those with 4 full time

_UnLiMiTeD_ · **Posted:** Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:15 pm

I got a question for those of you with 4 full time and have used it before. Tonight we got some pretty heavy rain so when i went to go pick up my gf, i used the 4 full time. I noticed it didnt drive as smooth as it does when i run in 2wd. Now this is the first 4wd car i have ever owned and my family as ever owned. So i am not sure if this is normal or not.

Any help would be appreciated

hyedipin · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 10:20 am **Posts:** 1667

What do you classify as driving smooth? If you are talking about heavier and noisier, yes, otherwise there shouldn't be much of a difference, I love driving in 4x4 FT. Only if there wasn't the dreaded drivetrain slack in the rear.. that, I hate.

_UnLiMiTeD_ · **Posted:** Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:38 pm

yea its a bit noiser, right around 2000rpm you can hear it. And i can feel it more also, very slight vibration right at 2000rpm also.

Jeepjeepster · **Posted:** Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:42 pm

normal

ryno · **Posted:** Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:46 pm

I use full-time 4WD all the time. In fact, I barely ever use part-time unless I'm driving in really deep snow. Any 4WD mode does seem to have a different feel to it, but it's something you'll eventually get used to. Full-time can be used on dry pavement so there's really no way you can hurt it. I've found that all my 4WD modes engage better if I give the lever a nice, firm tug. Sometimes it feels as if you're in between two modes and you hear lots of horrible grinding noises and there's virtually no engine power going to the wheels. In that case, shove it back into 2WD and start over. I always shift the transmission into reverse and then back into drive after engaging or disengaging 4WD just to ensure that everything is lined up properly.

_UnLiMiTeD_ · **Posted:** Sun Sep 30, 2007 10:55 pm

no its nothing terrible or anything, this is jsut the first time i have ever drove with 4 full time on pavement at normal driving speeds lol. First time i have ever driven a 4wd vehicle, a guess me being a noob was expecting not to feel any difference just grip better in the rain lol.

hyedipin · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 10:20 am **Posts:** 1667

When we first drove it, when I pulled it for the first time, My wife said "hey, did something lower the jeep closer to the ground?"

I got used to it, I only tell the difference when I am taking sharp fast turns and when it doesn't slip and slide.. I first thing "cool, tires don't slip" then realize "aahhh, it is in FT"

_UnLiMiTeD_ · **Posted:** Sun Sep 30, 2007 11:36 pm

lol yea i was curious so when i was in a left hand turn lane ready to turn in the down pouring rain, i had it in 4FT and floored it and it stuck like glue, was a cool feeling, especially when im watching all these other cars slide all over the place.

hyedipin · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 10:20 am **Posts:** 1667

Just don't rely on it too much, it isn't a magic wand, you know.

_UnLiMiTeD_ · **Posted:** Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:42 am

no but it is a magic lever :wink:

spencevans · **Posted:** Mon Oct 01, 2007 2:47 am

The fulltime mode on the Liberty is unrefined in my opinion. I always hated to drive it in fulltime because it shifted rough, the steering just didn't feel right and the torque steer was terrible, so I know what you're talking about UNLIMITED. The only thing I have to compare the libby against are the FJ 80 landcruisers I have owned and the libby's fulltime system is waaaayyyy behind the times. I only put it in fulltime when I had to.

sleeve84028 · **Posted:** Mon Oct 01, 2007 7:28 am

I've never had any type of torque steer problems in Full time. I don't think I've ever had any problems with Full Time now that I think about it some more. I mean you're only talking about 200+ pound feet of torque that is split between the front and rear section of the Jeep to some varying degree.

The steering used to feel heavy for me when it was in Full Time. Now, I don't even notice the difference between 2wd and FT.

Never had a problem with the transmission shifting. It's always been clunky in every mode... Not worth complaining about honestly. As long as it continues to get me to and from work. Or to and from the boat launch I could care less about the unrefindness of it all.

FastTRX · **Posted:** Mon Oct 01, 2007 10:02 am

hyedipin wrote:

Just don't rely on it too much, it isn't a magic wand, you know.

Thats some good advice. I see TOO many people around my parts that rely on their 4WD TOO much and end up in the ditch or off the road BURIED! 4WD and cruise control is a BAD idea....

hyedipin · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 10:20 am **Posts:** 1667

sleeve84028 wrote:

I've never had any type of torque steer problems in Full time. I don't think I've ever had any problems with Full Time now that I think about it some more. I mean you're only talking about 200+ pound feet of torque that is split between the front and rear section of the Jeep to some varying degree.

The steering used to feel heavy for me when it was in Full Time. Now, I don't even notice the difference between 2wd and FT.

Never had a problem with the transmission shifting. It's always been clunky in every mode... Not worth complaining about honestly. As long as it continues to get me to and from work. Or to and from the boat launch I could care less about the unrefindness of it all.

Looks like you got one of the better batch.. If you tell me you've got no backlash/drivetrain slack, then I am not gonna believe ya.

snowsport · **Joined:** Tue Oct 18, 2005 11:52 pm **Posts:** 1211

I believe him, though. The full-time mode works great in my KJ. I use it, well, full time in winter and this is its fifth winter coming up. Sure, you do notice it when you're steering, but its not difficult to control or anything. I hardly ever use 4 part time, in fact I've used it maybe 5 times.

DarbyWalters · **Posted:** Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:04 am

Just make sure you are in 4WD Full Time and not 4WD Part Time...the dash light should be green (meaning it can travel on any surface)...if the dash light is amber (meaning use it in loose situations offroad) you are in 4WD Part Time. I just mention this because the names are not completely transparent to some.

I use 4WD Full Time anytime it is raining and have not noticed any "huge" difference in steering. Now in my 2002 with a DTT up front, the steering got very heavy. The Detroit TruTrac made it so you need to keep both hands on the road in 4WD Full Time. In 2WD you wouldn't notice a thing. With the 2006 CRD you need the Full Time mode to keep the wheelspin to a minimum...

skywarn · **Posted:** Mon Oct 01, 2007 11:20 am

This very well could be from a lack of use... at least once a month drive in 4 full for at least 15-20 miles.

sleeve84028 · **Posted:** Mon Oct 01, 2007 12:00 pm

hyedipin wrote:

Looks like you got one of the better batch.. If you tell me you've got no backlash/drivetrain slack, then I am not gonna believe ya.

There's slack in the drivetrain.. I just don't complain about it.

hyedipin · **Joined:** Thu May 11, 2006 10:20 am **Posts:** 1667

sleeve84028 wrote:

hyedipin wrote:

Looks like you got one of the better batch.. If you tell me you've got no backlash/drivetrain slack, then I am not gonna believe ya.

There's slack in the drivetrain.. I just don't complain about it.

OK.
it's my biggest pet peeve, darn slack.

sleeve84028 · **Posted:** Mon Oct 01, 2007 1:11 pm

with or without that slack, the full time system is really handy when you need to get around town and the weather is bad.

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