So I was on a road trip when I went into limp mode. The trusty code reader reads P93 (major fuel leak). I hit the pump a few times and fuel starts pouring out of the fuel/water seperator I clear the code, crank it a few times, and it runs fine.

A dealer checks it out, anounces air in the lines, and bleeds the system. AOK

A few days later I pull out of the driveway and she dies. Again with the codes so I prime the pump and begin to bleed the system. Took about twenty minutes to get it started and when I back into the driveway I notice more diesel on the street than a supertanker can carry.

Roadside assistance tows it away while I clean up the fuel with a bunch of newborn kittens. Hey, the tow truck driver said a litter of cats or something like that.

It spent the day at the dealer and they have no idea what is wrong. I suggested just replacing the head, filter, and seperator but they want to stare at it some more.


Any advice on what is wrong

P.S. What am I supposed to do with all these kittens?

Most likely the plug for the fuel heater has melted. Pull the plug off and then hit the primer a few times The good news is they come with a new filter

Don't keep the cats, they stink like #2 diesel

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Atlantic Blue 06 CRD Limited (his)
Joined by a 2000 XJ Classic (hers)

Send the kittens to Valdez, AK c/o Exxon, they know how to clean them.

If it was leaking that much fuel I would think you could see the general area that it was coming from. Was it streaming out while being towed away? If not then I would guess that it happened while cranking it and it was happening on the high side of the pump. It also seems tha if it had been a slow, all night leak you would have smelled it as soon as you walked up to it, not noticed it after trying all the starting. The other place to consider might be the WIF at the bottom of the filter. Have you ever changed the filter?

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Dave

'06 CRD Limited, Lt. Khaki, MOPAR Slush Mats/Skids, DrawTite Front Hitch, Mag Lite, Yakima Bars, Thule Bike Rack, Fumoto, ORM, 245/70 Revo 2

Wish list: Lift, Boulder Bars, Something Bigger in the Front and Back, More Lights

Whats wrong?

Idiot dealer. That would be my guess. I have little mechanical knowlege, but given the instructions in the shop manual (which I have read) and the appropriate tools (like eyes and a nose-- oh hey there is a liquid coming out of this hose. Does it smell like diesel. Yes! We have a winner.)--- even I can find a major fuel system leak. So if they can't, tow it elsewhere.

Kittens?

Feed them to some undocumented workers. Those poor people are hungry and kittens taste like chicken!

More like Bald Eagle!

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2005 sport crd-SOLD No regrets

I think that would be a good one to report to the NHTSA...

http://www.lostjeeps.com/forum/phpBB3/vie ... hp?t=21971

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06 CRD Sport
Built 5/11/06
Jeep Green
Rocklizard diff cover
V6 Airbox

and at this point in the thread, probably the ASPCA too...http://www.aspca.org

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2005 Silver CRD Limited
245/75R16 GoodYear Duratracs
Fumoto drain | ProVent CCV Filter
Stanadyne FM100 filter | Cummins fuel pump
GDE Eco | SEGR | BoulderBars | FrankenLift | Frankenskids

I wonder if this is BLake's CRD... he sold it in VA and, as I recall, it had major fuel issues.

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2006 CRD Limited
V6 Air Filter Box Mod with Amsoil EaA-201 Air Filter
Mann Provent CCV Filter
Magnaflow Muffler
Mopar Skids
Mobil 1 5W40
Fumoto Oil Drain Valve
Amsoil Throughout

I have no knowledge of fuel problems at the time of sale. The dealer replaced every part from the pickup tube to the injectors. Should be no problems with it

The dealer having no idea of what is wrong sounds familiar.

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2006 Liberty CRD-SOLD
Dynomax 2.5 exhaust

I am glad I no longer have to put up with a poorly engineered vehicle that has few tech's properly trained to service the rig. For that same reason I would not buy a Jeep GC with the MB V6 CDI because of so few dealers with trained techs to serviced the car, and now with Chrysler & MB going their seperate ways the possibility of being left out in the cold like the Liberty CRD was done with the VM engine.

Bare in mind here that I was able to solve or have someone here come up with solution for the small fixes, but what if something major happened. Also we are not off roaders or campers, and I don't hunt or fish anymore, this area have very small amount of snow fall a year. If the ocassion does arise with a big sow, it is usually gone in a 2 or 3 days and often gone in a day. So why did we have to have a SUV for? Wife wanted to sit up high. By the time we had the Jeep 3 or 4 months wife was wishing we had kept her Jetta TDI with its 34-36 MPG's in city and 42-44 MPG on the highway.

I sure hope this Liberty CRD does not become a large stone around everyones neck about to drown them like I think it will be, or at least for those w/o the skills to keep it running. There are many guys here that don't have the skill to own this vehicle as far as I am concerned and they should get rid of the vehicle. I decided at 62 and with bad arthritis I could not keep this vehicle running much longer and if something were to happen to me what would the wife do with all these problems this vehicle has. So now I have a 91 MB diesel for tinkering with some, and if something happens to me the wife has a like new problem free MB sedan paid for and she can do what she wants with the 91 MB.

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

You do know it's still be made, and still being sold...just not in the US? It's not like Chrysler just dropped the VM Motori powerplant. They are widely used in Europe.

It's a global village friends. It's so easy to communicate with people overseas via the internet, that they might as well be next door. Parts, knowledge, etc....all available at the click of a mouse.

Seems to me that some people are having issues, but not the majority. Some are implementing solutions that, in my humble opinion, aren't needed. Like replacing the fuel filter with the CAT unit. Sure, it's a better filter, but the stock one seems to work fine for me and the scores of other Liberty/Cherokee owners all over the world. The ORM mod is a good thing, as is the EHM/Provent. Other than that, just leave the dang thing alone and drive it. When the POS torque converter craps out, replace it with the Suncoast unit. You know it's coming, so as Killer Beaz would say, "Save up!".

I know MB makes great cars, but I have seen lots of them in the shop. There is a shop near here called Wursters Foreign Car Repair. They make a FINE living working on MB cars. Drive by there any day and take a look at SCADS of Mercedes sitting waiting to be repaired. Then take a look at the repair cost for those cars. They don't list the prices in dollars, but in "arms and legs". I think I'd rather pay for 10 $100 repairs than one $1000 repair. Sure, the money is the same, but it's a cashflow issue. I don't happen to have $1000 laying around, but I could swing $100 every so often.

I bought my CRD for a number of reasons.

1) It tows my trailer with ease
2) It's comfortable
3) It was the most affordable diesel I could find...even more so than a Jetta or Passat
4) 4x4 is a plus. I like to venture down muddy roads every now and then.
5) Fuel mileage is EXCELLENT for a 4x4 SUV that tows 5000lbs
6) Nothing out there can match the towing performance and fuel mileage of the CRD. Not one at any price by any manfacturer.

I think the little CRD is a diamond in the rough. It needs a little polishing, but once you do...it shines. Just a great vehicle. If you don't want to put the time in to perfect the CRD, or you've got enough money to drop on a Mercedes, big diesel pickup, Grand Cherokee, or Toureg...then the CRD isn't for you. Doesn't make it a POS that's going to fall apart. Just means it doesn't meet your needs.

If I had the income to afford what I really wanted, I'd be driving a big Cummins Dodge. Sadly, the one I'd want specs out to over $56,000....a far cry from the $19,000 I paid for the CRD. Heck...I could buy a second (and almost a third) CRD and have three of them for what the Dodge would cost me.

The sky is not falling folks. These are fine little vehicles. Just do your maintenance, and drive the holy pee out of them. It's a tool...use it as such and when it's all used up...go buy another.

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Chad Hargis
Nashville, TN
2008 Grand Cherokee CRD
2005 Liberty CRD *SOLD*

Amen Brother

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2005 CRD "Ol' Blue"
Red Ryder carbine-action, two hundred shot range model air rifle with a compass in the stock and this thing which tells time.
My build page- RL Komodo Rear and TJM Front Bumper, armored, lifted, JBA Steel D30, 4.10s and ARB air lockers.

Aah the old global village routine, I got news for you it is a long way to Italy from here. What goood does it do you if you have to import things through a third party and have no tech here that hae the skills, training and parts support, unless yoou are a diesel tech and skilled tranny tech. I would be willing to bet there is not 100 out of the 11,000 or 12,000 that bought these have thosw skills and tools.

Yes I will agree the CRD is a diamond in the rough and if I were 20 or 30 years younger I stick with the CRD as I have those skills, but these days I no longer have ability to do what I used to do on cars. There are some people here from their postings that should not even raise the hood to check the oil, let alone change it or do some of these mods without proper supervision to start with as had when I was starting to learn how to take care of my cars years ago. Those same people that are just learning need someone by their side for a few years to help them along, until then a vehicle that is very reliable and not a tinker vehicle, as I like to call them these days, like the CRD Jeep. I realize this Jeep had/has the possibility to be a pretty great vehicle for the money, but VM/Jeep took too many short cuts and provided owners with a constent problem, and if you are not a mechanical type of person you don't really need to own this car in my opinion, unless you have deep pockets once your warranty is expirred. For the same reason (deep pockets) I got the MB dealership to throw in a "as long as I own the car no deductible power train warranty", but the car is beyond my ability to service so it is a cheap price ($600) for piece of mind.

I want to say here I am not trying to hurt anyones feeling and that one has start to learn somewhere how to take care of thier vehicle, I am just saying that this is in my opinion the WRONG vehicle for learning to do basic upkeep. [/b]

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91 MB 300D 2.5L Turbo. Her's

05 MB E320 CDI. Mine

The tranny is a standard tranny in use in lots of Dodge Ram pickups. I bet I could throw a hand full of rocks and hit 3 bubbas here in Nashville that could repair that tranny blindfolded and drunk.

As for the engine...well...it's an engine. A diesel engine, yes, but heck, diesels have been around for years. It's not rocket science. Find a diesel mechanic (lots of them around here) and tell them to fix it. I don't know of anyone having issues with the engine, so it's safe to assume it's pretty bulletproof.

I know you're not out to hurt anyone's feelings. On the contrary, you are trying to help. You've done a whole lot more for the folks here than I have.

I'm just starting to get rubbed the wrong way by all of the "chicken little" sky is falling posts lately. A fuel leak doesn't make it a bad vehicle. A bad torque converter doesn't make it a bad vehicle. A bad fuel pump doesn't make it a bad vehicle. It makes it a machine. One that can be fixed. With the number of these being sold globally, the aftermarket will respond to fix the warts and we'll have a unique vehicle that is solid and reliable. Just gotta polish the diamond.

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Chad Hargis
Nashville, TN
2008 Grand Cherokee CRD
2005 Liberty CRD *SOLD*

I see what you are trying to say oldnavy. People that plan on keeping their CRD for the long run should be ready willing and able to work on it themselves with little factory or aftermarket support. It will be much like owning a classic car that they dont make parts for anymore, except with lots more electronic gizmo's.

But the sky is not falling, parts will be available even if they are expensive, and an ocean away. Plus I still have hopes for diesels to make a come back in the states.

Although I feel pretty comfortable to fix this bugger myself, It is always helpful to have some experienced folks to fall back on. So stick around a bit oldnavy. and the rest of the crew as well.

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06 CRD Sport
Built 5/11/06
Jeep Green
Rocklizard diff cover
V6 Airbox

I will try to respond to multiple posts here:

So the dealer is just going to replace the head unit, filter etc and there even going to throw in an a/c blower motor. They are very service oriented and have handled the recalls quickly. I even get a freee rental whenever its in for service.

The fuel was coming out of the hole on the side of the water sensor that screws into the bottom of the fuel filter. They just don't know why it was doing this.

This has been the only problem I have had with the truck in a year.

The parts thing being an ocean away is exactly why we are taking the Stang to San Diego instead of the Jeep. Cost for fuel will be about the same. I just don't want to spoil the trip if something goes south.

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2006 Sport CRD

Could the Aztecs have known, that in 2012 after a 4 year experiment, our country would cease to exist?

Ummm, are you talking about the drain hole built into the WIF sensor?

There's a rubber gasket on the WIF sensor that should be replaced when the filter is changed.

I don't really want to believe they were THAT clueless, but ask them if they tried replacing the gasket.

IMHO, the WIF sensor/drain fitting is just like that blasted bleed screw on the filter head - made to be used once in a blue moon, not designed for repeated use.

With repeated cycling and tightening, I could see how the gasket and/or the plastic threads on the sensor and in the filter could loosen up to the point that it would start leaking.

If it's just the WIF sensor leaking, I'd say at the most you'd need a new filter, WIF sensor, and gasket. But let me guess - to get the WIF sensor, DC wants you to order a whole new filter assembly.

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Mitchell Oates
'87 MB 300D Diamond Blue Metallic
'87 MB 300D - R.I.P. 12/08
'05 Sport CRD Stone White
Provent CCV Filter/AT2525 Muffler
Stanadyne 30 u/Cat 2 u Fuel Filters
Fumoto Drain/Fleetguard LF3487 Oil filter
V6 Airbox/Amsoil EAA Air Filter
Suncoast TC/Shift Kit/Aux Cooler
Kennedy Lift Pump/Return Fuel Cooler

I would ask to keep the old one, there is nothing more wrong with it than the new one you will be getting. Tell them its a hobby of yours, keeping old vehicle parts

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It may be that your only purpose in life is to serve as a warning to others.

06 CRD Sport
Built 5/11/06
Jeep Green
Rocklizard diff cover
V6 Airbox

Having owned six VW diesels that were road worthy plus the other junkers that were parted out, I can remember a lot of problems that were worked out over time with them. One was the lousy static timing method that would allow one engine to perform well and the one next poorly. Setting the injectors evenly with a pop tester then dynamic timing the pump with a Lumi probe hooked up to a timing light solved the problem. These tools were like the Pistol Sam Colt developed, "The Great Equalizer", I could make any mechanically sound VW Diesel run well.
With the Liberty CRD we have an engine that is only one half step behind the latest diesel technology (Sprinter has us beat). Yes, the bean counters who are want- abe accounts and accountants with miss applied priorities, have done their work and cut some corners. But, in time the replacement parts from DC, Bosch, and the after market will obsolete out these bean counter induced errors. Some of these errors will be corrected through software fixes in the engines and transmissions. Most of the mature over the road heavy duty trucks have had their appointment with the laptop to upgrade their ECM parameters and are running much better now.
Since we live in a country where we still have some freedom to take risk and develop new tricks and tools as do some of our distant cousins across the pond. The cable and software will be developed so we can go in and tweak our engines and transmissions to our hearts content. I have a Vag Com cable for my Wife's TDI and can't even think of doing major engine work or timing belt replacement with out it. Have I tweaked her TDI, of course I have. I am waiting for my equivalent software and cable for my CRD and like the 6000+ page manual on CD, I will scratch up the cash and buy one for my laptop. When some one finds this creation, please post it.

Steve