Chrysler is sold

Marlon_JBT · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 3:09 pm

oldnavy wrote:

RedStapler wrote:

Jeep will come out alive. Even if Cerberus crashes n burns Jeep will be plucked from the wreckage by Hyundai, Nissan or someone else.

Its the one brand that Chrysler has that has real value; its too bad that they are diluting it with the Compass softroader.

As CRD owners we have one foot in the Daimler World and one in the Chrysler World from a product support perspective.

The relative handful of people who bought the Crossfire are in the same boat.

Will parts for the 2.8VM be hard(er) to come by?

I'm inclined to pay the $3k for the all inclusive extended warranty and make it their problem.

Lets see there is the LX cars, Magnum, Charger and 300C that is basically a MB, also the Pacificia shares some MB R320 technology.

The 300/Charger/Magnum only share a steering column, few electronic bits and a cheap version of the rear suspension. That is extremely oversimplified, but they do NOT share platforms.

Pacifica shares nothing with the R Class.

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 4:00 pm

Don't base the Gladiator on the Dakota...base it on the already build project Gladiator. The same thing for the Rescue. Put strong ~3.0L V6s for good power to weight ratio and MPG.

I would definitely trade my CRD for a Diesel Rescue...or Keep the KJ CRD and get a DIesel Gladiator!

Jeger · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 4:43 pm

I have not heard a bad word about the Gladiator from anyone that has seen it. I said I would never buy another brand new vehicle again.....but I would probably make an exception for the gladiator, as long as it was a diesel I4 or V6 doesnt matter to me. Hmm I wonder if the "new" owners of Jeep will have any eyes on forums like this? Hello! are you listening!? :lol:

oldnavy · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 6:10 pm

Marlon_JBT wrote:

oldnavy wrote:

RedStapler wrote:

Jeep will come out alive. Even if Cerberus crashes n burns Jeep will be plucked from the wreckage by Hyundai, Nissan or someone else.

Its the one brand that Chrysler has that has real value; its too bad that they are diluting it with the Compass softroader.

As CRD owners we have one foot in the Daimler World and one in the Chrysler World from a product support perspective.

The relative handful of people who bought the Crossfire are in the same boat.

Will parts for the 2.8VM be hard(er) to come by?

I'm inclined to pay the $3k for the all inclusive extended warranty and make it their problem.

Lets see there is the LX cars, Magnum, Charger and 300C that is basically a MB, also the Pacificia shares some MB R320 technology.

The 300/Charger/Magnum only share a steering column, few electronic bits and a cheap version of the rear suspension. That is extremely oversimplified, but they do NOT share platforms.

Pacifica shares nothing with the R Class.

You are quite saddly mistaken and this has been proven out on the LX forums, the Pacifica I will not argue about as I have not really research it. The term platform or pan is I admit not really a MB, but a copy and the front is S class suapension and rear is E class, couple of members of LX forum have switched out Chrysler iron for MB alumium parts, the trannys are MB W5A with big MB symblems, the CC, window wipers, turn signals are direct MB units, MDS was brought over from MB, the seats are direct off the shelf MB E class, MB STAR system was used for diagonistic's, brakes are MB copys also. All this info really upset some die hard Chrysler folks, and Chrysler did a campain for a short while to deny this use of MB technology. Made for a lot of hard feelings at MB and has been a sore spot for some time.

Marlon_JBT · **Posted:** Tue May 15, 2007 11:42 pm

oldnavy wrote:

Marlon_JBT wrote:

oldnavy wrote:

RedStapler wrote:

Jeep will come out alive. Even if Cerberus crashes n burns Jeep will be plucked from the wreckage by Hyundai, Nissan or someone else.

Its the one brand that Chrysler has that has real value; its too bad that they are diluting it with the Compass softroader.

As CRD owners we have one foot in the Daimler World and one in the Chrysler World from a product support perspective.

The relative handful of people who bought the Crossfire are in the same boat.

Will parts for the 2.8VM be hard(er) to come by?

I'm inclined to pay the $3k for the all inclusive extended warranty and make it their problem.

Lets see there is the LX cars, Magnum, Charger and 300C that is basically a MB, also the Pacificia shares some MB R320 technology.

The 300/Charger/Magnum only share a steering column, few electronic bits and a cheap version of the rear suspension. That is extremely oversimplified, but they do NOT share platforms.

Pacifica shares nothing with the R Class.

You are quite saddly mistaken and this has been proven out on the LX forums, the Pacifica I will not argue about as I have not really research it. The term platform or pan is I admit not really a MB, but a copy and the front is S class suapension and rear is E class, couple of members of LX forum have switched out Chrysler iron for MB alumium parts, the trannys are MB W5A with big MB symblems, the CC, window wipers, turn signals are direct MB units, MDS was brought over from MB, the seats are direct off the shelf MB E class, MB STAR system was used for diagonistic's, brakes are MB copys also. All this info really upset some die hard Chrysler folks, and Chrysler did a campain for a short while to deny this use of MB technology. Made for a lot of hard feelings at MB and has been a sore spot for some time.

A pan has nothing, and absolutely nothing to do with a platform. I never said they do not share parts, but they still do not share a platform. Engines/Transmissions/Suspensions do not determine a platform either.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2007 12:00 am

The platform is a copy of the previous S class platform of 120" in reality, they did just did som mix and matching. I don't care what you think the LX cars are, but I know they just happen to be a copy of last gen MB with a cheap stupid MOPAR body.

offroadsubaru · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2007 9:26 am

This is per Wikipedia so it is debatable -- but here's a list of LX stuff that came off MBs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_LX_Platform

"The LX platform is Chrysler's new full-size rear wheel drive automobile platform for the mid part of the 2000s. The LX was developed in America using components borrowed from the Mercedes-Benz W220 S-class control arm front suspension, Mercedes-Benz W210 E-Class the 5-link rear suspension, the W5a580K 5-speed automatic, the rear differential, and the ESP system. The LX cars are built at Brampton Assembly in Brampton, Ontario, Canada. The European variant and all RHD models are built in Graz, Austria by Magna Steyr, they go by the platform designation of LE.

Vehicles using the LX platform include:

* 2005– Chrysler 300 sedan, station wagon (LE Only)
* 2005– Dodge Magnum station wagon
* 2006– Dodge Charger sedan

Concept vehicles using this platform include:

* Chrysler Imperial sedan
* Chrysler Nassau sedan"

Oh -- I noticed that Magna Steyr builds them in Europe. I wish that Magna had been the suitor to win the hand of Chrysler.

Marlon_JBT · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2007 10:09 am

offroadsubaru wrote:

This is per Wikipedia so it is debatable -- but here's a list of LX stuff that came off MBs.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_LX_Platform

"The LX platform is Chrysler's new full-size rear wheel drive automobile platform for the mid part of the 2000s. The LX was developed in America using components borrowed from the Mercedes-Benz W220 S-class control arm front suspension, Mercedes-Benz W210 E-Class the 5-link rear suspension, the W5a580K 5-speed automatic, the rear differential, and the ESP system. The LX cars are built at Brampton Assembly in Brampton, Ontario, Canada. The European variant and all RHD models are built in Graz, Austria by Magna Steyr, they go by the platform designation of LE.

Vehicles using the LX platform include:

* 2005– Chrysler 300 sedan, station wagon (LE Only)
* 2005– Dodge Magnum station wagon
* 2006– Dodge Charger sedan

Concept vehicles using this platform include:

* Chrysler Imperial sedan
* Chrysler Nassau sedan"

Oh -- I noticed that Magna Steyr builds them in Europe. I wish that Magna had been the suitor to win the hand of Chrysler.

That's more like it. Wheelbase doesn't determine a platform either. The two cars are closely related with components, no lie there, but it is not an MB with a "cheap Mopar" body. It is cheap Mopar through and through.

http://www.allpar.com/ed/platforms.html - A little education on platforms.

I too wish Magna could have taken control of Chrysler, but Magna just didn't have enough cash monies.

oldnavy · **Posted:** Wed May 16, 2007 10:34 am

ALLPAR is a major disifo center with a lot of people who argued up & down that the LX cars were not using MB part or designs and were very vocal about it.

However when you copy something that close from another section of the company, saying it's not a copy is just sticking your head in the sand. Granted Chrysler did cheapen the thing some what, but the did some good work putting it all together and it made a really great car for a heck of a lot less then a MB E Class.

danoid · **Posted:** Sun May 20, 2007 9:23 pm

offroadsubaru wrote:

Oh -- I noticed that Magna Steyr builds them in Europe. I wish that Magna had been the suitor to win the hand of Chrysler.

And I'm darn glad they didn't. I know people who went through the New Venture Gear sale to Magna Powertrain. It wasn't pretty.

I'm happy to be rid of the vampiric Germans. Chrysler has been footing the bill for Mercedes the last ten years, I just hope we (I) can survive the next ten...

danoid · **Posted:** Sun May 20, 2007 9:27 pm

oldnavy wrote:

However when you copy something that close from another section of the company, saying it's not a copy is just sticking your head in the sand. Granted Chrysler did cheapen the thing some what, but the did some good work putting it all together and it made a really great car for a heck of a lot less then a MB E Class.

Any five year old can make an $80k car. Just pout and say, "I want that!"

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