Recall of Ford 2007 Diesel trucks, Slightly OT

Joe Romas · **Posted:** Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:33 am

We think we've got it bad with our recalls. Ford's new diesel trucks are throwing flames out the tail pipe :lol:

It seems they are having trouble with the partical filters :shock:

That would definetly stop tailgating

Ranger1 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 1137

Is that a bad thing? :-)

allscan · **Posted:** Thu Mar 22, 2007 7:51 am

I wish my CRD threw flames instead of black smoke when I jam on the throttle. Time to rig up some propane injection into the exhaust and a spark plug.

heat · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:05 pm

Actually it's the new 2008 6.4 Powerstrokes.... Our all knowing government thought that particulate filters would be a good idea, you know, kinda like the catalytic converter :roll:

..... Seems the particles collect in there till things are warm enough.... Then they are turned to ash... Guess the trapped particles aren't the only thing being turned to ash....

Ken....

Endurance · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:12 pm

They're called Powerjunk for a reason!

heat · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:20 pm

Let me guess endurance, you're a Cummins or Duramax guy.... Doesn't really matter which, they all look the same in my reaview....

Ken....

Endurance · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 4:48 pm

Actually Im a VW TDI and Mercedes Diesel guy, but if I would have to choose between a Duramax Cummins and Powerjunk I would probably go with Cummins. I dont know, I guess I just like Cummins the most because they have a long experience with building Diesel engines for big applications.

Tinman · **Joined:** Mon Apr 10, 2006 10:45 am **Posts:** 308

I like to call them PowerHopes. My dad hates it when I do that (he's got and '00). The 6.0 is better know as the 6.Oh-No. (Just some good humor. You Ford guys don't throw stones). Actually, there where 3 incidence of this. 2 where caused by leaking injectors and the other a cracked turbo shaft. Both problems lead to fuel in the particulant trap that ignited. One caused a grass fire. The funny thing is Ford's answer is to reflash the ECM so if there is too much heat in the particulant trap it powers down so you can pull to the side of the road to allow for cooling. This is not good for Ford Diesels.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:03 pm

allscan wrote:

I wish my CRD threw flames instead of black smoke when I jam on the throttle. Time to rig up some propane injection into the exhaust and a spark plug.

I suggest ORM & ULSD to get rid of the smoke.

heat · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:06 pm

Just messin with ya Endurance... The reality of it is both the Cummins and Powerstroke are actually the real players... Cummins has made an obvious name for themselves.... The Powerstroke is made by International/Man (Interstar)... Both those companies work in a triad research co-op with Cat.... Man was/is a German company of which Rudolf Diesel was employed when the "modern day" version of the diesel was developed by he and Man.

It was a take you're pick from my point of view... The Duramax is actually a good motor built by Isuzu... It's apparent durability is compliments of the fact that the basic engine has been employed in Japan and Europe for many years... It's a pretty mature engine design at this point...

Honestly Cummins was my second choice, not because of the engine but because of the truck... The Fords are just more stout... I needed a truck to comfortably haul a 5th wheel/truck combination that can tip the scales pretty close to 20,000 lbs.... The Ford 3/4 ton capacities were pretty close to the other two one ton capacities... But most of the time it's my daily driver so I didn't really want a one ton...

Anyway, just like to stir the pot every now and then...

Cheers,

Ken....

Endurance · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 5:11 pm

Yeah being from germany myself I know MAN pretty good. They are supposed to make the best trucks in europe, but as y'all know opinions are like...

TDI4BY · **Joined:** Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:56 pm **Posts:** 644

What is sad is that is is not really Fords problem it is the EPA. the regulation are so tight it sucks....

RFCRD · **Posted:** Fri Mar 23, 2007 9:10 pm

Joe Romas wrote:

We think we've got it bad with our recalls. Ford's new diesel trucks are throwing flames out the tail pipe :lol:

It seems they are having trouble with the partical filters :shock:

That would definetly stop tailgating

Chimney fires are not a good thing. At work, the last 90 transit buses we got have particulate traps (CAT C-9, no EGR, no VGT uses two turbos). We had problems with the PT plugging from day 1. These can not be left to idle more than a few minutes as they will run cold, make excess soot and plug the traps. The solution is they are being re-fitted with a new PT's with a catalytic converter to keep engine & exhaust temps high enough incinerate the soot. The next generation of PT's have fuel injectors & igniters to clean themselves but once it lights for cleaning it has to burn @ 30 min (and engine has to be left running) to complete the cleaning cycle.

Ranger1 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 1137

Several years ago, not too long before the CRD was introduced, I came across a google cached copy of a diesel engine engineering document, discussing various methods of controlling pm and NOx. It seems that by raising combustion temperature on DI diesel engines and optimizing other burn parameters (no egr at all) to maximum burn efficiency, engineers found they could achieve in-cylinder PM reduction to a point where little particulate control was required downstream. Power and fuel efficiency increased as well.

The problem was NOx levels increased due to higher burn temperatures, the same higher burn temperatures that eliminated much of the soot and other pm, created more NOx and wouldn't meet T2B5 NOx requirements. This was before DC/Bosch had SCR with ADBlue, and Honda had downstream plasma exhaust treatment.

I wonder if the resulting extra warranty expense on engine components caused by egr accelerated wear will eventually result in different emissions designs. Designs that would include the elimination of egr, use of in-cylinder PM control, combined with either reactants like Adblue or plasma treatment in the exhaust stream. By raising burn temperatures to handle most of the PM in-cylinder, and adding downstream NOx treatment, it would seem to offer the best of both worlds.

TDI4BY · **Joined:** Sun Apr 02, 2006 11:56 pm **Posts:** 644

http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/wms/08f-seriesexhaustflames.mpg
This is a must see.

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sat Mar 24, 2007 4:56 pm

TDI4BY wrote:

http://www.forddoctorsdts.com/wms/08f-seriesexhaustflames.mpg
This is a must see.

That is frigin AWESOME! Bet that's a good way to keep tailgaiters off your butt!

retmil46 · **Posted:** Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:39 pm

Well, now we have another moniker for FORD -

Found On Road Dead

Fast On Race Day

Fix Or Repair Daily

and, the new one courtesy of the EPA,

Fire Out the Rear Daily :lol:

tjkj2002 · **Posted:** Sat Mar 24, 2007 5:50 pm

retmil46 wrote:

Well, now we have another moniker for FORD -

Found On Road Dead

Fast On Race Day

Fix Or Repair Daily

and, the new one courtesy of the EPA,

Fire Out the Rear Daily :lol:

Well I'm a ford guy but you forgot one,"F&^%ed Over Rebuilt Dodge". Oh and it's First On Race Day :lol:

!

Jeger · **Posted:** Sat Mar 24, 2007 6:03 pm

I would be tempted to leave it like that :twisted:

Nice find.

Ranger1 · **Joined:** Mon Oct 17, 2005 7:40 pm **Posts:** 1137

There's your basic diesel PMAT feature on demo :-)

Particulate Matter Afterburner Technology at work...

No spark plug needed!!!!

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