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Well I think that once he got stuck - He did the best he could, the failure was lack of preparation before he began -
standard Boy Scout stuff, 'Be Prepared'

http://www.fieldandstream.com/fieldstream/photogallery/0,13355,1225788,00.html

Search and Rescue did a great job to keep going and find the family.

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I saw a similar story on Discovery Channels "I Shouldn't Be Alive". It was a young married couple and their infant sun. They were driving through the mountains in a similar area and it started snowing heavily enough to lose track of the road. By time the snow stopped, they were miles from anything and there was no sign of the road they came in on (since they had been driving in the dark previously).

They did what most people would have done, which is to stay with the vehicle as long as possible, but they soon realized that nobody was looking for them and they weren't anywhere that they could be found. They walked for a day or two in attempt to find anyone that could help, but then the wife and child couldn't keep going. The husband had to make a decision to leave them holed up in a cave with what little supplies they had and continue to look for help. The only difference is that in this case, he managed to find help, was able to tell them where the cave was that his wife and child were in (and had the sense to mark a nearby tree with something brightly colored), and everyone survived, against all odds.

Now I guess the real thing to do to try to mitigate that sort of risk is to make sure somebody knows where you are going and how you are getting there before you leave. That way if you don't show up, they will know to look for you and more importantly WHERE to look for you. Doesn't help if you end up off the road or taking a different route, but it's better than nothing.

So if anyone is interested in a depressing documentary:

L.O.S.T. in the Snow (can I just say that I hate the automatic text replace of "l o s t"?)

The Survivors: James and Jennifer Stolpa
The Dilemma: Could you abandon your wife and baby in a snowstorm?

A U.S. Army private is driving to a family funeral with his wife and 4-month-old son. They get caught in a blizzard, and a simple wrong turn leads them deep into a frozen wilderness where their car gets stuck in a snowdrift. After surviving for days with no provisions they realize that there is little hope of rescue. They decide to abandon their vehicle and walk to find help. But in this unforgiving environment they are soon overcome by exhaustion and frostbite. The young family has to confront the real possibility that they are not going to survive. Should the father say goodbye to his wife and baby and try to make it out alone? Or should they stay together as a family – whatever the cost?
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I guess the infant wasn't bright enough yet to melt the snow so they could drive on it. :twisted: :twisted: :twisted:



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Here in Colorado, a week rarely goes by that there isn't a search for some fool stuck up in the mountains. They went to hike a 14er (term for 14,000+ ft peaks) wearing jeans, no water, no food, no other warm clothes, and no backpack of important things to have. They fail to learn when you should go up and come down and what the weather conditions might be for the day. Then rescuers have to go out and risk their lives to find the fool.

As mentioned above: THINK!!!!!!! before doing. Common sense, as mentioned above is more important than smarts/IQ. Should wisdom and common sense be the same?

How often do you see people rent a big boat and go cruising/sailing out into the wide open ocean with no life vests, no extra food, no knowledge of the weather and the Coast Guard has to risk their lives to save them or you hear about their deaths? Same thing as the mountains. Mother Nature RULES ALL!!! You can get along with her but she will win most of the time if you don't plan ahead and increase your knowledge of her rage.

For hockey fans, this past weekend, a Hall of Famers daughter was swept off a boat in an Atlantic storm. She was not wearing a life vest. She is definitely dead. They hadn't found her in 33 hrs and experts say hypothermia sets in with those water temps at around 36 hrs.

No life vest worn in a storm in the Atlantic..........need I say more.

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I don't think it's a mystery to anyone: there will always be someone stuck on a mountain, falling off a boat, or doing any of the millions of things that people do to get into trouble. Also, there will always be people judging them, some of them with "common sense," whatever that is, and high IQs, or other measures that make them feel self-satisfied. We all know this. We all know that this will continue ad nauseum. This thread was about empathy, not judgement. It's easy to judge someone, to be an armchair quarterback. It's easy to point out someone's mistakes and criticize them. I'm probably just as guilty as anyone else about that. What's harder, though, is to realize that a human being died trying. Doesn't matter in the long run whether he was a fool or whatever else you want to call him. Just remember: Mr. Kim was probably acutely aware that his family's problems were his fault, as he was freezing to death.


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Actually i think the intent of this thread was indeed to point out what happens when you are ill-prepared and make foolish mistakes. Hence the "It could save your life" in the thread title. I don't think arguing about this guy being a hero or fool will save anyone's life, lol. Also I doubt he was thinking anything coherent when he was dying. He was shedding clothes like it was the middle of Summer which is a symptom of hypothermia. Hero or fool, take this as a warning to all who would go unprepared!

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