wasnt going to listen to me. But i hope we can all get along after this, maybe have a mod clean up the content in here a bit?

have this thread more helpful than critical

kj in a tight spot, i really didnt want to start off on a bad foot with you man but i felt compelled to say something here because i didnt want this new member to walk away from this forum with the wrong impression of how this forum is ran. And i know you didnt like hearing it from a fairly new member but i someone had to say something.

Hope we can get along after this.

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Tow hooks
Flowmaster super 44

All in good here on L.O.S.T. . Brain has been here and has contributed in positive ways 99% of the time...and we all have bad days

One other thing, I know we all take some things personally but don't. Brian would be the first to help you on trail if you needed it and he would do the same here.

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Drag Strip:Reac=.1078_60ft=2.224_1/8=10.39@64.8mph_1/4+16.46@80.8mph

I've seen a lot of crap that TJ & XJ drivers like to post up against KJ's & that's probably why I tend to spend more time on LOST than else where. Brian seems OK to me, we all have bad days (good intentions but perhaps a but if KJ envy ). Anyway back to Swampthing

Is your rear spring out because it's not a long travel spring?? what's the go there .

I was wanting to ask you if you cut your CV's as suggested with the new 4" lift? It seems a little extreem but perhaps not (just dosen't seem like a good thing to do). I'd be interested what you did there to either help it with your flex or prevent it from flexing that far as to cause a problem.

Any chance of a pic of your rig on level ground next to a stock KJ or even a lifted KJ.

I had to download flash player to see it in action, nice to see the wheels turning.

Edited as the pic didn't show (CD)

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265/70/16 STT's on 16x8 Chrome Soft 8's
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Anyone see anything different here? Besides the sway bar missing and the wheel spacers that must be on there, where is the lift?

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Drag Strip:Reac=.1078_60ft=2.224_1/8=10.39@64.8mph_1/4+16.46@80.8mph

KJ in a tight spot,

I, for one, agree and am thankful for the interruption from the Moderator. I found your posts so JU like that I was calling you JU mentally before reading your posts. It quickly went from JU to Pirate guy. However, no matter how grating your posts were this past week, for what it's worth, I give you props for coming on and publicly apologizing to the board when you could have just left. It took a lot to do what you did and it shows you want to stay. Which is good. I mean, you could be a valuable resource for guys thinking about putting TJ stuff on their KJ.

Unlimited,

Thanks for making it come to a head.

Swampthing,

I am sorry you have been the recipient of an off-week here at LOST. Especially with you not even originally posting and then having to defend yourself, a newbie no less. Things arent usually like this. Anyway, welcome to LOST and I hope you stay. It's a great source of knowledge and the people are friendly!

P.S. I like the look and name of your rig. Keep up the innovative work. The thing looks like its a beast. Now, to the hardware underneath...

Dave

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All J CRD Frankenlift with 500 fronts, Boulderbars, and Superskid
Kilby Gas Skid
Yukon Rear Axles
265/75 16 TrXus M/T's and Bridgestone Revo's
Fumoto Valve
Aero Turbine 2525
Rock Lizard Komodo Bumper
Sundance Custom's Front Bumper

Now really have my attention but I admit I don't recognise the change you've made. Are you related to Chip Foose??? On several shows with him whether its Overhauleing or Rides .Chips favorite mod has so many suttle changes that when you look at it you can't tell the difference untill you take an old stock model and park them side by side.

Well, I can see the OTT spacer. I assume the strut must be longer, as well.

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"There are few problems in life the liberal application of duct tape can't solve."