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Isn’t this thread awesome? We’re all from different facets of life, yet we all understand each other. Let’s face it, we’re Jeep Freaks, Gurus, or whatever you want to call our Jeep fetishes. :shock: Most of us agree that Jeeps were never intended to be about mpg, or highway comfort, nor were Jeeps to be marginalized with other brands, makes, and models. Jeeps are about a lifestyle, a lifestyle that involves ruggedness, adventure, attitude, solitude, independency, hardcore, and absolute fun. 8) Jeeps have the natural tendency to bring people together. Take a look at the picture (post your pics of your rig here) section of this forum. The Liberty looks like a Jeep and has the potential that many Jeep critics have expected. Not to be negative, but I’m not sure that the new 08 Liberty is going to be as generous. Dodge, Chrysler, and Jeep customers, dealerships, and employees can’t wait until Daimler walks away. Trust me, my wife and I got screwed with our poorly designed CRD, but we like Jeep enough to overlook the carelessness and effortless approach of the CRD protocol. I believe, as well as many others who are inside DCX, that the Daimler division is done doing their part. Now it's time for them to move on. Sorry for the ramble, just thought this thread was suitable for such thoughts.

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No, I think you make a valid argument.... I mean if you think about it when the merger took place Chrysler bailed out Mercedes Benz but now they are just walking away from their $40B investment because they never really even tried to make things work.

While the merger gave "us" the 300C & Magnum it also lead to:

1) Compass [It's a nice car but it could be better]
2) Commander
3) Should I mention the Charger styling?
4) Pacifica???

Where once Chrylser was known for cutting edge design (i.e. Viper, Prowler, PT cruiser) they have now been turned into an almost cookie cutter production company under the rule of Stutgart and hopefully this section of time will be soon forgotten.

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I for one, still ain't crazy about the new jk, it's a hummer want to be with a mini van engine. However, it's still a jeep and a good one at that, like moss, someday it may grow on me. As far as a harh ride, most of us are probably use to riding around in wranglers, so the kj rides like a caddy, it sure does compared to my first jeep ride in a flatfender many years ago. Jeeps are ment to be a little different than your run of the mill, thats why thier jeeps. We compermised and fitted the kj with ifs and it's still harsh? Thank goodness, I would hate to think that the ifs totally ruined it, leave some jeepness to it. Next they'll be wanting irs to match the front so it can ride smooth, It won't wheel, but it's all about the ride. "Bull pucky", let it wheel and wheel harshly, it's a jeep after all, not a kia

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No, I think you make a valid argument.... I mean if you think about it when the merger took place Chrysler bailed out Mercedes Benz but now they are just walking away from their $40B investment because they never really even tried to make things work.

While the merger gave "us" the 300C & Magnum it also lead to:

1) Compass [It's a nice car but it could be better]
2) Commander
3) Should I mention the Charger styling?
4) Pacifica???



actually the Pacifica was one of the last vehicles that was mainly all chrysler. and they really aren't that bad of a driver.

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But it was underpowered and looks like one of those dust buster vehicles from the 90's! I still don't know what they were thinking at that moment.

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Don't forget. The Hummvee and H1 are all Independent suspension.

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Samurai? I almost forgot that I used to own one when they first came out in '86. I still kick myself for not getting the last year CJ instead. Young and stupid.
It's nice to know that although rather small, we are pushing around 4000 lb.s in case of the unthinkable. Gotta love jeep...

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jcphoto20 wrote:
"The model’s sold to well manicured urban and suburbanites seduced by the Jeep’s round-eyed headlights and smiling bumper; buyers so smitten by the Liberty’s cuteness that they ignore the harsh ride, heavyweight handling, cramped quarters and horrendous gas mileage."


I confess. My wife is one of these so-called suburbanites that HAD to have a Liberty.

When her 98 Eddie Bauer Explorer got hit and was in the shop, the rental she got was Liberty. After a few days of driving it, she was hooked!

The Ex started having mechanical ills about a year later, and my wife said she wanted a new Liberty. As good consumers, we checked out most of the competition and settled on a new RM Liberty.

Her Lib rides GREAT compared to the Top-of-the-line Explorer she had before! I couldn't stand riding in that thing! Rode worse that my 98 2500 Dodge Ram w/Cummins Turbo-Diesel!

Tell ya what though, when the 1st heavy snow came, I told my wife I'm taking her Lib for a "Test Drive". :wink: :wink:

I took the Lib out and gave it one-helluva thrashing and could NOT get the little turd stuck! From that point forward, I too fell in love with it! BTW, I'm originally from the Pittsburgh area and I KNOW driving very well! :shock:

So yea, it IS a HEAVY little turd and gets the SAME MPG as my BIG 2500 Dodge Ram, but the peace of mind I get from knowing my wife is driving a little HEAVY vehicle is priceless to me.

My only REAL point of contention with her Lib is the interior is like a sardine can! That and the STATIC electricity that gets produced EVERYTIME I slide out of it's cloth covered seats!!!! OUCH !!!! LOL !! :lol:

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All I can say is this: I went to my Jeep dealer to buy some seals, & they had a big display of those wretched bobble head dolls of the 20 somethings & their dog from the Compass ads :?


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Static? Cloth seats? Get leather :lol: I'll bet the wife would love it too.

On Monday, I went to pick up something from a printing store and the lady helped me carry the supplies out to my KJ.

*Note* I just added the Rock Lizard rear bumper and have my MTR's on.

I told her my vehicle was over there and she says, "That cute thing over there?


UGH!

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Static? Cloth seats? Get leather :lol: I'll bet the wife would love it too.

On Monday, I went to pick up something from a printing store and the lady helped me carry the supplies out to my KJ.

*Note* I just added the Rock Lizard rear bumper and have my MTR's on.

I told her my vehicle was over there and she says, "That cute thing over there?


UGH!

What?? Are you kidding? Was she butch...? :lol:

I guess we can expect to hear things like that every once in a while....

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I told her my vehicle was over there and she says, "That cute thing over there?


We all drive Girly Man's Jeep :twisted:

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Tokyojoe wrote:
Static? Cloth seats? Get leather :lol: I'll bet the wife would love it too.

On Monday, I went to pick up something from a printing store and the lady helped me carry the supplies out to my KJ.

*Note* I just added the Rock Lizard rear bumper and have my MTR's on.

I told her my vehicle was over there and she says, "That cute thing over there?


UGH!


She was trying to flirt with you Tokyojoe

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Nope, because her next statement was that her husband drives an SUV but she drives the PT Cruiser.

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Nope, because her next statement was that her husband drives an SUV but she drives the PT Cruiser.

UGH.... :roll:

I hate those things.... :lol:

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