Here in NH, diesel is still cheaper than regular: 2.89 vs 3.05. Last winter, diesel was about 8-10c more per gallon than reg, but that went away with cold weather in spring. My comparison is to my xterra which only got about 15-17mpg so at 25-26 (winter 22) it is still cheaper to run the jeep

Looked up on the DCX site a week ago and found mine was also included in this recall, been waiting for the notice in the mail to arrive. Well guess what phone message I get today when I got home from work, the dealer called at 8:30 A.M. to let me know about this recall. Hummm, must be they are scurring around to get this software upgrade installed. We'll see if they install any of the TSB 18-023-06, I called awhile back and asked about that,,, the service writer was all but begging me not to because it took so long to do and if the SKIM part of the software didn't work right he said it would be over night at the dealer waiting for a new SKIM module. I guess if that happens I might just come home with a new Rubicon instead...haha.

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Flame Red 2005 Rubicon Unlimited, 4.0L, 6sp, dual tops, Amsoil ASL 5W30 engine oil and EAO42 filter, IPF 920hc head light conversion with PIAA Xtreme White plus bulbs, Sylvania Silverstar H3ST fogs, Armadillo front/rear bumper caps and pretty much loaded.A few pics of my rig. http://www.gwkweather.net/id5.html

Had mine in for an EGR today and asked them to perform this TSB while it was in. They said the TCM wouldn't take the reflash so they have ordered a new one. Unfortunatly I didn't get the p/n of what they actually ordered, so I don't know what they will actually do. Said it would be about 5 days to get it here.

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2005 Limited CRD

FlyingJ, same scenario for me, they put it a new TCM when the flash went bad.
Maybe it's just me, but I think the trip odo is reporting not as good of fuel economy now . 18 in town, I used to be at 21 or so.
The dealer also said the TCM was delivered with the latest software in it, which makes me wonder where are I'm at software wise now.

This was the number they put in 56044737-AF MODULE 08-035-028


-Gab

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2006 CRD Limited, Manfufactured Dec 13/05

Hmm - I'll keep an eye on MPG. Has your actual mileage changed, or just the readout?

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2005 Limited CRD

Not sure if acutal milage has changed yet, just filled it up and just noticed it since the reset of the console over 100 miles sofar..

-Gab

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2006 CRD Limited, Manfufactured Dec 13/05

My subject above is pretty clear about being lost with regards to my kj and am getting REALLY annoyed at this vehicle right now. I guess that's why this website is called lostkjs. From the time I have purchased this little burger until now, it has been in the shop a total of 12 times!! I took my CRD into the shop yesterday and also typed out a "to do list" for them to follow which consisted of:

1) Perform TSB # 18-023-06 as per attached sheets. Was in 2006-01 -08 for the TSB to be performed but software was unavailable to download. Advised to return.

2) Perform “Emissions Recall F31(Reprogram TCM for Aftermarket Scan Tool)”

3) MIL comes on intermittently which produces codes P299 and P410 to appear.

4) Loud moaning/rattling noise coming from rear and can be heard inside when the vehicle is in park, neutral, or in drive with brakes applied. Noticed play in the isolator where the tailpipe hanger rests in.

With this typed paper I handed him a hard copy of the tsb 18-23-06 for them to follow as a reference, what another dealer did when they discovered codes P299 and P410 which they had to replace the EGR assembly, and even a folder to put all this paperwork in.
The person who was helping me took my to do list and gave everything else back. I asked him was he sure because this information can be helpful and his response was, that's ok I have everything I need. I figured ok.

I just received my vehicle and the invoice stated as such:

A) TRANS SLIPS INTER. W/DRIVING
NPF PERFORMED VEHICLE INSPECTION --NO PROBLEMS

B) RECALL F31
CAUSE: RECALL
18F31182 RECALL F31

C) SES LIGHT COMES ONM W/DRIVING
CAUSE: UPDATE
08194392 REPROGRAM CONTROL MODULE - CHECK AND ADJUST LABEL, AUTHORIZED MODIFICATION -
PROGRAM ECM (B)
17 WS4

D) MOAN RATTLLING NOISE IN REAR AT IDLE OR W/DRIVING
CAUSE: NOISY
11202001 SUPPORT, EXHAUST PIPE - REPLACE SINGLE EXHAUST - ONE (D)
17 WS4
1 52101126AA ISOLATOR
13300400 SKID PLATE REPAIR
17 WS4

I was expecting a new EGR valve, the TSB to be performed, and for them to tell me have a nice day.
I asked the guy, hey what about the TSB and he told me that my vehicle didn't meet the criteria to have the TSB performed. THAT IS WHY I LEFT THE PACKET SO THEY CAN HAVE SOMETHING TO GO BY. THE TSB DOES SAY "IF THE VEHICLE IS IN FOR SERVICE PERFORM THE PREPAIR PROCEDURE." What the hell is going on here people????? If you have any answers PLEASE I am up for anything right now. Oh by the way, when I pulled out of the dealer MY MIL CAME ON, AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

About 2 weeks after I started this thread, another one on the same topic was started and can be seen here:

http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... hp?t=11885

Between these two threads you will see the same problems you have. I have had to fight tooth and nail to get the flashes done "while my vehicle was in for service."

I believe the root of the problem here is that the dealerships are used to seeing TSBs only as solutions to physical symptoms (thousands of TSBs over many years). It appears now that Chrysler (Corporate/DC white collars/whatever) is using the TSB as an undeclared recall and has never informed the dealer service departments.

I got denied time and time again until I got the manager to actually stand there and read the TSB with me, and even then, they were not sure what to think because the stupid reflash TSBs have text in the "Symptom" section of the TSB, but they are not symptoms, but rather results/improvements that occur from the performance of the TSB.

In the end, I actually had to have them ride along and witness the infamous transmission shudder before they would do it, even though it was not required!!!

I do believe the service aspect is why the majority of American car makers are going down the tubes. I have yet to find a trustable service dealer for my CRD here in Indianapolis. Over 14 dealers in the area. Pathetic....

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

Thanks for the reply alljeep. My only question/concern is does the recall supercede the TSB 18-023-06? It seemed as if they did not want to perform the TSB. Now that I think about it the guy was telling me the tech was little bit in a hurry because he had two cars backed up behind him and I'm just wondering if either a) they overlooked this TSB and cared not to perform it or b) just out right did NOT want to perform this TSB. I don't know, I'm just rambling so please excuse my frustration. The thing is when I had the 1st EGR replaced, the same thing happend when I took it to the dealer a yr ago. First they performed TSB 18-007-05, drove it that day and took it right back because the MIL came back on. The next day followed and told me that calls were made to star tech line and was advised to replace egr valve assembly (5166555-AB). Why wasn't it done this time????

Don't know. F31 appears to only reprogram the TCM, which tells me they are only getting half the job done. I'm one of a rare few that actually got the official TSB 18-023-06, then this F31 came out a few weeks later. I've tired to be proactive as I got the TSB 18-009-06 (at about 8,000 miles on my ODO) right when it first came out (no test drive required on that one). I'm curious to see if I get the F31 recall notice since I had 18-023-06 (at 14,000 miles on the ODO) done so quickly..... It's the first 8,000 miles I put on that worries me...

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'05 CRD Sport born on 06/20/05, bought on 9/23/05, L.O.S.T. on 9/27/05 - modding ever since:

Daystar 2.0" Lift, P255/70R16 Revos, Boulder Bars, Reese Front Hitch w/9k Hooks, Poison Spyder Rock Ring, MOPAR Skids/Bug Shield/Roof Rails/Mats, WARN Hitch Shackle(Rear), 10k Hitch Hook(Front), Custom Tilt/Slope Meter, Ammo Box Mod, Rotella T 5W-40.

Everything that has happend today I have had enough. I didn't get a chance to drive my CRD since I got it back from the dealer until I picked up my g/f to get her car that I was using in the meantime. This is the WORST that my jeep has driven. It's so sluggish and bogging like crazy. When should the fuel filter be changed? The shift points between 2-3 comes with a banging noise, but only when it sits for a while. Yes I did have my filters changed with the tsb a while ago. I could say that my dodge 1500 with 275,000 miles is running better than my CRD at this point. AHHHHHH!!!!!

I would have turned right back around and taken the car back, demanded a free loaner, and forced the service advisor to give the tech the TSB paperwork. Part of the problem is that the service advisors don't put exactly what you tell them into the system or ticket...which is what the tech sees when he grabs your car to look at it. These service advisors don't know squat and you need to make sure they are accurately describing your problem in the service ticket before you leave them when you drop off.

Take it back and demand a free loaner since the problem has not been corrected. Also, call customer service and file a complaint.

Good luck.

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06.5 Jetta TDI PKG 2 - Silver/Anth

Last Spring, I reached the point where my CRD was not getting the level of service I had expected. I sent a very blunt (but professional) letter to the owner of the dealership chain. In that letter was a brief summary of my mechanical issues ("I have x,y&z wrong, this is unacceptable for a new vehicle") and the service history followed by a demand statement for performance under warranty. I aslo made it quite clear that I was in regular contact with other CRD owners and know that I'm not a isolated case (ie...I'm tired of the BS). I gave them 10 day to respond with a course of corrective action with the assurance that they are going to get sued should they not fix the problems. Certified mail is a must. That letter was forwarded to DC which resulted in a face to face meeting with DC's District Service Manager and Technical Product Support Rep. at the dealership with the Service Manager. It took some time but was worth it in the end. They understand exactly what I expect and I have a much better understanding of their process to repair my CRD. I know this approach isn't for everyone but it is producing results, even have room to joke a little about the CRD issues with the Service Manager. Just a suggestion.

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2005 Liberty Sport CRD, Lt Khaki, sunroof

Thankful to now be an EX-CRD owner.